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Liberality: R for Right-wing Wrongness

 
  

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Phex: Dorset Doom
09:08 / 30.07.05
Whoa. Just whoa

"Series concept: What if today's anti-war Liberals were in charge of the American government and had been since 9/11? What would that society look like in the year 2021? What would be the results of fighting “a more sensitive war on terror” and looking to the corrupt United Nations to solve all of America 's problems? In Liberality For All , the reader sees a vision of that future where there is only one justified type of war…the war against Conservatives and their ideals."
This means that prominent Conservative talk-show hosts have to have cybernetic upgrades and rally behind a young hero named 'Reagan'. It's pretty much The Authority: Revolution, in Bizzarro world. The series' creator, Mark Mackey, has already been on G Gordon Liddy's radio show to promote the comic to the shows' 2 million listeners.
Of course a groundbreaking work like this raises many questions:
1) Does the far-right actually read comics?
2) Didn't The Authority do this, but good?
3) Does the far-right actually need comics?
4) Didn't The Authority do this, but good?
5) See points 2&4
 
 
sleazenation
11:37 / 30.07.05
Sounds like another bad comic in the making - Civilian Justice anyone?
 
 
Withiel: DALI'S ROTTWEILER
13:22 / 30.07.05
Hang on... that's this.

The guy posted a similar synopsis on the JBF and got laughed out of the thread. And now he appears to have an artist and things. This makes me sad.
 
 
Withiel: DALI'S ROTTWEILER
13:25 / 30.07.05
Also, why are the letters "ALI" (of Liberality) highlighted in the logo. Please tell me it's not "ALI", as in "stereotypical Muslim name" "Ali". Because that would just be painful and racist and all sorts of urgh.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
14:36 / 30.07.05
I am SO going to... erm... shoplift this.
 
 
Planet B
17:37 / 30.07.05
I saw this on Tom Tomorrow's site yesterday and laughed my ass off. I too wondered why "ALI" was different in the font and couldn't come up with anything beyond the obvious hatred of brown people. I highly recommend checking out the preview pages on the comic's website.

And, Stoat, good idea. Because I'm certainly not paying for this trash. But I'd love to read it and then burn it wrapped in an American flag.

Also, following the links above I see that JB's forums are closed for now... the horror. (Wonder what caused that)
 
 
COBRAnomicon!
18:11 / 30.07.05
The "ali" drop is so that the title secretly reads as "Liberty." Oh so clever.
 
 
Triplets
18:24 / 30.07.05
Preview hyah

[1] Not liking the U.N. causes you to dress up like an extra from Fist of the North Star.

[2] and Hannity resembles Callisto (or the Moorlocks) in Cable-drag.

[3] "Sacre bleu! He's just up the Rue!". This comic is truly blessed.
 
 
COBRAnomicon!
20:41 / 30.07.05
Note all the evil liberal background music in the street scenes. Neil Young wants your children to be UN-worshipping commies!
 
 
Krug
20:56 / 30.07.05
Ugh.

And the whole President Clinton, VP Moore, or as Osama has come to know them as Chelsea and Michael.

I can't move out of America soon enough.
 
 
Triplets
21:01 / 30.07.05
If you listen closely, the moment Michael Moore gets mentioned you can hear the author sloshing his man tip-ex.
 
 
Sean the frumious Bandersnatch
21:02 / 30.07.05
Oh My GOD!

This is amazing. Sean Hannity is so much cooler with a robot arm. But how come the ultra-American, anti-UN comic is drawn in Japanese anime style?
 
 
lukabeast
23:39 / 30.07.05
Uh..hmmm.

Well, the one positive out of this is, we now have proof that when somebody says "if you want to make a comic, you just need to get off your butt and do it" they're telling the truth.
 
 
Juan_Arteaga
00:34 / 31.07.05
Part of me thinks that, in theory, this is a good idea. There aren't many openly conservative comics. Conservatives have money and probably want to be entertained like everybody else, and not many people are really catering to this market. There are plenty of openly liberal comics and plenty of completely apolitical comics designed to offend nobody. I believe the world can take one of this and live.

Now, the problem with this book is that it looks like crap. If nobody had told me the guy behind this book actually takes his stuff seriously, I would have guessed the book is a parody done in early Image's style. And, really... for a dystopian future, the world looks incredibly happy, clean and colorful. And those patriotic gang members? Cheesus, they have to be the world's least threatening gang members EVER. And this guy seriously believes there is a gang out there wearing 80s fashion doing patriotic graffiti?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
02:09 / 31.07.05
I realise that this is by no means the most absurd thing about this comic, but wouldn't the protagonists be a bit old to fuck too much shit up? G Gordon Liddy would be over 90, North pushing 80 and even Hannity, a sprightly 60, might be pondering the wisdom of broadcasting just up the Rue from UN forces...
 
 
Withiel: DALI'S ROTTWEILER
08:19 / 31.07.05
"The "ali" drop is so that the title secretly reads as "Liberty." Oh so clever."

Still, I wouldn't rule out some horrible comment about how "taking the 'ALI' out of Liberality gives us back our LIBERTY", or some such, especially given that Usama Bin Laden (from Afghanistan, apparently.) is a villain in the storyline.
 
 
Ben Danes
10:56 / 31.07.05
Cyborg Sean Hannity must have a R2D2-style Alan Colmes as his sidekick.
 
 
P. Horus Rhacoid
12:12 / 31.07.05
I realise that this is by no means the most absurd thing about this comic, but wouldn't the protagonists be a bit old to fuck too much shit up? G Gordon Liddy would be over 90, North pushing 80 and even Hannity, a sprightly 60, might be pondering the wisdom of broadcasting just up the Rue from UN forces...

Perhaps the liberals' willingness to pursue controversial medical research has led to a reversal of the aging process...
 
 
This Sunday
19:28 / 31.07.05
I think they're cyborg clone humanoids. In the comic, too.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
19:43 / 31.07.05
There aren't many openly conservative comics.

So...Chuck Dixon has quit writing comic books?

And they stopped publishing "The Punisher"?

Weird. I missed that. And while I'll miss the Punisher (Garth Ennis writes a great psycho right wing bastard), it makes me DAMN happy that Dixon won't be muddying the waters anymore with his formula driven drivel. He should be writing for TV. Or "Mack Bolan" novels.
 
 
Juan_Arteaga
21:15 / 31.07.05
Chuck Dixon is openly conservative, but he doesn't write openly conservative comics. He was about to, with that comic about the S&M fan hitting Osama, but that thing didn't go anywhere.

Chuck Dixon doesn't go around writing stories about why gun control and abortion is bad and wrong, unlike many liberal writers who do the opposite. Then again, mind you, I don't read many or any Chuck Dixon since I find him quite unreadable most of the time.

And about Punisher... I am not sure what makes him conservative to you, other than his full support of the death penalty. Specially since he is pretty much shown as a complete psycho who can't get along with anybody, so I think he is hardly the ideal spokesperson for any political ideals.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
23:12 / 31.07.05
WTF IS wRONG WITH "mACK bOLAN" NOVELS!?!?!

PEPLE LIKE U ARE A GOOD FRINKIN REASON FOR BRINGING BAK NATIONAL SERVICE, YOU SInK NBEAST!
 
 
Hieronymus
23:20 / 31.07.05
Doug TenNapel, creator of Earthworm Jim and author of Earthboy Jacobus, fits that Dixon mold as well. He's not hamfisted about his extremely conservative politics when it comes to his creative work. But his personal blog is so ranty, it makes my teeth itch. One of my favorite, almost Ron Burgundy-esque, quotes from him:

"As a Pro-Life evengellical Republican in Hollywood I am the diversity in this town!"
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
00:22 / 01.08.05
Dixon's work on Airboy was VERY right-wing, and his stuff at DC would use the "fictional" countries to stand in for how he saw their counterparts...isn't he the one who wrote the story about the DC equivelent of Iraq getting nuked?

His Batman also verged on it most of the time as well, even before I knew how right-wing he was, I thought he had an odd take on things.
 
 
gridley
01:03 / 01.08.05
Man, I want to live in the America where the cops speak French, the UN is in charge, and conservatives get hunted down like dogs in the street. This may well be the greatest comic book ever!!!!
 
 
Juan_Arteaga
03:47 / 01.08.05
The very few Chuck Dixon issues I have read where completely apolitical mediocre fun for the whole family. Ok, so maybe he had a few conservative messages here and then. But if Chucko is the only guy you can mention, then that shows that there are plenty more liberal comics than conservative ones. I wouldn't want to guess a ratio, though.
 
 
Mark Parsons
05:28 / 01.08.05
I recently read all the Dixon-McDaniel Nightwing trades and thought they were excellent. Not WATCHMEN obviously, but they're out to create mayhem and have fun and they do this very well indeed.

I think lumping Dixon in with the highly motivated loon who wrote Liberality is not fair and actually smacks of Right Wing Hate Machine tactics, in which rational POVs are connected with fringier ideas and thus "discredited."

So AMERICAN POWER looked jingositic and obnoxious: has anybody read the issue or script in question? I can't believe I am "defending" a book that would have, in all likelyhood, have pissed me off HAD I READ IT (look ma: rightwing nutbar ALL CAPS RANTING), but this sort of reasoning gets my dander up wherever side it comes from.

Getting back to the Liberality book, what i do find fascinating us the Right Wing's eternal perception that they're the frigging underdogs! Here in the states, they STILL moan on about the "liberal media: and so forth. Any thoughts on why they have this tendancy? Other than teeny Grinch hearst and small shoes...
 
 
w1rebaby
06:32 / 01.08.05
This may well be the greatest comic book ever!!!!

What I'm worried by are the possibilities that

(a) it may not go all the way and be really fucking batshit, but think it's actually thoughtful political satire instead, which would mean it became boring

(b) it may exhaust all its references and ideas in the first issue and start repeating itself

(c) this may all just be a PR stunt and the series doesn't really exist at all - either nothing gets released or it is "forced off the shelves" after the first issue, for even greater PR exposure

I have to say that I'm thinking (c) right now. It doesn't seem like the sort of idea that's really sustainable, and the preview pages seem too calculated to shock. But you never know, and I'd say that it looks like G Gordon Liddy has some sort of sidekick role so the probability of him being shot in the face before the end seems quite high.
 
 
This Sunday
06:41 / 01.08.05
I think the issue is muddled by a difference between fiction and reality, and an author, rightwing or left or whatever, being able to not write their own opinion into all their fiction. I used to think Byrne must be left and relaxed, but the last few years of his comments have kicked that notion out of my head. If 'Fury' (the MAX book) had been by an author I'd never encountered before, I'd probably not have read it as satire, but straightforward and badly done... at least, up until the last issue. I refuse to read real-world anything into a Larry Hamma comic, these days; don't think he's addressing the real world, just (trying to be) entertaining. Warren Ellis, as a satirical utopianist commonly infuses a real-world message into his works. The sexual politics of Chuck Dixon comics turn me off faster than his, er, governmental right/left/dem/rep whatever-you-call-em professional-politics.
But you can't assume because person X writes book Y, that they believe anything of the plot or out of a character's mouth.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
06:51 / 01.08.05
it's the anti-CHANNEL ZERO... with Cable!

wish my Osama-as-Nick Fury was ready for print; damned artist...
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
06:55 / 01.08.05
oh, worth reading is ellis/gulacy's RELOAD and specially the unexpected ennis/corben's PUNISHER: THE END; again worth a mention, it was the best Marvel comic of late.
 
 
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11:05 / 01.08.05
Another problem with it is that it's just so fucking BAD. The one panel transition that had me doing a triple tak was the on where someone pauses mid-sentence for a few seconds to allow the cleaners to pass a few hand signals. It also happens frequently with the narration. great chunks of speech break up the flow.
Also, to get that perspective of the UN (page 8 panel 3), you'd have to somewhere inside a building three blocks away with x-ray vision.
and "Sacra bleu"? come on.
Another thing: that phrase "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." I had never heard this stupid toss before last year, but I keep reading it all over the place these days. Where did it come from? Is it some kind of newly adopted folk knowledge to counteract the idea of turning the other cheek (who came up with that one? I'm sure he sounds like a beardy liberal). All the references I can find to it claim it's a Chinese proverb. Did (as the text claims) each of you US types learn this as children? We had "two wrongs don't make a right" as the big one we were taught.
I reckon you're right with option C. It's a stunt. It's far too bad to release, but claiming it was pulled by the left-wing evil comic shop owners could help give it some kind of legendary martyr status.
 
 
Lord Morgue
11:23 / 01.08.05
I want bionic commando Dan Quayle.
 
 
w1rebaby
12:34 / 01.08.05
"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

I've heard it a lot in The World After The Tragic Events Of Nine Eleven, too. "I have to kick your ass now or it would be just shameful".

Here is Mr Bush not quite managing it.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
13:19 / 01.08.05
And remember, this isn't the first time some right-wing nute job has wanted to do a book like this.

http://www.toonopedia.com/reagan.htm
 
  

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