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Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince (SPOILERS)

 
  

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Quantum
11:01 / 28.07.05
Remember how Harry's Mum gave him amazing magic powers by sacrificing herself for him? Making him able to resist the Dork Lard? Power oif love and all that?

Dumble's martyred himself deliberately to empower Potter to defeat Voldy, Obi-wan Kenobi style. His love for Harry (slash writers please resist the temptation) will be the key to beating the Dork Side, mark my words.
 
 
Cat Chant
13:37 / 31.07.05
Just popping in quickly to share this theory about what will happen in the next book (posisble title Puppy Potter And The MPreg).
 
 
Tryphena Absent
18:11 / 31.07.05
If I proposed to jekesta would jekesta say yes? It's a really important question.
 
 
grant
02:02 / 01.08.05
Maybe if you got hir pregnant first.
 
 
Cat Chant
08:45 / 01.08.05
She's already married to the Doctor, Nina, but I'm sure she'd have no objections to another spouse: you could try your luck.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
06:10 / 02.08.05
Did anyone go to Accio and have a Guardian journo sneering at them?
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
08:52 / 03.08.05
It's more a comment on the films (which I'm putting in here at the risk of spoiling it for anyone who hadn't read it) but I hope J.K. Rowling told the producers of Goblet and Phoenix of her intentions for Draco in Prince because some serious work needs to be done to make him a credible force in the school if his confrontation with Dumbledore is going to work at all.

Although I suppose they could cut that out and rewrite Draco as just acting as an enabler for Snape to do the hard work?
 
 
Chiropteran
12:45 / 03.08.05
...some serious work needs to be done to make him a credible force in the school if his confrontation with Dumbledore is going to work at all.

I don't know - Rowling has gone to some lengths over the series to make it clear that Draco is just a petty, small-time bully who tells the same lame jokes over and over again to a group of Slytherins who only pretend to like him because of who his father is - he is not, and never has been, a credible Villain (in contrast to his more functionally dangerous father, to whom I think it has been implied he is something of a disappointment). Really, it is only Harry's personal animosity towards Draco that gives him the exaggerated appearance of importance in the series up to now (as highlighted in HBP by Ron and Hermione's exasperation with Harry's obsessive insistence that he's "up to something" - they found a sense of perspective before Harry did).

One function of the confrontation between Draco and Dumbledore (as witnessed by Harry) is to force this shift of perspective on Harry - he realizes, for the first time, how lost, weak, and over his head Draco really is (and that, while Harry was technically correct that Draco was plotting something serious, it didn't really matter). The "failure" of Draco to kill Dumbledore, I think, closes the grade-school-politics chapter of Harry's life, while Snape's "success" and Harry's subsequent vow of vengeance move him into a world where Draco's imitating-Harry-falling-off-his-broom-with-a-bludger-up-his-butt routine-repeated-ad-nauseum is almost unimaginably trivial. To sum up: before the confrontation with Dumbledore, Draco really matters only to Harry; after the confrontation, he doesn't even matter to Harry anymore.
 
 
Jack Fear
13:02 / 03.08.05
That's a very savvy read, Lepidopteran. Nice one!
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
16:27 / 10.08.05
Quantum Remember how Harry's Mum gave him amazing magic powers by sacrificing herself for him? Making him able to resist the Dork Lard? Power oif love and all that? Dumble's martyred himself deliberately to empower Potter to defeat Voldy, Obi-wan Kenobi style.

Doesn't Tweedle-Dum-bledore have to be in physical contact with Harry at the time of his death for that to work? Doesn't he, in fact, also have to be a direct blood relation for that to work?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
22:12 / 10.08.05
On the plus side, if Dumbledore is revealed to be Potter's grandfather it might at least help to explain his near-sexual obsession with helping Gryffindor to win the house championship every year...
 
 
Cat Chant
10:02 / 11.08.05
Did anyone go to Accio and have a Guardian journo sneering at them?

Gah. And she thinks the slash population is (a) the same as the cosplay population and (b) entirely separate from the "middle-aged American and Canadian women". Someone needs to get all Venn on her ass.
 
 
Quantum
13:19 / 11.08.05
51C Lady- surely even JKR can write herself out of a restriction like that, even without making Dumbo his grandpa- the power of love probably transcends all boundaries or summink.
But on the house cup- If I was a Hufflepuff I'd be monster pissed off by now, fixy fix-fix. I reckon Dumbo is the lost heir to Gryffindor, it makes sense.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
22:59 / 17.08.05
I'm sure this must have been mentioned inthread, but I'm assuming I somehow missed it...

...am I the only person who thought this turned into the X-Men? I mean, Mr Fear's totally right with his criticism in another HP thread that these can never be classics in the way LOTR or the Lewises can, because the movies have already doen a lot of the imagining for people... but that whole "Hey! I'm Dumbledore. I run a school for kids with special talents" stuff in the Pensieve made me forget both my own imagined Dumbledore AND the movie one(s)... and think... ah, you can guess the rest.

That said, one of my best mates had NO IDEA what I was talking about when I said "but doesn't it all get a bit X-Men half-way through?" so it could just be me...

Thing is, I was worrying. All those stairs, man. All those Hogwarts stairs that Ms Rowling seems so obsessed with. And there's no way Xavier could handle them. It all seemed so unfair.

That said... this is, in my drunken opinion, the best HP in ages. Goblet of Fire seems overly long (though it started so well!) and had the most contrived "reason-for-olde-worlde-type-quest" thang I've seen in ages. Order Of The Phoenix... was unmemorable. A big doorstop, in which a couple of actually important things happen. I'm guessing you could skip from GOF to HBP and be able to get all you needed from OOTP purely from what people say in HBP.

About halfway through "...Phoenix" I started wishing the bad guys would just win and get it over with. Now I actually care again.

But that was SOOOOO X-MEN.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
01:56 / 18.08.05
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A friend of mine, who was pretty drunk the other night, works at Bloomsbury publishing house, home of the HP novels, and has seen the last chapter, the one that's in a safe. Following this, I now know 'everything,' how it all turns out.

Can't reveal the details on-line or anything, it would be too much of a betrayal, but you may still touch me, if you like.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
01:58 / 18.08.05
This book made me wish the bad guys would win, simply because I found their storylines so much more interesting. Snape, Tom Riddle, Cissy... those scenes just made the book for me.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
02:17 / 18.08.05
Alex, you've just made me fear the entire internet.

I had no idea there was a final chapter in a safe somewhere. And knowing that anyone except for Rowling knows what it says has really freaked me out.

I had the 2 main events of HBP spoiled by evil malicious people...so knowing that it's possible someone will leak this other stuff....oh my god. i think I might have to cancel my internet connection.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
07:12 / 18.08.05
Sometimes I wonder what it would be like to live as our ancestors did. And then I find out.
 
 
Cat Chant
08:40 / 18.08.05
Our ancestors lived in fear of the final chapter of the Harry Potter books being revealed on the internet?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
09:38 / 18.08.05
ShadowJumpFireFearBerryGoodtoeatnotgoodtoeat.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
12:14 / 18.08.05
Right
 
 
FinderWolf
15:31 / 22.08.05
>> A friend of mine, who was pretty drunk the other night, works at Bloomsbury publishing house, home of the HP novels, and has seen the last chapter, the one that's in a safe. Following this, I now know 'everything,' how it all turns out.

>> Can't reveal the details on-line or anything, it would be too much of a betrayal, but you may still touch me, if you like.

Just tell us if it was really good, satisfying, totally cool, etc.
 
 
FinderWolf
15:46 / 22.08.05
from the EW piece mentioned above:

>> ...there's some doubt the school will reopen for Harry's final year. Harry claims he won't be back regardless. But Rowling this month acknowledged there ''must obviously be a new'' Defense Against the Dark Arts teacher, implying classes will resume. Plus, Voldemort might seek the Gryffindor sword Dumbledore said is safely hidden there.

Hmmmm....I would kind of like Book 7 to be Harry going all Raiders of the Lost Ark all over the world looking for the various pieces. Maybe 2 chapters spent at Hogwarts at most. But J.K. Rowling's above statement means there will be a school year after all...

Rowling has also said that the last word of book seven is “scar.” So, person who has read The Final Chapter in the Vault, was it?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
16:01 / 22.08.05
According to Alex, it's actually Scafell Pike. Harry Potter and the Ascent of Scafell Pike.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
14:33 / 23.08.05
A letter to Nature: Harry Potter and the recessive allele.
 
 
Cat Chant
15:50 / 23.08.05
Ha! I had that whole "recessive allele" discussion (with diagrams) at a con in 2001. Except we called it a "recessive gene", because the scientist talking to me was a kind person.
 
 
h1ppychick
20:17 / 12.09.05
Not Potterverse, but a similar genetic explanation for magic transmission was included in appendices in novels by both Katherine Kurtz (Deryni novels) and Melanie Rawn (Sunrunner series), way before Potter was even invented.
 
 
Jack Fear
16:41 / 06.10.05
Whiskey tango foxtrot?

I find myself wishing for a little context here...
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
17:48 / 06.10.05
Sounds a bit Denver Mills to me. Or perhaps he was 'tired and emotional'? Also, if you take it to it's logical conclusion he's saying that Harry pretends to be gay but actually is probably just straight and homophobic? I'm never going to look at him going down to Hagrid's hut in quite the same way...
 
 
adamswish
13:07 / 07.10.05
"As for Harry Potter, well, he's not the only gay in the village,"

Yet again some sad middle aged old fool trys to be "hip" with the kids and totally cocks up a catch phrase by using it in the wrong context.

I'm guessing that the reverend was pointing out that HP was not the only series of books about a wizarding kid and ghosts and goulies and magic stuff and that the kiddies of the school should also try this fabulous book called "Shadowmancer". Which, coincidently he had a couple of dozen copies on him at the time.

Shame really...
 
 
Spaniel
11:34 / 20.10.05
Just finished it, and, although it's slicker than some of the others, HBP is a bloated beast.

Don't really have much to add other than, of course Snape's not a baddie.

Let's look at this again, shall we?

But somebody else had spoken Snape's name, quite softly.
"Severus..."

...Snape gazed for a moment at Dumbledore
[time for a little occlumency, maybe? A chance to learn Dumbledore's wishes?], there was revulsion and hatred etched in the harsh lines of his face

Dumbledore is asking Snape to kill him. He's dying; he's in agony; he's done all he can for Harry; and if Snape doesn't do it then, not only will Draco and his family suffer, Snape will die. Snape's look of hatred and revulsion isn't directed at Dumbledore, it's directed at the act he is about to commit - it's directed at the evil Voldemort has wrought.

And, on the subject of Malfoy and his family, doesn't Snape taking the Unbreakable Vow pretty much ensure his goodness? We find out in HBP that Snape's actions led to the death fof Harry's parents, could it be that Snape can't stand by and watch another family be destroyed by Voldemort's evil? And, even if that isn't the case, surely putting your life on the line for someone else - even if that someone is a little shit - is the act of a goodie?
And, on the subject of Unbreakable Vows, could it be that Dumbledore's iron-clad reason for trusting Snape has something to do with another Unbreakable Vow. Hey, I ain't convinced, but I think it's plausible.

Oh yeah, later, when Snape is screaming "DON'T CALL ME COWARD", perhaps he isn't simply demonstratng what a fragile ego he has, perhaps he's tacitly referring (although Harry can't know it) to the incredibly brave act he has just had to commit - killing Dumbledore.

I could go on and on, but others have made many of the points I'm inclined to make, and, frankly, I can't imagine why anyone would disagree. So there.
 
 
The Natural Way
11:51 / 20.10.05
Neither can I. Seems bloody stupid and indicates a complete misunderstanding of good, fun drama.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
16:28 / 20.10.05
*spit*

*handshake*

*co-sign*

This site, though, flips me out. How can anyone think Dumbledore is still alive?

What possible use could his continued life or his coming back accomplish? Let Harry rock it out, without that wispy-haired hippie wizard!
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
16:56 / 20.10.05
"Farewell Dumbledore my old teacher, you will not have died in vain."
"Actually Harry... I'm not quite dead."
"Oh, well you shall not have been mortally wounded in vain."
"Actually I'm feeling quite better Harry..."
"Oh sod it! Avada Kedavra!"
"Eeerk!"
"Farewell Dumbledore..."

I'm sure I read that. Did nobody else?
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
22:24 / 27.11.05
with the GoF movie being out, i had the desire to read through the past couple books again over the Thanksgiving weekend. Just finished HBP again, and I had one thought. Not exactly a theory, but more of a suspicion regarding the Horcruxes.

We know that Dumbledore suspects that Voldemort would probably have tried to get a Ravenclaw or Gryffindor object to use as one of his Horcruxes, but Dumbledore seems to believe he has the only Gryffindor object known (sword) and that is safe.

Flashforward to the end, and Harry is telling Ron and Hermione that he believes the first place he is going after his short trip to the Dursley's is Godric's Hollow, that he feels it is right to go there. I have no idea what Godric's Hollow actually is (aside from a neighborhood that the Potters lived in), but it's obviously named after Godric Gryffindor. Perhaps it is the site of Gryffindor's birth? Perhaps his own residence?

In any case, my suspicion is that Harry will find a Horcrux there, and it will Gryffindor's. Perhaps it is an object of Gryffindor's that is hidden at the site of the Potter's home, dovetailing with Voldemort's system of hiding his objects at meaningful sites.

Anyway, something to think about.
 
  

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