BARBELITH underground
 

Subcultural engagement for the 21st Century...
Barbelith is a new kind of community (find out more)...
You can login or register.


Runes: making and using a set.

 
  

Page: 1(2)34

 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
09:44 / 15.08.05
One week in.

Well, this has been a rather different experience than what I might have expected. (Not sure what I actually did expect, to be honest.)

For one thing, maintaining a dawn-to-dusk fast has been harder than I anticipated--there's a sort of cumulative effect, gradually feeling more and more cotton-woolish and out of sorts as the days progress.

There's also been an almost complete lack of contact while this has been going on. For the month before, I was having all kinds of odd things happen--dreams, trance states that seemed to occur spontaneously and would lead into very vivid waking dreams in which I might interact with various spirits or one or more of the Gods, strong heat/cold sensations, ect. This week has been almost completely silent in that regard, something I've found rather discouraging.

The physical runes themselves are very different creatures than I'd imagined. Partly due to the nature of the wood I've chosen, and partly due to where I am skillswise (right at the back of the class with those kids who sniff glue at break), I have not ended up with a neat set of near-identical lots with the runes neatly carved in their smooth faces. Instead, I've come away with a mixed bag of sizes, shapes and thicknesses. Early on, I decided that fighting this would be pointless, and while I've tried to get them approximately the same in weight I've let the wood guide me. Uruz ended up carved around a raised oblong in the middle of the lot, so that it is in 3 dimensions; Raidho I cut as a slice from a narrow branch, digging out the central pith so that the rune has ended up with a hole through it, an "eye" through the triangular "head" of the rune. This may make the set unsuitable for divination, but might be a good thing when it comes to ritual and trancework using the runes as a focus.

Only two days left to go.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
12:25 / 18.08.05
Well, that's that job jobbed.

The finished set.
 
 
Quantum
14:36 / 18.08.05
w00t! Those are sexy, and no bloodstains from the woodworking evident! What's that tri-triangle necklace in the middle? it's very cool.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
14:49 / 18.08.05
That? That is the small print part of the deal I made. It's called a valknut.
 
 
Sekhmet
16:20 / 18.08.05
No bloodstains, you say? Look closer.

They are beautiful, Mordant.


I think I'll be making a set come Yuletide, probably of ash wood. I have an ash tree in my back yard, even.
 
 
Bard: One-Man Humaton Hoedown
00:22 / 19.08.05
I second that: They're gorgeous.

Very neat stuff.

Have you noticed a return in contact since you made them? Perhaps the period of silence was out of respect for your effort, or to see if you could "go it alone", so to speak? One of those divine test sort've deals.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
05:34 / 19.08.05
Hehe. Yeah, they're back all right. Not that they ever went anywhere. Divine Test sounds a bit poncey, but I think that's about the size of it: Give me a job to do, then bugger off and see if I'll still do it without pokeage.

Bastiches.
 
 
Bard: One-Man Humaton Hoedown
23:35 / 19.08.05
Mordant, to the untrained eye of mere mortals there are few things we can say that DON'T sound poncey.
 
 
Bard: One-Man Humaton Hoedown
23:36 / 19.08.05
...errr...to clarify the above...that WAS a really bad joke.

But its good to hear that things are moving back along. Have you tried using the runes yet?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
12:13 / 20.08.05
I haven't, as it goes. I feel oddly intimidated by them for some reason, like they're "bigger" than I am.
 
 
Fritz K Driftwood
18:13 / 20.08.05
WOW! What a great set!

Now for the parade of questions:
-Did you carve them or burn them or both?
-Care & feeding - are you going to laquer them somehow, oil them or leave them "rustic" (sans any sort of finish)?
-Do you have a special container or bag that you will keep them in, or will you display them?
-How did the fasting work out overall? If you had to do it again, would you?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
22:32 / 20.08.05
I carved them with my ritual dagger. Then I coloured them afterwards.

I plan to rub them with beeswax.

At the moment I have them wrapped up in a black silk scarf. I want to get a box for them though.

The dawn-to-dusk fasting wasn't easy, but I would do it again. It was an effective way to mark out the time period as being different, special; also, being slightly out of it seemed to make the work more meaningful. Partly it was hard because I have not fasted in some time. If I did it more regularly, it wouldn't have been so much of an issue.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
19:47 / 25.08.05
Getting back to the topic of materials, I'm interested to note that Sekhmet's runes, which she said were unhelpful in divination but seemed to enhance her altar, are made from hematite. I associate hematite (a mineral with a high iron content that gives it its attractive metallic sheen) with workings to "draw" something to the magician, as an attractive force. This would chime with the use of a rune set as a "booster ring."
 
 
Sekhmet
20:26 / 25.08.05
That would make sense, yes.

Interesting take; I think I've mostly seen hematite touted as a healing stone, and occasionally as a curse-repeller...
 
 
Bard: One-Man Humaton Hoedown
20:23 / 26.08.05
I've had similar experiences with hematite as a booster/focus. There are a few pieces in the "fetish" bundle that I carry in my watchpocket (really a change purse filled with stones, herbs, sticks, and coins that have symbolic meaning to me...recenlty a fifty pence piece washed in the spring at Bath).

I seem to recall reading in Cunningham that hematite was associated with healing, something to do with the fact that it doesn't scratch, or scratches don't stay, or something like that. I've found it to be decently effective.

Sekhmet, if I might ask, how did you fashion your runes from hematite? Just painted them on pieces of the stone?
 
 
cusm
01:21 / 07.09.05
When I made mine, it had to be blood, and I had to cut it out of the heel of my hand rather than do something clever with a needle. The Old Man wanted it that way. Had to show I had the mettle for it, I guess. Blood mixed with semen and an assortment of herbs and things that made sense at the time. That's how it done the Old Way, or so I'm guided, and that's what I was to do with it. That remains my most intimate and powerful personal ritual to date. Lost my favorite knife to the spear I had to make last minute, too. And there are still parts of it I just can't talk about. But I spent a good bit of time among the most real communion with dieties I've ever experienced.

I deviated from tradition a bit though, and used snowflake obsidian for the stones. Its a stone that resonates well with me, so that's what it became of. Consequently, they have a most particular feel to them, and particular handling instructions. Like, never to be touched by sunlight (well, I did blood them at the height of a lunar eclipse...) nor touched by anyone but me (which also makes sense seeing as how obsidian absorbes energy so). And oaths to ettiquite in their use as well, which I was perfectly willing to make. But it all went well.

Consequently, I feel any personal set should be blooded properly, not just painted, if its to be properly empowered. I also think for times of greatly important divination, a set cut from fruit tree, blooded, and then used only once is the way to go. But that's my one stickle to tradition there, and I've not yet found anything important enough to merit that level of attention.

Otherwise, a useful technique to add I used in learning them was to meditate on one of the runes, bring to mind all the meanings of it at once, see the rune burning before me, then cast it like a sigil and banish. I did this with each rune over three nights, one aette per night, and imprinted the lot in one go. After casting an entire aette, I'd pass the heck out from the effort, but it did the trick. I later went over them again 2 more times, for a total of 9 nights in all, adding in details from different sources to round my understanding out. In retrospect, casting a single rune each night before sleep would have been easier on me, but I aparantly had to get up to speed asap to make up for lost time or something.

In their use, every draw is a religious experience. Its not like the tarot for me. I'm invoking powers and drawing communication from them, often as an act of service for someone they want to talk to that came to me for the reading. Part of the deal, that. I also find that I spend a lot more time working with someone to narrow down their question to something specific to ask, something that can not be answered by either of us without a draw. I'll sit there and give answers without drawing a single stone until we get to where I need to draw because its something dealing with information beyond me. That's just a matter of respect, to not ask what you can already answer yourself. Don't waste the gods' time.

And so I find myself having found religion out of pursuit of magick. Careful, they can getcha that way.
 
 
cusm
01:24 / 07.09.05
Oh, and btw, carving he stones took a dremmel and about 6 diamond bits chewed to pieces. Not the easiest of substances to work with, that.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
13:46 / 07.09.05
Well personally, when the time came to colour my runes, I went with my Hello Kitty pastel sparkle gel ink pens. I felt that whilst it's non-traditional, a touch of girly glam was both more up to date and far more "me" than this old-fashioned body fluid stuff.



(Gotcha.)

No, what I actually did was, I drew blood from my thumb and mixed it with a little agua ardiente de miel (honey liquer, nearest thing I could find to mead) in my chalice. This I applied to the carved runes with the blade of my ritual dagger. (The runes that I burnt and ingested every day were also written in red stuff.)

Given that most of my work with Odin has been characterised by minor and not-so-minor injury, I was surprised to get through the entire process without breaking any skin... until the final cut of the final rune. I was just thinking how great it was that I'd got through the entire deck without cutting myself, when my knife slipped and I ended up with a deep cut to one of my fingers--middle finger, right hand, corresponding to the rune Gebo in the runic hands model. I took the hint. I fed my knife, then went to Odin's harrow and added a few drops to the libation I'd put out earlier.

Snowflake obsidian must've been a bugger to carve, but sounds beautiful! Could we see some pictures, or do your runes not like having their picture taken?
 
 
cusm
18:41 / 07.09.05
Glitterunes! Hear ye the wisdom of the pretty-pretty princess! Hee!

Anyways...

Hmm. Showing pictures isn't specificly worded in the contract, but could be considered as such, so probably best to not. They're awfully lively, considering any sight from them to be a reading, so that may be complicated. But they are pretty, you'll just have to take my word for it. I could show them off before I blooded them, but can't anymore since.

As a note on the blooding rit, I did them in order, and placed them around myself in a circle to dry after each was done, so I could sit in the middle waiting for them to dry and meditate a bit. I went for quite the walk then. I haven't done it again since, but it seems the circle could be used that way repeatedly for shamanic travel and the like. Just another application of the tool there besides the usual divinitory one.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
21:45 / 07.09.05
it seems the circle could be used that way repeatedly for shamanic travel

I may try something like that with mine. I've asked about using them for divination but that hasn't been okayed yet; apparently I still have more work to do. Magical practice using the runes is being encouraged though.

I freshened them up a bit this afternoon as dusk was starting to fall, finishing up just as Odin's day was giving way to Thor's eve. I think I might make a regular practice of that, say once a month or something, because it seemed to go over very well.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
00:13 / 08.09.05
Out of interest: has anybody here got any experience of rune stance as laid out "Futhark" by Edred Thorrson (Stephen Flowers)? I've sort of tentatively begun working with it; I always feel like I ought to be wearing a pink ra-ra skirt and waving a couple of pom-poms or something. And be called Brandi or Tiffani. ("Gimme a FEHU!") However it's my experience that, like practices that fill us with fear, a magical practice that makes one feel like a collosal prat is probably well worth pursuing.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
10:50 / 03.10.05
Something that came out of this project that I've been mulling over: Approaching the runes as being in some sense "animate," in the same sense that a servitor could be approached as animate. Sorta proto-conscious thoughtforms, if you get me.

After the work was done I started to get strong mental images of the runes as tiny silver insects. I seemed to percieve them connecting up into bindrunes, creating new configurations; my instinct was that the bindrune-spirits were getting more sophisitcated--smarter, if you like--the more complex they were and the more runes they included. The bindrune of the entire elder futhark appeared as a sort of queen-bee, the mother of all bindrune-spirits.

Working with runes within the spirit model: rune stance then becomes invocation of the relevant rune-spirit. Runes can be spoken to, learned from in a very direct way. Evocation of a bindrune-spirit for the purposes of magic. Offerings to rune-spirits?

I can't believe I can possibly be the only person who's considered this. Are there any references out there for this kind of work?
 
 
Unconditional Love
14:57 / 03.10.05
Ive not come across any, but i only know runes from my past, but i am thinking the same could be said for tarot, the 4 elementals and the personifications of the major arcana. makes sense to work with divination systems through deification

to bring feoh through as cattle, or thuriaz as the giants,naudiz as a figure grasping out for something.
Has a huge amount of potential as an evocational system.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
15:18 / 03.10.05
I don't get the same vibe off the Tarot for some reason. Although superficially similar, they are radicaly different systems to work with. Each rune seems to carry a concentration of power whereas the Tarot cards carry a concentration of meaning. Does that make sense? Also, the way in which the runes are also letters of an alphabet seems to make a difference (yeah, obviously there's the Tarot/Hebrew alphabet correspondances, but you can't write with it directly) seems important here: the way in which they can be combined into words, sentences, new meanings, in infinite variety.

(Contemplating any given rune, I often get the image of a tree: the way a tree is as vast below the ground as above. The rune-symbol itself is the trunk, a point of concentration. The branches above ground are the potential threads of interaction with our reality. The roots are the secret meanings, potential threads of comprehension. *sigh* Probably not making much sense right now. I'll have to come back to this.)
 
 
Unconditional Love
15:36 / 03.10.05
so the rune is whats exposed but the power of the rune is rooted in something deeper? so what is it rooted in, nifelheim?, its an intresting description go on, its helping me remember something.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
15:41 / 03.10.05
Where do the roots go? I don't know yet. Time, perhaps. Memory. Legend. Maybe those things are part of Hela's domain, or are reflected there...
 
 
grant
17:01 / 03.10.05
Why are runes shaped the way they are?

Why does dagaz look like mannaz, laguz look like naudiz and othila look like inguz?

What do the shapes mean?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
18:04 / 03.10.05
That's an angle I'm wroking on.
 
 
Bard: One-Man Humaton Hoedown
20:35 / 03.10.05
Mordant, interesting idea! I'm going to look into that tonight. I think I have my sticks and my runes here, so I should be able to build a house out of that; in this case use the house to contain and magnify the actions of the runes. Sort of a supernatural petri dish+microscope model.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
20:56 / 03.10.05
OooOooh. Spirit houses for runes. Now there's an idea.
 
 
Bard: One-Man Humaton Hoedown
21:03 / 04.10.05
Hmmm. First investigation has been inconclusive. I think part of that was just picking random runes rather than designing sets that complemented each other.

I built the house and inserted the runes into it as I built barriers around them. Looked for interconnectivity between them, but didn't find any. Fiddled with the barriers (sticks cutting the house into "rooms" or sections) a bit, and that had a few interesting effects.

Got a VERY strong impression off Raido, though. I touched it and got a very strong sensation of movement. Not the rune itself moving, but it moving me. I'm wondering if the setup of the house amplified/focused its effects.

Not being particularly articulate here, I know. Not 100% sure how to describe the whole setup. I really DO need to start taking pictures of these things.
 
 
Unconditional Love
21:19 / 04.10.05
runes always remind me of the beam structures on old houses, like looking up into the wooden structure of a thatched roof, also the tudor style beaming.
 
 
Bard: One-Man Humaton Hoedown
04:47 / 05.10.05
More articulate than last post.

Basically today I experimented with building a spirit house and inserting random runes. The problem is that I was experimenting. I was trying to figure out how things worked, so my result was pretty half assed. I need to work out some patterns and sets of complimentary runes to see how they interact with each other. My little rune book tells me that "isa" is essentially the "stop" rune, so I'm wondering if its presence in the house might have been what seemed to mute out the other runes.

What I find intersting is that raido provided such an intimate and powerful connection, but the other runes were being activly blocked. I'm wondering if that perhaps suggests that isa isn't just a "stop" command, but also a sort of circuit breaker/splitter, redirecting everything through the spirit house into raido.

I hope I'm making a bit more sense than before. This is just me grasping at straws here. But it seems like a reasonable idea for why things were so...inactive.

Mordant, you're way better with runes than I am. Any suggestions here?
 
 
Sekhmet
12:26 / 05.10.05
runes always remind me of the beam structures on old houses, like looking up into the wooden structure of a thatched roof, also the tudor style beaming.

I believe I've read that runes are, or have been, used that way... specifically built into houses in the form of support beams. Maybe in Scandinavia? I'll look for the book and provide references.

It's a great concept.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
13:11 / 05.10.05
That's correct--Thorsson's Futhark contains a reference to this practice, with some sketches.
 
  

Page: 1(2)34

 
  
Add Your Reply