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The Ashes

 
  

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The Strobe
15:37 / 04.08.05
407 all out. Jolly good show, really; bit disappointing from Bell and Vaughan didn't quite have the innings he needed, I'd say, but Pietersen and Flintoff get top marks. Plus, a tall that wagged a bit - over 50 from the last three batsmen can't be bad.

Now, what we need is a wicket before close of play. Set things up nicely. With any luck, this could be a really good Test.
 
 
astrojax69
21:41 / 04.08.05
only saw snatches of the first session and last heard one'fa one twenty odd...

looked an odd decision of ponting's to bowl given the circumstances as they later unfolded; hindsight is always so 20-20, but really, was this a big gamble that didn't come off, or simply a skipper's error?

i guess we'll tell when the aussies are all out - will that be tonight (our time) or will england's attack struggle to get the ball to do much as we seemed to? looks a very interesting match, wish i had time to watch more of it... too close to call yet, by a long way.
 
 
William Sack
08:22 / 05.08.05
Yes, it does seem an odd decision of Ponting's to bowl, but beforehand this wicket was hyped up as a potential disaster zone. Edgbaston has produced some really weird wickets in recent years and Ponting can be forgiven for just not having the faintest what it was going to do and deciding to have a look at what England could do.

People are now saying that it is a flat belter and that Australia could score 600. Well, let's wait and see. Okay, so the wicket was flat and McGrath was out, but credit to England for taking it to the Australians and scoring at 5 an over all day, and credit to them for sticking at it and getting us all out. What a fabulous day's cricket. I'm liking Pietersen more and more, and it was good to see him and Freddy at the crease together flaying it to all parts.

I'm not even going to think of making any predictions.

Big shame about McGrath. I read on the BBC web site that he could miss the rest of the tour. Yesterday showed that Australia miss him.
 
 
William Sack
08:26 / 05.08.05
Actually, BBC site now saying that McGrath hopes to be back for 4th test, though the physio is a little more cautious and non-committal. I hope he does make a quick recovery even though he's one of our particular banes.
 
 
Loomis
11:29 / 05.08.05
Am I the only one a bit concerned about the one-day style of batting exhibited by both teams? They seem to have forgotten what test cricket is about.

If the England batsmen weren't trying to be one-day heroes they might still be in now and be on 500+. Likewise Ponting and Martyn both threw their wickets away. We're four sessions into a test match for fuck's sake.

Exciting batting is well and good but I'm a bit conerned about the impact of Twenty20 and ODIs on test matches.
 
 
Loomis
12:23 / 05.08.05
Sounds like Langer and Clarke are playing some proper test cricket now. They've got plenty of time and we should be batting well into tomorrow and accumlate plenty of runs. If they throw their wickets away I shall be mightily pissed off.
 
 
nedrichards is confused
12:56 / 05.08.05
The King of Spain strikes again; you write off the wheelie bin at your peril. And now Katich has gone, 208-5 is as the great Richie says 'very much game on'.
 
 
Loomis
13:13 / 05.08.05
I think Alderman sums up Gilo the best:

"The reason he is suddenly getting more wickets now is that he bowls so negatively that batsmen get fed up, hit out and give their wickets away . . . I definitely believe if any of our batsmen get out to Giles in the Tests they should go and hang themselves. But I'm confident that won't happen."
 
 
Axolotl
15:27 / 05.08.05
So that's the end of the first innings and England leads by 99 runs. It's not a massive lead, but it's hopeful. Maybe we can draw level in the series.
Of course having said this there will probably be a huge batting collapse leading our hopes in tatters.
 
 
Loomis
16:36 / 05.08.05
Fucking hell did you see that ball of Warne's?! I just got home in time to catch the last over and watch him bowl Strauss. Ball of the century all over again!
 
 
astrojax69
17:13 / 05.08.05
dammit, no! saw hoggard's blinding start and then punter piling on runs, but little after and have just emerged to see that we needed a mcgrath ton - we are so helpless without him!

well, england to win now, rather? i think the australians needed a healthy lead to get a result and without one look likely to be on the wrong end of one. although that ball of warney's sounds delicious and this is a funny game.


all i can really say is, thank god we know the australians are human after all; i thought, "hmm, genetic manipulation and robotic nanotechnology gone a bit far after all, but why cricket?"
 
 
nedrichards is confused
19:53 / 06.08.05
Freddie Flintoff, you have personally expunged the memory of Botham from the national counciousness. I kiss you.
 
 
Loomis
16:31 / 07.08.05
Two runs!

*sobs*
 
 
nedrichards is confused
21:27 / 07.08.05
ps I think Alderman's almost toally wrong about Gilo. Yes, part of his effectiveness comes from deep video analysis of the batsman, looking at where he likes to score runs and essentially denying it but I think his intelligent varitaion is sadly maligned. Not least his variation in pace, of all the top class slow bowlers in thw world he seems to have the most variation in speed and the fast bowlers knack of how to use it (of course he used to be one before he did his back in). That arm ball that got Warne in the first innings was pushing mid 60's mph! Which incidentally is about the same speed as Harmy's slower ball that did for Clarke. Ye, he's never going to tweak it like Warne, Murali or Harbajan but there's a cricketing brain on those shoulders and with footmarks he can get some movement (eg dismissing Lara for his 100th test wicket last summer).

Also: Top game but thankfully there could only be one winner. We might even be able to do this now you know.
 
 
William Sack
11:06 / 08.08.05
I can't remember a more exciting test match than this. I could barely bring myself to watch as Lee and Kasprowizc nearly did it for Australia. I thought they both batted superbly for tail-enders, Lee especially, in the face of some pretty hostile bowling.

Yes, Botham has been the curse of every England all-rounder who has followed him, but I think Flintoff is proving himself to be world class. Smacking the world's fastest bowler over the pavillion...words fail me.
 
 
benj
13:44 / 08.08.05
Yes, well, congrats to England, I must begrudgingly admit. Well done, you Pommy bastards.

Though now our government has a majority in both houses of parliament, new legislation should help focus the attention of the Aussies - enforced exile until victory in the Ashes is achieved.

Second place is first loser and all that. No return to this sunburnt land until the Ashes are ours.

Return victorious, or return dead on your shields... Perhaps Haus could step in with an example from the Classics.
 
 
William Sack
09:41 / 11.08.05
So both Lee and McGrath are playing. I said earlier that I hoped McGrath would make a swift recovery, but I didn't expect it to be this quick. Apparently he was on crutches on Monday.

Well, we can't possibly have the excitement of the Edgbaston test, but this one could be a cracker. The momentum is with England, but Australia will be keen to set the record straight.
 
 
Loomis
11:05 / 11.08.05
Good start for England. Warne should definitely have been brought on for an over or two before the end though. Very poor captaincy by Ponting.

Also I reckon Kasper should be playing instead of Dizzy. Not only does he deserve reward for his grit last week, but England have the pscyhological advantage over Dizzy, and they used it to take the session away from the Aussies after Lee and McGratrh had built up some good pressure.

It is a real shame for Australian cricket that Warne's indiscretions prevented him from captaining Australia. he could have been one of our greatest captains instead of leading us into decline like punter and gilly are.

Come back Steve Waugh - all is forgiven!
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
17:45 / 11.08.05
341 for 5 after the first day. Well, well, well...
 
 
William Sack
08:16 / 12.08.05
It's looking very healthy for England at the moment and it's Australia spilling catches and chasing leather.

Well done to Warne on his 600th wicket. He is one of the true greats of the game who has done marvelous things not just for Australia, but for cricket in general. I'm not sure that I agree that he would have made a great captain though.

He has a marvelous cricketing brain, but that is not the end of the story. He is a fantastically talented showman of a man and I have the feeling that the responsibilities of captaincy would diminish his game. Steve Waughs rather than Mark Waughs tend to make better captains.

Talking of captaincy, Ponting is not doing to well at the moment. It does seem odd that he didn't bring Warne on before lunch, relieved the pressure by bringing on Gillespie when he did, and allowing Bell to gain confidence against Katich's part-time spin. And then there's the toss at Edgbaston...
 
 
Loomis
08:55 / 12.08.05
Ponting is having a shocker. He spends so much time between overs asking Warne what to do that it's embarrassing.

This match hasn't had the excitement of the previous two but it could be the defining match of the series. Ordinarily you would expect Australia to have no trouble equalling a first innings total of 400-odd, but with the recent performance of our batsmen then you really can't assume anything. If they bat themselves in and play a proper test innings then we should be okay, and then hopefully Warne can make good use of a turning pitch on the 3rd or 4th day.

But we need to finish England's first innings before we start making big plans. We can't let the tail wag like it did at Edgbaston.

I'm heading down to Manchester this afternoon and have tickets for tomorrow but the weather isn't looking too good. Mind you the way things are going I might have to start praying for rain!
 
 
William Sack
11:16 / 12.08.05
Yes, the forecast for tomorrow is not good, but hope you have a good day.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
11:02 / 13.08.05
Australia 210 for 7... Eat my spunky bouncer convicts!

I'm so very sorry... but's it's nice to have the Australians being the ones praying for bad weather for once.
 
 
astrojax69
21:10 / 14.08.05
back only today from a week of information exile and find it all gone rather pear shaped for the aussies, hasn't it?

poor old warney, the igmony of holding both the highest number of test wickets, but also the highest number of test runs without ever scoring a ton. o, the shame!

but 12 million to score on the last day without a glimmer of form above number seven batsman doesn't augur well for the shellshocked aussies. yes, i agree with the above that ponting rather seems to have lost his way somewhat as captain. has he just had *so* much faith inspired by him from the team's phenomonal performances over the past few years that he can't remember what to do in a real contest? poor chap.
 
 
Loomis
10:45 / 15.08.05
Ruddy English weather. Spent most of the morning on Saturday standing around in the rain at Old Trafford, then went back to town for a few hours. Heard it was to be back on at 4pm, so cabbed it to the ground to catch half an hour of play before it bucketed down again. We gave up after that and found out later that they came back on for a little bit more. Bugger. Still, it was good for the team.

Things aren't looking too bad right now. The pitch is in fairly good shape so in theory it won't be too hard to survive, though current form suggests otherwise. Ponting and Martyn are looking far more settled than Hayden was.

Another great match in a great series.
 
 
Loomis
13:32 / 15.08.05
What a nailbiter! I wonder if we can hang on. Great knock by Ponting.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
17:16 / 15.08.05
Yes indeed. But still - argh!
 
 
Krug
20:52 / 15.08.05
I couldn't believe it.

Somehow Australia managed to cheat England of victory. Sure, Ponting rescued the side but the rain! The goddamn rain made it possible. Not sure Simon Jones being there would've made a difference in the last seven overs but it was just bad luck. Really poor last over by Harmie, wasted half of it.

Ten days till the fourth test and I want England to win both. We've come too far, played too well to lose or draw ashes at this point.
 
 
William Sack
09:58 / 16.08.05
So close. This was just too exciting again.

These damn Australians really don't make it easy to beat them, do they? Saving that match was a huge achievement which means that they only have to win one match to retain the Ashes. But England are on fire and the Aussies will have to raise their game to beat them.

Ponting aside (who was just marvelous yesterday, the bastard), their batting has not been up to much and the 2 bowling stars had an ordinary game - McGrath may think of this as one of his worst 5 wicket hauls, and Warne was wicketless in the 2nd innings on a worn turning wicket. I also think this is now curtains for Gillespie.

Roll on Trent Bridge, but somebody please teach Pietersen how to catch.
 
 
William Sack
14:13 / 16.08.05
Apparently McGrath has just overtaken Courtney Walsh as the highest scoring number 11 (555 runs) in test history.

I was wondering over the weekend - who has the worst hair in this Ashes contest? McGrath, Hoggard or Pietersen? I think I would have to go with Hoggard's mangy straw mullet.
 
 
nedrichards is confused
16:12 / 16.08.05
Worst hair? If Gillespie isn't on that list it's only as a tacit admission that he's not in the contest full stop.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
18:51 / 16.08.05
See, that's what I love about cricket. The completely unreliable state of the English weather can save a bad team from failure or prevent a good team from winning. In football they'll send the players out even if it's been raining 40 days and 40 nights, in tennis they won't play in rain but they'll just keep going when it's gone until the game is done. But cricket, they have a finite time and are at the mercy of the elements. It's so English.
 
 
astrojax69
21:58 / 17.08.05
i must say, the reaction of the players was very telling, wasn't it?

australia clearly, o so clearly, *won* that draw and now probably shall rally and clean up the series. i'd be surprised at another result now, but the english are evidently approaching the same playing field as the australians - they will need to keep a squad of this capacity about for a few years to argue that they are anything like as good, but have shown a clear capacity to beat the australians at test cricket, something no-one else has really done for a decade now. great for cricket!

love that rain...
 
 
William Sack
13:49 / 19.08.05
Not sure what you mean by "won" the draw, astrojax. If you mean they scrapped hard for it then yes, if you mean that it was a sort of moral victory over England then no. Terry Alderman and Glen McGrath have been talking about how England shit it, because they were in such a strong position and didn't finish Australia off, which is a fair comment I suppose. However, I prefer to look at the fact that England really did outplay Australia in the majority of the sessions in the last test. Moral victory and points victory to England in my book.

I actually wouldn't be surprised if England won the series, and I was the one talking earlier about how we were going to get thrashed and how the Australian bowling attack was so much stronger than ours. Wrong on both counts I'm delighted to say. It may be that Australia do rally and clean up the series; with the talent available they are certainly capable of upping their game significantly. But don't be surprised at an England win. I am certainly making no more predictions - anything could happen.

On the teams for the Trent Bridge test:- England to stay the same, of course, and Gillespie dropped. But who gets Gillespie's place? I have been reading that Shaun Tate, as well as being quick, can reverse swing the old ball. Does he get the nod over Kasprowicz?
 
 
Loomis
14:26 / 19.08.05
I certainly won't be making any predictions either. However I have a bit of a feeling that the momentum is swinging back our way. While England clealry outplayed Australia in the third test, I think they will feel a bit down at having let the match slip away. They have played out of their skins and still didn't manage to pull it off, and that can only help Australia.

Plus with each innings the odds increase that Australia's batsmen are finally going to click. They have a good break at the moment to work on their ability to face reverse swing. Punter finally showed some form so we just need another couple to click and a big score could be on the cards. But then again it may not. Very difficult to call. I do wish we had picked a team with more knowledge of English conditions. Mike Hussey was outstanding in the ODIs and he has made gazillions of runs in county cricket. Also Darren Lehmann who has done well over here and is an experienced campaigner all round, was dropped earlier this year. He could have made a difference, perhaps.

I agree though that there is unlikely to be a change in either team, except for Dizzy. He has to go, no question. It's a tossup between Kasprowicz and Tait. My hunch is that they'll go for Tait. Although he can be expensive, that's not really our main problem. Both Warne and McGrath can contain the runs, and they need someone to unsettle the English batsmen more than they need dependability such as Kasper would provide.

A lot of focus has been (deservedly) on the bowling, and while it has obviously not been up to scratch, it must be noted that it's a lot easier to bowl well when you have a big lead to defend and the opposing batsmen are demoralised. The fact that our top six have failed to get a good score on the board has made it that much harder for our bowlers. They're used to defending first innings totals of 600, not 250, and the pressure has shown.
 
  

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