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Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince (SPOILERS)

 
  

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Jack Fear
19:19 / 11.07.05
Thought I'd beat the rush and set up a new thread in advance of the release of the new Harry Potter book this coming weekend. I figure we'll start with anticipatation/plans to buy & such, then proceed to discussion of the book itself.

THIS THREAD WILL SOON BE FILLED WITH SPOILERS, so proceed at you own risk. Use the other thread for any speculation and theories you may have before reading the book.

So...

Anyone going to one of the midnight-sales events? I'll be heading out to one with my daughter, who's of an age to think that staying up 'til midnight is exciting in itself. Should be fun.

CNN niotes that there'll be less ancillary merchandising for this book, shifting the focus of the slaes promotions squarely back onto the books themselves. Which is interesting—suggesting one of two things: either that the franchise has reached a point of diminishing returns, or that the burden of the merchandising has been shifted to the films.

Which is a relief in one sense, but which in the other makes me kinda sad: the fact that the films and the books are coming out in rapid succession means that the books will never be an independent imaginative experience, the way that Lord of the Rings or the Narnia books were for so long—Daniel Radcliffe has been Harry Potter for almost as long as there's been a Harry Potter; readers never really got a chance to crystallize their own visualizations of people, places, and events, because there's always the underlying though I wonder how they're gonna do this in the next movie?

I don't know. It kind of horrifies me to think that there are zillions of Harry Potter fans who've never read the books, and never will. Not because the books are great—they're not. But because many of those zillions of movie fans have never read any book. And never will.
 
 
Jack Fear
12:03 / 12.07.05
Related: Is the Harry Potter brand dead?

Money graf: "The fact is that the main concept of Harry Potter is this idea of undiscovered secrecy," [branding consultant Martin Lindstrom] added. But all the multimillion dollar licensing deals for Harry Potter products, the big movies and the intensive media blitz, he believes, have overexposed the brand to kids.

Harry lost all his street cred once he sold out to The Man.
 
 
WrinklyBottom
16:42 / 15.07.05
Got it a couple days ago, as I work in a small independent bookstore, I was able to furtively snach a copy and read it. Just finished it last night. Some not to spoilery thoughts:

Small spoilers ahead
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Probably my favorite since Azkaban. Much less "fluff" then the last one. Obviously there is still alot, it is Potter after all, but there were enought juicy plot points to keep me interested through the large bulk of the book. Shit does indeed hit the fan, creating a nice set up for the next book. The hole "half blood prince" sub-plot tho is pretty much shite, nothing more than a page wasting, interesting-title-making red herring.

Favorite moment: I won't go into detail, but there is a moment where Dumbledore cuts through the crap and really explains what the prophecy really means.

Least favorite moment: My pet theory of Snape being Harry's uncle was proved wrong.

All in all, Fan's will love it, Non-fan's won't. Pretty much what was to be expected.

I'll go into more spoilerish detail if its wanted.
 
 
Benny the Ball
17:41 / 15.07.05
Have ordered a copy through Amazon for the wife, so will get round to reading it once she is done. I'm not as big a fan, just thought I'd give them a go, so last summer read the first five. They're okay, elements of Tim and Tobias (which I loved as a child) in there that I like. But as said, there is a lot of guff in the books. Also, as they are for kids I often get pissed off that Harry is such an idiot, that the most obvious and amazing stuff is happening and he is more interested in getting into crikey adventures with Ron, rather than spotting what's going on or getting really into the magic of what's around him (most of the stuff he has done has been blind luck more than anything). Snape is a great character though, and the put upon kid who's parents were driven mad is good.
 
 
Cat Chant
18:10 / 15.07.05
Hoorah! sounds like is going against the pattern of all even-numbered books suffering from Not Enough Snape.

(It's my birthday on Monday and hence I will be too busy to go and look at a copy over the weekend, so I would be very pleased to see huge plot spoilers/summaries here... But I guess other people wouldn't.)
 
 
Jack Fear
18:19 / 15.07.05
Nonsense. That's what the thread is for ! That's why it's got "(SPOILERS)" in the title! I, for one, will be spoiling like fresh mayonnaise in a hot car!
 
 
Cat Chant
18:22 / 15.07.05
Yayy!
 
 
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21:53 / 15.07.05
Big mother-of-all spoiler below! Don't look if you don't want the whole book ruined!
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Dumbledore does indeed bite it. The culprit, Snape. He hits him with that Adarva Kedavra unforgivable curse. Draco Malfoy was supposed to do it, but couldnt bring himself to to and Snape makde an Unbreakable vow with Draco's mum that if Draco wouldn't do it Snape would. Because of the Vow if snape did not, he would die. Here's my theory: Dumbledore commanded Snape to kill him. Why? Read the book and find out.
 
 
Cat Chant
09:59 / 16.07.05
YAYY!!

YAYY!!!!

You have made me happier than anyone has ever made me. Oh, YAYY!!!
 
 
sleazenation
12:15 / 16.07.05
So, who is the half-blood prince?
 
 
tea and biscuits
13:46 / 16.07.05
The Half-Blood Prince is Snape, his father was a muggle and his mother's maiden name was Prince.

I've seen quite a few people complaining that there wasn't enough detail and attention being given to certain aspects of the book (such as the classroom scenes). It seems to be that it's not being bogged down with huge amounts of history and description for every character which makes the book so good.

Dumbledore/Snape shippers must be so gutted.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
14:23 / 16.07.05
Whereas Snape/Harry shippers will, I suspect, be delighted.

Deva: I predict that you'll be pretty pleased with HBP.

Have just finished it and agree with the above, although it's still pretty long, alot happens, pace is fast and language a bit more stripped.

More as and when, atm I'm probably just going to read it again. But yeah, a definite improvement and I found D's death/circumstances around pretty moving.

And, having got to the end, the 'extra lessons' are fascinating, in that they're a compressed version of D's 'reveals', and that the tone of the book is very much shaped by the knowledge that Dumbledore is passing on to Harry. There's a definite sense that D is, having shilly-shallied about how much harry needs to know, now realises that he has very little time left in which to give harry as much as possible. There's a sense of urgency/need in Dumbledore which emerges over the lessons, he's aware that the part he's played is nearly over.

More later. Found the whole 'prince' plot rather annoying, especially when it becomes clear that it's Snape.

It's set up very nicely for a very different tone in Book 7, underlined at the end by Harry stating that he knows he won't be coming back to Hogwarts. The school has served it's purpose, within the plot and as genre frame, and has been jettisoned.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
14:39 / 16.07.05
Here's my theory: Dumbledore commanded Snape to kill him..

Yep, or at the very least, expected it to happen, and planned accordingly. He expected to have to drink the potion and thus be on the point of death anyway, by 'allowing' Snape to kill him, he's given Snape immunity/security.

Interesting that at the moment of what the Order are now united in seeing as Snape's complete treachery, he's acting in a for more Dumbledor-ish way than we've seen. He gets into the position of having to kill Dumbledore from acting as 'those fools who love too much' do. Voldemort's triumph in Dumbledore's death will obscure the tension in the means of its achievement.

Nice work in getting glimmers of sympathy for Riddle into Harry's mind, the connection bewteen them is, I suspect, going to be important in more than the obvious ways, and this sympathy will very likely be useful, even though Harry won't see it as such.(as per Dumbledore's commenting on Harry sending Pettigrew to Voldemort as 'a servant who is in your debt)

Oh, and R.A.B is, I'm presuming, Regulus Black?
 
 
Ganesh
10:56 / 17.07.05
Has Harry started wanking yet?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
11:11 / 17.07.05
although it's still pretty long, alot happens, pace is fast and language a bit more stripped.

I feel like I've taken a bunch of crazy pills...

Nothing happens for the first 500 pages. Or rather, the same thing happens repeatedly.


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Harry comes up against a tricky problem in potions, which he solves with the help of Of Course It's Fucking Snape. Ron and Hermione continue to behave a) as if they do not fancy each other and b) as if the other should be more considerate of how much they fancy each other. Harry obsesses about an unattainable female object, because he's definitely not gay and will not break up with her as soon as is humanly possible once he does get her. Dumbledore reminds everyone how much he trusts Snape (who is in it suprisingly little, considering, Deva). Harry tells anyone who will listen that Snape is evil, and that Malfoy is up to something. Quidditch occurs in a welter of quidditch politics. There is no serious doubt that Gryffindor will win the house championship. Dumbledore shows Harry scenes from the Bowl of Exposition.





It's a better book than that makes it sound. But.
 
 
Baz Auckland
11:40 / 17.07.05
I thought the opening chapters (visiting the PM, the vow with Snape and Malfoy) were the best... I was sort of disappointed to see most of it go back to school, lessons, and quidditch after that... still really good, but...

...I'm glad as hell at least that the next one won't be taking place at Hogwarts. It's about time they all got kicked out to do something.
 
 
Jack Fear
16:41 / 17.07.05
Oh, JKR will find a way to make it take place in and around Hogwarts: she’s too married to the school-story template to give that up, even though it became a serious liability about three books ago and nearly cripples the narrative this time around.

I mean: We’ve got open warfare, killing sprees, dope, wands, and magic in the streets—or so we’re told. But because of where we are, the war remains mostly a rumor, a background inconvenience—it only becomes real in the final chapters, in a small-scale raid on Hogwarts that about 80% of the students sleep through, and which results in exactly three casualties. I’m not suggesting that Hogwarts be the site of a Beslan-style siege or something, but here at last was an opportunity for La Rowling to expand beyond her formula... and she wimped out on us.

Y’know, Tolkien worked in a similar atmosphere of little people caught up in big events, with cozy English villages humming with murmurs of distant, dreadful conflicts: but eventually he managed to get his provincial little Englishmen up and into the big world and onto the front lines. The hobbits didn’t have to sit around forever waiting for the war to come to them.

More thoughts on structure and technique: With its relentless single viewpoint, the Potter series is really a detective story, isn’t it? I mean, we don’t find out anything until Harry does, and much of the story is spent getting Harry in a position where he can find things out. Extendable ears, invisibility cloaks, house-elf and ghost spies, veritaserum, polyjuice potions, secret passageways, pensieves, bottled prophecies—much of the magic and mytsery of these stories goes towards gathering and retrieving information, piecing together clues. The stories are not so much about things happening to Harry as about Harry learning about things that have happened. “Bowl of Exposition”? hell the whole series is exposition!

(I don't think it's any coincidence, Baz, that the chapters that worked the best were the only ones not told from Harry's viewpoint. He's a nice kid and all, bu being uinside his head all the time—it gets claustrophobic after three thousand pages or so.)

Baseless assertion: If you restructured these books as Event Stories rather than as Idea Stories, and made judicious use of the third-person omniscient voice, then you could knock a third off the page count of any of these books.

On sexuality: I find it amusing that La Rowling, perhaps intending to head the shippers off at the slash, spends Book 6 busily heteronormalizing the Potterverse. Hermione ends up with Ron—I think we could all se that one coming; Harry somewhat belatedly and unconvincingly realizes that he has actually fancied Ginny Weasley all along. Neville Longbottom is matched with Luna Lovegood (whose guileless, occasionally excruciating forthrightness plays nicely off Harry, who moves always in a web of deceit and half-truths), while Lupin—speaking of unconvincing—is paired off with Tonks, despite his protestations that he’s really not the marrying kind

Draco, though.... ah, dear Draco. The Snape/Harry fans will be disappointed by this volume, but the Draco/Snape contingent will be soiling their green-and-silver underthings. They’ve got some primo scenes this time around, mm-hm. Even more amusing: even though some early scenes rather perfunctorily try to establish Draco and Pansy Parkinson as a het pair, he spends much of the book, as usual, hanging around with Crabbe and Goyle—only C & G are polyjuiced into the form of young girls. (At one point Harry, invisible, glides up beside a disguised Goyle—knowing it’s Goyle—and whispers unnervingly in his/her ear, “You’re very pretty, aren’t you...” Laugh? I nearly spunked.)

One last thought (for now): Re: the Horcruxes: Book 6 of a seven-book series is kind of late in the day to introduce a whole new set of MacGuffins into the mix, isn’t it?
 
 
Mistoffelees
18:59 / 17.07.05
So is Snape a traitor or not?

It seems, yes, he is. A Death Eater, Head of Slytherin House for years, a big fan of the dark arts, has greasy hair, only dresses in black and gets on well with Voldemort, kills the most well liked and powerful wizard with an unforgivable curse, which makes him public enemy nr. 2.

None of his former allies trust him anymore, and with good reason.

On the other hand, can it be that simple? Maybe he is the good guy after all? Many of the surviving members of the OotP/DA never liked/trusted him anyway, because he treated many of them with hatred and contempt. And having killed Dumbledore, it makes him the perfect agent, because now all the death eaters will trust him. So he could set them up for all kinds of misery with his vast knowledge of the dark arts and potions. And being good at occlumency he can hide even from Voldemort, that he still is a good guy.

Sacrificing his career, his potions, his life, all for the cause would make him the perfect hero: "Oh Harry, he was on our side all the time!" And of course, Dumbledore with his big brain would have planned it all this way?

Then again, why couldn´t Dumbledore have been wrong about him? Sometimes, a rat is just a rat. With Voldemort victorious, Snape can have all the potions and dark arts he desires. He can use Potter´s corpse as some inferi "house elf", turn Hogwarts into Durmstrang II and can live with Draco happily ever after. Sherlock Holmes would approve this theory.

Abridged version: I´m not so sure yet, that Snape is still a secret agent of Dumbledore. Sure, we´d like that. But Barbelith HP readers are a minority to those millions out there, who will say, killing Dumbledore as "a diversion" does not hold, and with that murder he finally has shown his true colours. Maybe Rowling herself hasn´t made up her mind about it, yet. Only three years until we find out…
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
20:48 / 17.07.05
I think having Snape be evil all along is about the least interesting thing that could be done with the character. Generally, Rowling tends to do not very interesting things with her characters, although Malfoy not being able to kill Dumbledore did spark my interest slightly in that character...
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
21:19 / 17.07.05
just finished. unfortunately had D's death spoiled by some asshole on another board, but oh well, still enough revelation for anyone. in retrospect, it was obvious that Dumbledore had to die before the end of the series, so that Harry could become the big cheese on the good side.

also, i mistakenly glanced through this thread before starting (no idea what i was thinking and the Snape thing ruined. haha. my stupid curiosity).

anyway, Regulus Black is my though, as well, which sort of comes out of nowhere, but there seemed to be choice description of him in this book that seems like Rowling's way of doing things in terms of setup.

as for Snape, i think that he is ultimately still a good repentant guy. he had to kill dumbledore, obviously. he was compelled to. didn't have much choice. would be a bit of a let down to find out that Harry was right and Dumbledore was wrong about Snape. doesn't seem to fit the overall Rowling paradigm.

I have to say i really hate the cliche Spiderman scene of Harry breaking up with Ginny.
 
 
Jack Fear
22:04 / 17.07.05
I think having Snape be evil all along is about the least interesting thing that could be done with the character.

Yeah, but make Snape not evil all along would be equally boring, because it would mean that Dumbledore was Right Yet Again. La Rowling has rather written herself into a corner there. About the only thing that could make Snape interesting is if he were evil or good in an unexpected way—i.e. in a way that doesn’t cast him as standing between the poles of Voldemort and Dumbledore. Which would mean that somebody—be it Dumbledore or Snape himself, would have to be more evil than (and intend to supplant) Voldemort.

Frankly, I don’t hold out much hope for this.

Possible Continuity Eror: Harry checks the date on the Half-Blood Prince’s book, hoping that the prince might turn out to be his father or one of that circle—but finds that the book is fifty years old, which he takes to mean that the Prince was not one of his father’s contemporaries.... which of course Snape was. Maybe it’s meant to indicate that Snape was so dirt-poor that he could only afford out-of-date textbooks, but it’s unclear if this is the case or indeed if it’s important, since there’s no indication that the newer editions vary from Harry’s in any significant way. Or I suppose it could’ve been Eileen Prince’s copy from her Hogwarts days.

Sexuality, cont’d: Active Hogwarts staff are the exception to the heteronormalization rule, remaining as curiously sexless as ever. Even Hagrid’s budding romance with Madam Maxime is elided: at Dumbledore’s funeral, Hagrid is depicted seeking solace in the arms of... his half-brother Grawp.

Though I am sure such a thing exists, the very thought of Hagrid/Grawp slash frankly makes me ill.

Thinking more about the unseemly haste of Harry’s newly-longstanding adoration of Ginny. He seems to have got over Cho Chang pretty well. Interestingly enough, Slughorn has a speech illustrating the difference between love and mere infatuation. If La Rowling were a more subtle writer, one might suspect that this is meant to explain Harry’s loss of interest in Cho and growing affection for Ginny. Since the point is not belabored, though, we can pretty safely assume that it was unintentional on Rowling’s part.
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
22:20 / 17.07.05
hermione specifically says that the book was Snape's mother in her explanation about Snape's parentage towards the end of the book.

regarding all the relationships talk about the students (harry/ginny/cho, etc.) seems kind of...well, odd, seeing as how they are all 11-17 year olds with wildly rampant hormones all over the place. there is no possible way to explain away how their feelings work or equate to the real world, seeing as how teenage love is completely unexplainable.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
02:56 / 18.07.05
With its relentless single viewpoint, the Potter series is really a detective story, isn’t it?

Yes and emphasised in this book, which I really enjoyed. Harry is taught to put together clues, those about Voldemort, those about the horcruxes. I am hoping book 7 becomes a whopping great adventure story about the search for Voldemort's soul. It's like mystical Famous Five with a bit more blood, violence and heartache.

I think having Snape be evil all along is about the least interesting thing that could be done with the character.

Snape isn't evil. Has everyone forgotten Chapter 2? Snape kills Dumbledore to save Draco Malfoy's life. A child he has known since birth. It's not a good thing to do but who can blame him for killing the interfering old sod to save the life of a close family friend's baby? I really hope that Snape does turn out to be a DE loyalist, that would make him more interesting to me, I also think it would make more sense psychologically and anyway, what is the point of having a spy with no one to report to?

This was what I was hoping for from the last book, a build up of tension, increased analysis of Voldemort, war encompassing the wizarding world. For me this wasn't the let down the last book was- oh I tried to justify it but the truth is I only read every other sentence and skipped 20 pages in the middle. This time I managed to read the whole thing, the second chapter hooked me and then the explanations of Tom Riddle's life really kept me going. I find the Death Eaters far more fascinating then Harry Potter and his chums and as the focus became more intent on them I was drawn into the book despite my cynicism.

Now I wonder properly for the first time if she is going to kill Harry?
 
 
Mazarine
06:26 / 18.07.05
I must admit, my slash-loving thought about halfway through the book was "Jesus, doesn't the woman know that like half these characters are gay?" Even one of the damn Weasley twins was making some comment about some girl he thought was cute! I wasn't surprised by the heteronormalizing, but I was still damned irritated by it.

I'm sure this theory has been posed and probably better by someone else, but did anyone else find Slughorn's running commentary about how swell Lily was coupled with Harry's growing (implausible) attraction to a girl sharing the apparent majority of those characteristics (brave, bold, smart, gifted, red hair) just a little necro-oedipal?
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
07:38 / 18.07.05
Draco, though.... ah, dear Draco. The Snape/Harry fans will be disappointed by this volume, but the Draco/Snape contingent will be soiling their green-and-silver underthings. They’ve got some primo scenes this time around, mm-hm. Even more amusing: even though some early scenes rather perfunctorily try to establish Draco and Pansy Parkinson as a het pair, he spends much of the book, as usual, hanging around with Crabbe and Goyle—only C & G are polyjuiced into the form of young girls. (At one point Harry, invisible, glides up beside a disguised Goyle—knowing it’s Goyle—and whispers unnervingly in his/her ear, “You’re very pretty, aren’t you...” Laugh? I nearly spunked.)

Um, hello...

"I need to see what Draco Malfoy is doing inside you."

DIRECT FUCKING QUOTE. (Literally.)

As far as Snape's traitorness, there was that moment where he admonished Harry ("Harry, no!") at the gate. I was personally hoping for a dual Snape/Malfoy death as Snape saved Dumbledore's life (killing Malfoy) and sacrificing himself in the process. That would've been the balls. But I still think he's on the side of the good. Because Dumbledore has always got to be right. This isn't Raymond Fucking Carver, folks.

And, color me stupid, but at no point did I figure Snape to be the Prince. I figured some kind of classic JK reveal would make Mundungus suddenly relevant, as there was a fleeting reference to him being a half-blood. (Anyone see BWE this week? "The Half-Blood, that's black blood, right?") As, natch, there was no way it could've been Voldie.

I was hoping Harry would've spoken up in Dumbo's office with the headmasters and been all, "Are you tripping? Shit YES the school opens next term if I have to run it MYSELF, Lucy Van Pelt style! The Headmaster is in, bitch!"

I was also hoping for the newly melded Nevs and Luna (a much better match than my pined for Harry/Luna pairing) to show up at the end and been all "Are you tripping? Shit YES the DA is still alive, even if we have to run it ourselves, Lucy Van Pelt style! Dumbledore lives, bitch!" and gone off with HRH to Godric's Whatever. That would've also been the balls.

Quite heartbreaking at the end there, especially seeing Dumbledore's painting. Ach. Part of me was hoping for a The Wake style ceremony, (Hagrid: "He was my boss.") but, realistically, it was hell of better this way.

The whole Cave thing, in retrospect, was so very tacked on, but understandably so. This was all set up for what pretty much has to be an Infinite Jest sized final volume.

And yeah, although I'd managed to keep the images in my head populated by my imagined renderings of the characters in the previous books, thanks to Cuaron actually being good and shit, I was powerless against the influence of Radcliffe, et al, especially when it came to my all-time fave, Ol' Wolverine Lupin.

As someone who never really assumed that slash writers had a better handle on characters than their originator did, I oddly didn't get the sensation that JK was pairing off her protaginists to avoid unpleasantness. I could be wrong, though. Anyone who writes, "I need to see what Draco Malfoy is doing inside you," with a straight face is quite obviously up to something.

And they're absolutely all detective stories. That's what makes them so ball-meltingly fantasgreat.
 
 
Ariadne
09:38 / 18.07.05
Just finished it this morning.
The relationships, who fancies who, are tiresome and seem tacked on - I imagine Rowling's walking a fine line between keeping it a children's adventure story and recognising that Harry's 16. The Harry/Ginny stuff was dreadfully weak.
That said, the adventure side was still great, and I read it straight through.
One (I think) new development made me cringe though - I've never noticed Rowling go for the 'snot and jobbie' jokes before. U-no-poo? And Harry seeing Hagrid's 'bogeys' land in the potatoes as he peels them? I know kids are into this stuff but why start it now? Or have I just missed it before?
Oh, and there weren't nearly enough food descriptions - I've always loved Rowling's descriptions of classic Brit food.
 
 
Mistoffelees
11:56 / 18.07.05
One (I think) new development made me cringe though - I've never noticed Rowling go for the 'snot and jobbie' jokes before. U-no-poo? And Harry seeing Hagrid's 'bogeys' land in the potatoes as he peels them? I know kids are into this stuff but why start it now? Or have I just missed it before?

Well, the last book had all those sweets by Fred and George, that made the pupils sick and spill other bodily fluids. And bogey jokes were in the first book, with Harry´s wand up a troll´s nose. And book 2 had Ron vomiting slugs.
 
 
Ariadne
12:43 / 18.07.05
ah yes. Maybe I've just become more squeamish!
 
 
Tryphena Absent
14:52 / 18.07.05
The Harry/Ginny stuff was dreadfully weak.

I've been thinking about this and wondering if it was meant to be. Harry's godfather has just died and I know a lot of people are quite upset that it isn't tackled in this book but it seemed to me that he wandered through the whole thing getting increasingly angry and shocked and consequently obsessing about Snape and Draco. Then he falls for a girl who used to have a huge crush on him and is very safe- his best friend's sister. He just seemed to be falling back on old emotions constantly. Plus I wondered if this wasn't paving the way to evil Dean and Seamus?

The most annoying thing for me was the Tonks decoy. Did anyone at all really believe that she was under imperio? Because I think that was what Rowling was trying to do but it didn't work for me at all.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
15:04 / 18.07.05
The most annoying thing for me was the Tonks decoy. Did anyone at all really believe that she was under imperio? Because I think that was what Rowling was trying to do but it didn't work for me at all.

Ack! I didn't catch any of that, but it seems quite clear that's what she was trying to do. I am so happy she and Lupes are going to be making little Wolfen babies who listen to krautrock. David Thewliss & Toni Collette 4EVA!
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
17:22 / 18.07.05
to add to the Snape discussion, I read someone's post on another board that sheds some light on things...

I forgot about this scene: Hagrid heard Dumbledore and Snape arguing, and Snape talking about how he didn't want to do something, and Dumbledore reminding him that he had no choice, he would have to.

This seems to support the idea that Snape had to kill Dumbledore due to the Unbreakable Vow and is still ultimately good and following Dumbledore's orders.

Also...I wonder how much contact the Dumbledore painting will have with Harry...hopefully there will be yet more wonderful exposition.
 
 
Quantum
17:25 / 18.07.05
Yeah, I thought Tonks was implausible, one of several weak red herrings.

On Snape though, how can anyone doubt he's the martyred hero? Forced to murder D, putting him firmly in the trusting bosom of the Dork Lard (who at least had some character fleshed out this time) in time to betray him at the finale in the next book, rescue Harry and probably die in the process.

Evidence? I re-read the Potter/Snape confrontation, in which Snape saves him from death several times, refusing to retaliate, preventing the blond DE from Cruciatising him, he even gives him the formula to defeat Voldy. After deflecting half a dozen hexes with ease, he mocks HP that he'll do that

'..again and again, until you close your mouth and cloud your mind'

or something like that- i.e. practice non verbal casting and occlumens, or Voldy will twat you down like I'm doing.

Blatantly protecting his cover story to get to Voldy, saving Tim Hunter *OOPS* Harry in the meantime, despite giving the impression of trying to kill him. I expect his posthumous redemption will be tediously explained in the Pensive Exposition epilogue.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
23:22 / 18.07.05
Nesh: not as far as we know. Though he's pretty excited to be back on his broom.

although it's still pretty long, alot happens, pace is fast and language a bit more stripped.

I feel like I've taken a bunch of crazy pills...

Nothing happens for the first 500 pages. Or rather, the same thing happens repeatedly.


Pace is faster/language more stripped than OotP, and certainly not as mind-numbing as GoF. What can I say, I'm pleasantly surprised.

And alot does go on, in a metaphorical/world-construcing sense.

The pacing between D's 'lessons' and the external stuff of Harry's life is much better than previous attempts at balancing different aspects have been. We learn alot (that frankly we could have done with learning alot earlier, but for the strategy of not letting us in on much more than Harry) in terms of characterisation/motivation, which is, speaking personally, stuff I've been gagging to see for ages.

As pointed out above, she's finally done the slightest bit of character stuff with Malfoy, Voldemort, Dumbledore etc.

The Potterverse as created by JKR feels a bit meatier than previously, some people (not all, Tonks and Remus are utterly feeble) actually seem to have reasons (albeit often ones that seem a bit flakey) behind their actions, and the current drama is placed in a 'historical' context in a way that makes for a more interesting experience for me.

I also, as others say above, enjoy the stuff without Harry blocking the view far more than the main narrative, and there's alot more of this, from the start and throughout. We see a bit of the interconnectedness of events/motivations in a way that we haven't before.

Having said that, the Prime Minister chapters=utterly pointless.

The relationships, who fancies who, are tiresome and seem tacked on

Agreed. zzzzz. The only exchanges that have any vitality
are between Harry/Dumbledore, Harry/Snape, and Snape/Draco...

It's like mystical Famous Five with a bit more blood, violence and heartache.

Thanks, Nina, for expressing something I was having trouble nailing down. Perfect description.

Re: the Horcruxes: Book 6 of a seven-book series is kind of late in the day to introduce a whole new set of MacGuffins into the mix, isn’t it?

Yes, I think so. Found the way they suddenly pop up and introduce a whole new task for Harry utterly frustrating.

(And I can't help dreading the Horcrux-Quest, as it's almost certainly going to take six million pages)

But with all of that, she still had me finishing it and really wanting to know what happens next.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
23:38 / 18.07.05
Buuuuuuuuuut:

for Snape's sake, why, if Felix Felicis has existed all this time and Dumbledore's old pal knows how to make, hasn't D been dosing Harry/The Order with it thoroughout the books? (see also Veritaserum, Time Turner etc etc)

Why does it have to pop up so annoyingly now?
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
23:43 / 18.07.05
I thought Felix was handled quite nicely, actually. And Sluggo explains why everyone isn't drinking it like non-stop but clearly the reason why is she just thought of it recently.
 
  

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