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Liberality: R for Right-wing Wrongness

 
  

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Haus of Mystery
14:08 / 01.08.05
So AMERICAN POWER looked jingositic and obnoxious: has anybody read the issue or script in question?

It had a Super-patriot-gimp smacking an Osamaclone on the cover.
It doesn't need to be read to be condemned.
 
 
w1rebaby
18:20 / 01.08.05
Did they actually *release* it? I thought they were going to do a prequel for Free Comics Day, and it got such bad publicity that they didn't bother and in fact canned the whole series.
 
 
The Falcon
19:09 / 01.08.05
You think right.
 
 
Ben Danes
04:13 / 02.08.05
That, and the the fact that the liberal comic media drove Crossgen out of business.
 
 
MJ-12
11:25 / 02.08.05
Does anyone else find it a little sad that they're pinning their hopes on Liddy, a man incapable of carrying out a burgulary of the type regulary performed by fifteen year old crack addicts?
 
 
sleazenation
11:41 / 02.08.05
That, and the the fact that the liberal comic media drove Crossgen out of business.

Just checking, this is a joke, right?
 
 
Aertho
11:56 / 02.08.05
Yeah, "liberal" in that sentence doesn't even make sense. Put "conservative" in its place, and it works.
 
 
Ben Danes
01:00 / 03.08.05
Is it not a joke any time the phrase 'liberal media' is used? Even (especially) if the person is dead serious about it? Which I'm not.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
03:16 / 03.08.05
I may have read somewhere recently - LITG? - that AMERICAN POWER was renamed and may still be published, either by whomever bought Crossgen's assets or some other editors.

and as you can see my tired liberal brain can't be trusted, for one thing.
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
10:23 / 03.08.05
MJ-12, Liddy was a patsy.

Another thing: that phrase "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." I had never heard this stupid toss before last year, but I keep reading it all over the place these days. Where did it come from?

I don't know where it came from, but I heard it as a kid.
 
 
Jack Fear
10:53 / 03.08.05
Scotty said it on an episode of the original Star Trek, calling it "an old saying." Chekhov claimed it originated in Russia, but that's just Chekhov for you.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
18:14 / 03.08.05
damn right.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friday%27s_Child_%28Star_Trek%29
 
 
rabideyemovement
19:34 / 03.08.05
There's an American variation on that phrase as well.
As seen in this video...
foolbush.
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
21:03 / 03.08.05
It's a Klingon saying, like Hamlet is really a Klingon play appropriated by the hu-mans
 
 
Mark Parsons
06:18 / 04.08.05
"So AMERICAN POWER looked jingositic and obnoxious: has anybody read the issue or script in question?

It had a Super-patriot-gimp smacking an Osamaclone on the cover.
It doesn't need to be read to be condemned."

Yes, if you are as narrow-minded and reactionary as right wing nutbars. Why read? Why be curious? Maybe there was satire going on in AP. Maybe it was funny in a blackly humorous way. Probably not, but there is only one way to tell and that's to read it.

Although the above parlay is an admittedly poor example of what I am about to write (sorry macgyver), I am well tired of many of my fellow lefty progressives in the USA who whinge and screech and preach to the choir. One of the right's fallacies is that the world is black and white, either/or. We lefties often make the same mistake (and yes, there is good reason to flip out). It's all about thesis and synthesis, baby...
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
09:14 / 04.08.05
Interesting. This may not be the place to ask, but I'd be fascinated to know what elements of a typical right-wing, nationalistic, neo-conservative worldview you think should be included in a "synthesis" with progressive or left wing views, furioso.
 
 
sleazenation
09:17 / 04.08.05
has anybody read the issue or script in question?

As I believe others have pointed out American Power has yet to be published. However, I don't think the arguement that you must read a comic to criticise it holds much water, after all, retailers have to order their comics, sight-unseen, three months in advance with minimal plot information and details of a creative team to go on. If they are lucky they also have a cover...
 
 
Lord Morgue
11:07 / 04.08.05
ARGH! All this is bringing on 80's flashbacks to Ronnie's Raiders and Reagan's Roller...
GAH! Superpresident!
 
 
Mark Parsons
15:21 / 04.08.05
" This may not be the place to ask, but I'd be fascinated to know what elements of a typical right-wing, nationalistic, neo-conservative worldview you think should be included in a "synthesis" with progressive or left wing views, furioso."

Half this country (US) labels themselves "conservative."

I do not consider Neocons conservatives. They are an abberation and an infection.

I do not think that political leaders represent the rank-and-file conservatives (non yahoos, racists, x-tian evangelists, etc), who are already showing signs of strong dissaproval (Iraq, Lies, Social Security).

In order to get the left back into power, they'll have to win back the voters they lost to the hand puppet in his first election. That won't happen without making them see that what the left offers is in their best interests. Continually condeming them for the sins of others, even when those sins are undeniably hideous and offensive, will not bring them back to sanity.

The left has lost much of its working class base (See "What's the Matter with Kansas?") and unless they find a way to reforge-remerge-resynthesize their platforms with those of the who have gone astray, then we'll be looking at Bushite bullshite for a great many years to come.

So I guess that's what I was getting at. Human level, not geopolitical.
 
 
Sean the frumious Bandersnatch
16:20 / 04.08.05
One of the right's fallacies is that the world is black and white, either/or. We lefties often make the same mistake

Indeed. As I always said, there are two kinds of people in this world- people who think that the world is dichotomous, and those of us who are more enlightened.
 
 
Mark Parsons
17:22 / 04.08.05
Here is a link to Eric Alterman's MSNBC blog:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3449870

There's a reprinted review here of the "Kansas" sitation and other "mistakes" the US left has made. Alterman is a great, clear voice in the Main Stream Media over here.
 
 
w1rebaby
18:11 / 04.08.05
A quick skim of that tells me that it is hopelessly confusing the word "liberal" with the word "Democrat"... "liberal" is increasingly one of my least favourite words.
 
 
bjacques
19:04 / 04.08.05
National Lampoon did this *ages* ago, with "G. Gordon Liddy: Agent of C.R.E.E.P.!"
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
19:22 / 04.08.05
Let me put it another way, furioso: what elements of conservatism as represented by the cover to American Power do you think need to be synthesised with a left wing worldview, and if you do not think they need to be synthesised, why bring up "thesis and synthesis" here at all? Baby?
 
 
■
19:29 / 04.08.05
there are two kinds of people in this world- people who think that the world is dichotomous, and those of us who are more enlightened.

Nice gag. Reminds me of the old one:
"Did you know there are 10 kinds of people in the world? People who understand binary and those who don't."
 
 
bjacques
19:37 / 04.08.05
Lazarus Long (still in his first century) said it best: "Never appeal to a man's "better nature". He may not have one. Invoking his self-interest gives you more leverage."

Or just sex up your pitch. Neither approach (ncessarily) requires turning into what you're trying to fight.
 
 
Mark Parsons
21:37 / 04.08.05
"Let me put it another way, furioso: what elements of conservatism as represented by the cover to American Power do you think need to be synthesised with a left wing worldview, and if you do not think they need to be synthesised, why bring up "thesis and synthesis" here at all? Baby? "

Throwing out two tracks at once. My Bad. Sorry I confused you!
 
 
MJ-12
11:39 / 05.08.05
MJ-12, Liddy was a patsy.

Well, sure, but only in the sense that Nixon and the rest were also patsies, the entire affair having been engineered as a distraction from the plot to return a Stuart monarch to the throne. But I hardly need to tell you that.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
15:34 / 05.08.05
(sorry macgyver)

That's alright. I didn't understand your post anyway.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
21:53 / 06.08.05
I don't know about Barbelith mods's policy on this, but I can post a link to a yousendit file of a REAGAN'S RAIDERS scan if anyone want one.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
21:58 / 06.08.05
Oh, for the love of Ghod...Reagan's Raiders is so painfully bad.

Did people know that if the series would have went on, Jim Lee was going to take over the art? Working for Solson was his first job, and the only work he did for them that ever saw print was "Samuri Santa", which wasn't actually published until the early 90's (and Solson went under in 1987), and was "published" as a series of copied pages stapled together to try and piggyback on the fact that Jim Lee had become a major comics star.

*cue the NBC "The More You Know" music and graphic*
 
 
Bard: One-Man Humaton Hoedown
11:40 / 07.08.05
Y'know, the art isn't too bad. Actually, aside from the main characters rather badly drawn cyberware, the art's really quite nice.

Can't say the same for the dialogue in the preview, though. Its not just that I find the concept so absurd that somehow "The Authority" seems a touch more realistic, but it was just...I dunno. It literally came off like it was being murdered by bad actors.

But one of the previous posters was right: the book is the anti-Channel Zero. And I think it highlights some interesting perceptions of some of the far right yahoos when it comes to Liberalism...especially the fact that perhaps they view the scary future where the liberals are in charge the same as our vision of a scary future where the conservatives are (more) in charge (than they are now).

As for "fool me once", I recall their being a very humorous Futurama that involved Amy Wong being fleeced by Bender (I think). For the life of me now I can't remember exactly how it went.
 
 
sleazenation
13:12 / 07.08.05
Bard - firstly from the admittedly small sample I have seen of a page on Plasticbag.org, I really can't agree with you on the art. Secondly, I am really worried that you think the Authority is in any way 'realisitic'. Thirdly, am increasingly getting the impression that its meant to be funny and vaguely satirical, in broadly the same way that the parody press spins on the Image comics of the early Image titles were in the early 90s were, but, as I indicated in my first post, from what I've seen they look less like a funny and/or well crafted satire as a bad comic. And, you know, life's too short for bad comics.
 
 
Bard: One-Man Humaton Hoedown
15:06 / 07.08.05
Sleaze, you're misunderstaning me, I think. I was using "The Authority" as an example to say that the concept behind the book is laughably absurd. Becuase at the time the Authority was the first horribly unrealistic thing that popped into my head.

And I dunno...I kind of like the art. It's nifty. But then again my taste in comic art is very broad.
 
 
sleazenation
19:08 / 07.08.05
Fair enough, you really had me worried there...

I had another look at the full five pages of the preview of the art on your recommendation, but I don't think its a matter of having a broad artistic taste, it strikes me that the artist's sense of proportion and anatomy is somewhat lacking.
 
  

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