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The L-Word Season Two - Living TV, UK (Spoilers)

 
  

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Cat Chant
15:33 / 28.07.05
We can do better than this

People keep making me leave the house on Wednesday nights! People are brutal! I only saw last week's on Monday and I didn't see last night's yet. But when I have, hoo boy, you'll get more than the following scattered impressions from me:

Still not very into the Mark plot. Still don't care about Kit and Benjamin. I don't really care about the Carmen plot, either. I want Camryn Mannheim to come back and manhandle Shane about the place more.

Jenny, writing a piece of prose about a silent ballerina=you and a Ringmaster=Sandra Bernhard does not address her criticisms of your writing as derivative and overly-autobiographical. Go to the bottom of the class. And STOP WEARING WHITE DRESSES. And stop kissing people, I don't like to look at it.

Shane has become legendary! Sometimes I get pissed off in fanfic when characters become, like, superhumanly good at sex in an abstract kind of a way, but I think I kind of like it that Shane is so good at sex that she can turn the flower-delivery-girl set-up into a troublingly joyous encounter.

Jenny, you have messed your haircut up. It looked good when Shane first cut it. What have you done to it? Is it just your personality?

Bette, why are you listening to the man who told you to bring flowers to Tina's house without calling first, rather than to Tina, who told you (a) not to bring her flowers because it was lame and (b) not to go to her house WITHOUT CALLING FIRST? You are an idiot and need to go back to butch school. Lesson One: Cherish Your Femme. That's cherish, not bother, and your femme, not "some generic woman that would probably like flowers and shit".

Oh, squee, though, Alice's attempt to script Dana's break-up was completely hilarious and adorable and in-character and sweet, and Dana's actual speech made me cry, it was so lovely! And she could do it because Alice believes in her! And also because she is a genuinely nice and sincere person! And I really enjoyed the double-twist, where just as I was going wow, I totally see why she went out with Tanya for so long now, that is so sweet what Tanya did for her, Tanya reverted to being a shallow cartoon-character and ran off with Melissa Rivers.

(Is Melissa Rivers a real person?)
 
 
Tryphena Absent
15:41 / 28.07.05
She looked like Joan Rivers. Is she the daughter of Joan?
 
 
Cat Chant
16:52 / 28.07.05
Apparently.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
17:21 / 28.07.05
Oh my instinctive knowledge of celebrity families just hit a high. Possibly the only high ever.
 
 
iamus
23:57 / 28.07.05
I've been watching a few episodes of this here and there. I think it's great that this kind of television is out there, but the writing can be atrociously bad, which is a real shame. A lot of bit-players are no more than cardboard cutouts and the writers are constantly throwing out subtext written in magic marker on the side of big fuck-off bricks.

Step in the right direction, but it could benefit from firing quite a lot of its crew.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
00:04 / 29.07.05
Who particularly do you think is a cardboard cut-out?
 
 
iamus
04:28 / 29.07.05
The director on Shane's movie set. The head of the peabody foundation. That sleazy psychiatrist (psychiatrist? I'm not quite sure).

They slot in with whatever conflict the main characters are dealing with and they're not very believable at all over and above that. More like jigsaw pieces than people.
 
 
Cat Chant
09:45 / 29.07.05
Shane's director (Camryn Mannheim OMG I LOVE HER - I think she's a producer, though) and the head of the Peabody foundation (Helena) are main characters now, and the sleazy psychiatrist (if we're thinking of the same one) wasn't really a character - she was in the pre-credits sequence which is always a little arty stand-alone bit designed to set a mood or introduce a theme or a new character.

I know I'm a squeeing fangirl, and I know fangirls always say you can't judge it on the basis of a few scattered episodes, but the thing is that the writers play with the audience's heads so much that I think it is genuinely difficult to judge without sustained watching. Particularly in terms of the characterization, because one of the joys of the L-Word is the way they keep focalizing and re-focalizing the characters in and out of different modes of realism: some of them seem to be fabulous monsters/two-dimensional cut-outs at first and then turn out to have more to them. I was talking to Tangent about the portrayal of Tanya just the other day - she said we'd never know whether or not Tanya did kill Dana's cat in Season 1, and I said no, we totally knew: Tanya just wouldn't do that, and the only reason it was ever an issue was that she was originally being heavily focalized through Alice, who hated Tanya - then, in fact, it turned out that the whole "did-Tanya-kill-Mr-Pickles?" sub-plot was actually part of Alice's characterization, in that she was so crazy in love with Dana that she'd believe anything bad about the woman who took her away. So the "unrealisticness" of Tanya's portrayal as 100% psycho stalker cat-killer control-freak was part of the realisticness of Alice's portrayal.

Ditto with Camryn Mannheim *sniff* - i feel like I ill-wished her by asking her to manhandle Shane more, and now she is all sad and falling-apart, and Shane is losing it. Because Carmen is a bitch.

And what was the significance of Bette getting that sculpture from the sexy sculptor? I liked to think that it was supposed to be contrasted with all the gifts (the steaks, the cards, the messages) she was getting after being "meat-tagged", as a genuine expression of friendship, but it baffled me a bit, I must say.

And oh my God, Jenny is vile. The battle between good and evil was definitively lost for all time this week, with the bit where she went:

Actually, I think it was Henry-Miller lite and then GIGGLED BEHIND HER HAND to show how naughty and daring she was being, and then, in response to the TOTALLY NON-EXISTENT reaction of shock and disbelief, went No, no, no, seriously, seeeeriously...

I do think that Sandra Bernhard's belief that Jenny is the most gifted student in her class is just... wrong, though. Jenny is a terrible writer and the writers should just stop trying to convince us otherwise when everything we see of her writing is so lame. (Mind you, I don't think much to Carson McCullers, either, so there you go.)

Now that Mark is turning into a lesbian ("Why are you focussing in on her face?" "I want to know what she's feeling") and falling in love with Shane I have decided there might be a point to his plot after all.

Carmen is eeevil *shudder*. ("We simple folk..." GAH)
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
11:08 / 29.07.05
And what was the significance of Bette getting that sculpture from the sexy sculptor?

It looked like a mobile. It is to be contrasted with all the people hitting on her, but in the sense that she's not interested in sex with new people by the end of the episode (even though she was at the start, that's why she went to see the artist): she's fantasising about the idea of having a bay-bee with Tina. Unfortunately Tina may have been put off children for life by Creepy Britta Water Filter Woman.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
11:23 / 29.07.05
I really liked this episode, by the way, because it had little jokes that I was bound to love: A Bout de Souffle/Jean Seberg reference! Rick Moody joke! I'm assuming it was an intentional joke that revolved around "being compared to Rick Moody is not good but a douche like Hunter might think it was", or possibly "Jenny is still a bad writer, like Rick Moody"... Then again, I've never read any of Moody's prose fiction, and am judging him solely on his dire music writing. I also really liked the reveal of what the scene at the start of the episode was.

Also, meta-textual stalking! Mark started watching lesbians have sex because he was a l4me0r str8 guy; then he became sexually obsessed with Shane in a 'do I want to be her or do her or be done by her?' way; now he cares about her as a character. As speculation about the process some of the show's str8 guy viewers might have gone through, it's good stuff.

I had been starting to warm to Jenny. But her and Carmen are so appallingly self-involved when they're together, and as for her Henry Miller moment, SHUT UP SHUT UP KOOKY CHILD-WOMAN. She still has a long way to go.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
11:27 / 29.07.05
I do think that Sandra Bernhard's belief that Jenny is the most gifted student in her class is just... wrong, though. Jenny is a terrible writer and the writers should just stop trying to convince us otherwise when everything we see of her writing is so lame.

Ah, but does Sandra think this, or does she just think "shit, Jenny has realised that I and Hunter are fucking and that I run an extremely nepotistic ship, better find a way to keep her sweet"? As for the writers, surely anyone who thought Jenny's writing was good wouldn't soundtrack those little dream-like sequences with the music from Daisy's "rabbit rabbit" performance art piece in Spaced...
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
11:51 / 29.07.05
Last post in a row, I promise, but three quick things:

Was Shane's past in sexwork covered much in season 1, or is it a new revelation?

I don't understand why one would think the therapist who Creepy Water Filter Helena Peabody was seeing was "sleazy" - it seemed fairly obvious to me that this was something Helena had initiated. Weak, yes; sleazy, no.

Final moment of Complaining About Jenny: when your obviously-slightly-voyeuristic-although-you-don't-know-the-extent-of-it str8 male housemate who you barely know talks to you about his growing crush on your lesbian housemate who is supposed to be your friend, it might be an entire to include some element of discouragement in your response. Thinking about it, this explains, at least, why Shane would call Mark when she was having a drugged-up freak-out: would you call Jenny?
 
 
Disco is My Class War
15:59 / 29.07.05
Fly: Shane's sexworkin' past was covered in Season One comprehensively. She was a passing rentboy.

Deva wrote: ...and Shane is losing it. Because Carmen is a bitch.

Uh uh. Why does everyone hate Carmen so? She's so sweet! She's obviously in love with Shane: why else would she tell her off? But Shane can't deal, and this has been obvious from the beginning, and she has been an asshole. You don't invite a fuckbuddy around, have sex with them and then snog someone else five minutes later -- not unless you're at a playparty. If Shane isn't okay with Carmen and Jenny sleeping together, maybe she should deal with it like an adult, instead of going all passive aggressive and black-cloudy. This whole plot arc strikes me as a crazy realist and smart move by the writers: non-monogamy is actually like this a lot of the time. Particularly when a protagonist can't admit how much they care about someone else or refuses to be vulnerable.

I wrote this elsewhere already, but on Mark and the video-taping: When I was watching these middle episodes, I felt that they'd weakened the potential power of the whole voyeurism/video-taping plot by starting it up way too early in the season. He's already taping them: surely the only way to keep injecting drama would be a big reveal? But that assumed that the denouement, Shane and Jenny finding out, would mark the end of that plot arc, and it doesn't. Not quite. It also assumes that his character will continue to be 2-dimensional. I was hoping around now that on finding out, Jenny and Shane and the 'gang' would do something similar to Gina Gershon's revenge on her friend's evil rapist boyfriend Prey For Rock'n'Roll (which also starred Drea de MAtteo, possibly the worst waste of 2x supertalent and hottness I have ever seen in an atrocious film). They beat him up and end up tattooing 'rapist' on his forehead or something like that. Mark deserves something like this.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
17:21 / 29.07.05
I actually quite like Carmen most of the time* - I'd probably like a lot more if she and Jenny didn't have any scenes together. But I agree that the interaction between her and Shane this week wasn't one-sided - Carmen didn't know who Veronica Bloom was, and Shane's lack of communication about what is upsetting her is to some extent obviously her own fault.

*This has nothing to do with her being a DJ or indeed not having been beaten particularly hard with the ugly stick, I would never be so shallow, I am a serious documentary-maker, etc...
 
 
Cat Chant
13:15 / 30.07.05
Why does everyone hate Carmen so? She's so sweet! She's obviously in love with Shane: why else would she tell her off? But Shane can't deal, and this has been obvious from the beginning, and she has been an asshole.

Hmm. Okay, I agree Shane has totally been an asshole, yes... I didn't hate Carmen till this week, so I wonder why I suddenly do now - partly because I do think delivering a speech about how everyone in the world is sweet and simple and being fucked over by Shane (just after leaving Shane's roommate's bed) is just as passive-aggressive and dishonest as Shane's behaviour has been, but accompanied by (a) an assumption of moral superiority and (b) a close-up of a heroically trembling lower lip, which is just guaranteed to piss me off (cf Jenny "I Cry When I Want To Hurt People Or Get My Own Way"). But also because I just really don't get her, I think. Is she really interested in Jenny? (Why?) And why does she love Shane? I feel like I haven't seen enough of Carmen-the-person to know why she's acting the way she is.
 
 
Cat Chant
13:30 / 10.08.05
Finally got to see last Wednesday's episode last night (Tuesday), which at least means I don't have long to wait till the next one. Yayy!

Okay, well, hooray. This season is really hitting its stride now, and this post is going to be long and scattered, so I will put in sub-headings to aid your reading.

Why I Hate Carmen
Because she is very like my bad ex - let us call her the Thornlady - who similarly turned on people and crushed them if they didn't conform to what she thought was the Only Right Way to do emotions. As Tangent very perceptively put it, she was the type who said we need to talk (always, of course, at a time and in a place of her choosing) when what she meant was there is a very specific thing I want you to tell me, and if you don't guess what it is straightaway, that can only be because you are a really bad person, so I will be entirely justified in explaining to you at length what a bad person you are and how blameless I am. And Carmen really reminds me of her - I mean, if you see that someone's hiding from you, you don't walk in on that person unless you actually have something to say to them that might help the situation, rather than just bothering them. That's why I'm so overjoyed about

Mark Being Shane's Samurai Servant
Joy! Genuine selflessness; someone who is actually going to do what Shane needs, not, in the manner of Carmen, try and force her into talking "for her own good" as and when it happens to suit Carmen. That's what my girl needs. The difference between them, for me, was really summed up in the priest's line at the end of Shane's confession, about how she might find there are people who don't want anything from her "except to know her" - dude! Don't you know that's totally the scariest thing you could ever want from anyone, particularly a hidey butch? And that's what Carmen keeps demanding from Shane - that she lay her emotions and fears and stuff right out there for Carmen to look at and tinker with, and really, why should she? I'm with Shane on that one. Keep hiding, Shane!

I find it a bit hard to articulate quite why I love it being the straight boy who is Shane's knight, but I really do.

(What was that? What will happen when Shane finds out about the hidden cameras? Well, in answer to your question: la la la I can't hear you shush.)

Shane Is A Hidey Butch
I have just invented the term "hidey butch" for a butch who doesn't want to talk about it, which is a valid lifestyle choice - I mean, obviously, sometimes you do have to talk about stuff, but it's a question of style. It's just mean to make a hidey butch strip off all her layers of skin like Aslan and Eustace in the dragon-skin in Voyage of the Dawn Treader.

Jenny - Victim of Homophobia?
I have to say I would probably have sacked Jenny for sitting on my sofa and saying "Oh, golly gosh, I never thought of my girlfriend as a tomboy - I just think she's bee-yoo-ti-ful" rather than watching any of my movies, so I'm not entirely sure that Burt Connor did fire her for being gay, you know? Though I did enjoy the Inappropriate Slash Summary of the movies ("I loved that one with all the hurt/comfort - it was so romantic!")

Nothing else of enough weight to have a sub-heading. Loving the Dana/Alice relationship and the evolving discussions about topping and strap-ons - I hope that keeps developing. Oh my God, and Lara is back! Squee! I just don't know what's going to happen there, but on the whole my fingers are in my ears and I am singing la la la about what a perfect couple Dana and Alice are and how they need lots more time to get to know each other better. (They are good at fighting, too, which is always nice to see on the telly.) Bette is hopefully on the up-swing from her 50s-husband low point - I only had to tell her off once this episode.... can't think of anything else...
 
 
Cat Chant
13:33 / 10.08.05
this explains, at least, why Shane would call Mark when she was having a drugged-up freak-out: would you call Jenny?

Nuh-uh. But I think Shane actually did call Jenny, didn't she? I thought Mark answered the house phone and said something like "No, she's not here..." at the start of the conversation.

Thanks for the mobile/sculpture reading, btw - that makes much more sense to me now.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
15:46 / 10.08.05
And that's what Carmen keeps demanding from Shane - that she lay her emotions and fears and stuff right out there for Carmen to look at and tinker with, and really, why should she?

Here's how I read this- Carmen is trying to insinuate her way into Shane's life, which is fair after all Shane brought her in primarily. However instead of slowly getting to know her she's constantly dragging her into situations where Shane has to confess and pulling all the Catholic guilt into play. She disapproves of her conduct yet loves her? Improbable since she's know her for such a short period, she's just intrigued by her. The reason why the Mark storyline is so nice at the moment is that he's gently trying to understand Shane and despite the badness of his method you don't get any sense of violence from him. Carmen is very violent and she's always trying to make Shane feel guilty but never feels any guilt for what she's done. There's this illusion of perception but she makes no effort to truly perceive anything.

I think I dislike Carmen because I see my own stubborn faults reflected in her so vigorously.
 
 
Cat Chant
08:27 / 11.08.05
Carmen is now revealed as a scary stalker! "There's something going on with you, Shane, and I have a right to know what it is!" "We know we have the real thing" because, um, you slept with me twice and now I can tell you love me because every time you see me you either freeze up in fear or run away from me!

Scary scary lady. Though Shane doesn't appear to mind as much as I would (God, if some of the people I slept with twice and then backed away from with all possible speed ever tried that on me...)

I think I dislike Carmen because I see my own stubborn faults reflected in her so vigorously.

Whereas I think I dislike Carmen because I see my own stubborn faults reflected in Shane so vigorously. Not that I was ever a Shane-like figure, I hasten to add, by about a million miles, but there were a few years where my emotional resources were so scanty that I just was not able to deal with the aftermath of sleeping with people (like their crazy insistence on talking about stuff) - but also, I didn't have the resources to not sleep with people (which ended up being the correct solution). So I just go a bit rabbit-in-headlights at the sight of people going omg you fucked me now you owe me!! now you have to talk about your feelings, which is exactly what you were trying to get out of doing by fucking me!

Ahem. Okay, the two of them have some problems with the relationship between sex and feelings/intimacy, and those problems are calculated with diamond precision to hit each other's buttons. Cool set-up, whichever 'side' you're on. (And, if that reading's right, a cool way to get the audience to take sides...)
 
 
Tryphena Absent
13:07 / 11.08.05
Except that despite our faults we both still dislike Carmen. Because she's awful (and becoming more like Lana Lang).
 
 
Disco is My Class War
16:49 / 11.08.05
No she's not. Carmen rules. This is all I have to say. It being something like 4am and this adfter an eight hour writing binge. Carmen is right, also. Although perhaps that's just my projection: I want Shane and Carmen to be together so that Carmen doesn't have to kiss Jenny anymore.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
16:58 / 11.08.05
Carmen didn't have to be with Jenny anyway. That's the problem with Carmen.
 
 
Cat Chant
09:48 / 12.08.05
No-one has to be with Jenny. That's the problem with Jenny.

But Mister Disco, you have to say more about Carmen when it is not after an 8-hour writing binge (what is she right about?), because I must on some level be wrong about her being a scary stalker girl, since Shane is letting her talk on and on rather than calling her a scary stalker girl (as I would). So... well, she is right about Shane's 'invulnerability' getting to the stage where it's no longer just a flawed-but-effective coping mechanism but doing Shane actual harm. And, even though I obviously think she is not right about what to do about that (being firmly in the Mark camp of not poking the hidey butch with a stick but being quietly supportive in the background until the hidey butch pokes her nose out of her hole of her own accord), it seems to be working on Shane. And I'd rather not think of her as CarMary-Sue, able to melt the stony hearts of hidey butches through the sheer power of writerly wish-fulfilment, so presumably there is a way in which she's right about Shane gah pfft grr.
 
 
Disco is My Class War
13:13 / 12.08.05
Hmmmm. Why is Carmen right? I think there's a problem here which is that the L Word has a very fragmented and peekaboo-style diegetic form. I always feel that something is happening between the characters that isn't 'shown', which would explain why, for instance, Carmen appears to feel far more attached to Shane than it would warrant if they had only fucked the 3 times we see them actually doing it. (3?) But even in the first couple of episodes after they 'meet', they play it as if they have a more intense, longer connection than that. So for my interpretation, Carmen isn't being stalker-ish but rather acting on what she knows is there, despite Shane's pathetic denials. That is why Carmen is right. And also because sometimes hidey butches do need poking with a stick, because being unable to connect emotionally with someone but still 'want' them can hurt 'em? Speaking from experience as a hidey butch or the equivalent: even if it's difficult, having someone care about you enough to call you on your bad behaviour, rather than going with the flow and saying 'I'm easy', can be a good thing. Carmen is obviously of the Tough Love school. At the same time, Carmen's being with Jenny because 'it's easy' obviously sucks ass. Hell, they're all fucked up.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
23:02 / 15.08.05
Sex store clerk: "If you use it with a harness, you can detach the dildo, leave the butt plug inside, while you do other things."

Dana: "What, like, the dishes?"



Best. Scene. Ever.

Also, I think it's very telling that the idea of Jenny being in control of all those hidden cameras is more creepy and scary than Mark. (Jenny's moral high ground being rather eroded by the fact that she only found out about the filming because she has no respect for people's privacy either.) Mark, it must be said, is soooo fucked. He kinda deserves it, but still. DOWNFALL is coming.

Also, rightly or wrongly I can only say: go Bette!

The thing about Carmen at this stage is that I kind of want her to be a better character than she is. I would love to believe that Mister Disco is right and that her behaviour with Shane is based on something they genuinely have shared, and perhaps that is the way the writing is intended to be taken. But Carmen does actually say things like "You and I know what the real deal is. We saw it the first time we laid eyes on each other." That is to say, she does buy into certain ideas which I don't think are applicable (from what's been seen or implied) in the case of her and Shane if it is ever really applicable at all.

Not sure how I feel about the return of Ivan, although Ivan came out of it less badly than either Kit or Ivan's dancer girlfriend.

Burr Connors is a great character - just his overwhelming sense that he's already made the mistakes that will define his life. And yet somehow he's prepared to out up with Jenny (to a degree). I wouldn't mind seeing him become a regular character, although I doubt that's likely.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
00:11 / 16.08.05
even if it's difficult, having someone care about you enough to call you on your bad behaviour, rather than going with the flow and saying 'I'm easy', can be a good thing.

We haven't seen any real intimacy between Shane and Carmen though, no real conversation or exchange and I can't quite suspend disbelief enough to imagine the writers/producers/directors simply thinking, 'oh the audience will get that Carmen knows her better than that.' Sex doesn't mean you know someone- sure it's an intimate action but I'm going to hazard a guess and say that communication takes precedence when trying to start a relationship. Specifically communication on mutual terms, Shane went to a Priest instead of to Carmen and Carmen took the easy way into Shane's home. That suggests to me that neither of them are ready for one another.

"You and I know what the real deal is. We saw it the first time we laid eyes on each other"

I just want Carmen to shut up really. She's infatuated with someone who has so many problems that they can't commit themselves yet and she's not understanding that but trying to pull information out of them anyway in the hope that it will make them change. That kind of change takes years and Carmen clearly isn't that patient because she keeps trying to provoke an immediate reaction.

Carmen, if it's so special then wait and Carmen, notice what you've got.
 
 
OJ
12:27 / 17.08.05
The whole analysis of Jenny's character as a coming-to-butchness arc is fascinating. I must say I'd never seen it that way. Actually I thought I did immediately recognise the Jenny character as another (tedious) type: the pathological attention seeker.

Casting my mind back to university days and beyond, there were always plenty of drama queens of both sexes, who were drawn to being queer seemingly because of the potential for dramas, flounces and posturing. Not to mention being unique and the first person ever to plough their particular little furrow. Many melted back in straightness when they'd exhausted every limelight-grabbing permutation.

But anyway, I wanted to ask what people think about Kit.

In a straw poll of my (other) lesbian friends, 99% say they've got the hots for Pam Grier's character. (I can't get past Bette's great pecs/great wardrobe/don't know which I admire most myself).

To me, she comes across as one of the best-drawn, fully-rounded "straight" female characters in an American series of this type, regardless of being a token hetero in a lesbian lineup. Unlike any of the straight male characters, she gets her own strong story arcs, told sympathetically from her viewpoint too - and not just when she's into Ivan and therefore marginally queer somehow.

I know The L Word in all its glossiness is not very realistic, but in the sense that it shows a strong straight woman as comfortably interacting with and part of a group of lesbians, I think it is.
 
 
Cat Chant
13:19 / 18.08.05
Waah! Shane cried!

Sort of wish I'd been able to see Jenny's naked confrontation of the cameras as (presumably) it was intended - shocking and uncomfortable - but unfortunately Jenny makes me feel skinned, squirmy and wanting-to-avert-my-eyes all the time, so her insistence on using words like "intruded upon", "violated" and "rapey" just made me go Gleeshushaaargh. Um... which is to say that I did appreciate the analysis of the hidden cameras in terms of a spectrum of (hetero)sexual violence (especially in view of my sudden Mark-sympathy), but Jenny makes my skin crawl, so it wasn't as effective as it might have been.

Don't know about this Auschwitz-survivor-granny thing. Hmm. What's that about?

The whole analysis of Jenny's character as a coming-to-butchness arc is fascinating. I must say I'd never seen it that way. Actually I thought I did immediately recognise the Jenny character as another (tedious) type: the pathological attention seeker.

Oh, she's totally a pathological attention seeker as well - and (*grumpy*) she seems to have given up on her butch powers lately (that first kiss with Carmen and the confrontation with Bette were the closest she ever came), so I'm having to revise my opinion of the whole arc. I'm annoyed that I missed taping a few episodes over the last weeks, because I'm looking forward to watching the whole thing again once I've seen the whole season and have a sense of its overall shape.

I don't really have anything to say about Kit, which I feel bad about because I think you make a good point there, OJ. I like the ongoing good-sister/bad-sister thing with Bette, and I liked the discussion in the first season about their different relationships to their black/mixed-race identities. I suppose I always just took her for granted, though now you point it out, it is pretty rare to have a 'token' straight character who's so sympathetic and fits so well into the queer ensemble, without always having to bear the burden of Representing Heterosexuality. (Alice is good there, too, as the 'token' bisexual, but we've talked about this before on this thread, I think...)
 
 
OJ
14:20 / 18.08.05
Don't know about this Auschwitz-survivor-granny thing. Hmm. What's that about?

I don't know but that scene did make me want to say uncharitable things about the Holocaust, which is quite out of character, before anyone shouts.

In fact I nearly threw something at the TV because I thought "She's pillaging her granny's Auschwitz history because it's the only thing in the world no-one will tell her to STFU about." Jenny. S.T.F.U.

I'm really not so sure that the writers want the audience to revel in Jenny-hate this much. That could just have been a bid for sympathy.

But anyway, Kit. The sibling relationship came into very sharp focus this week didn't it? Very good conversation between Bette and her dad, I identified with that particular proud, frustrated and self-righteous way of coming into confrontation with a parent, so in that way it was realistic for me. Though I can't usually claim to identify with la Beals, unless you count wardrobe and pec envy.

I was also quite glad of the comedy this week - though I thought Tina Sparkle (is she a real guest sexpert?) telling the Captain that Dana and Alice were "coming into their powers" far more hilarious than the actual accidental dinner with dildo. So earnest. Perhaps she should run away with Jenny.
 
 
Cat Chant
14:32 / 18.08.05
And I thought Jenny was being hideously inappropriate just in terms of her own relationship with her grandmother, not to mention anything about the politics of representation of Auschwitz... Has Jenny's Jewish heritage even been mentioned before, does anyone remember? Because the suddenness and copiousness of the references in this episode - Pi-style Jewish mysticism/insanity ("copying out the Torah by hand") and Auschwitz - accompanied by a slew of Jewish-coded photographs, was extremely marked, I thought. I guess the writers are doing... something... here, but I can't really tell what it is yet (in the words of Rolf Harris).
 
 
OJ
14:38 / 18.08.05
Has Jenny's Jewish heritage even been mentioned before, does anyone remember?

If I were an uncharitable woman, I might say that I thought she was descended from manatees.

But no, I don't remember anything Jewish being mentioned. Not even when she got engaged/married. Her surname's a hint, but apart from that, no....
 
 
Tryphena Absent
23:37 / 22.08.05
I quite liked the Auschwitz stuff when she was alone in her room talking to the camera. Her confrontation made sense. The part directly afterwards when Carmen and Shane were in the room was immensely irritating though and yes, it pissed me off in the way that only Jenny can. I did think she was more funny than annoying though, I can't say why though, must just have been in a good mood.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
01:45 / 06.09.05
So, Jenny's total meltdown - how much sympathy are people managing to feel for her, and how much do you think we're meant to feel? 'Cos given that whole "queer women friends, come along and watch me SUFFER in an environment that I haven't mentioned will be hostile to you possibly to the point of being unsafe" thing, I'm finding it even harder to than usual, despite the revelation of what she went through when she was younger.

In fact generally the most recent episode annoyed me quite a bit - Jenny at her worst, with some moments that I almost felt must be intended to be found funny at her expense (Bette runs in to ask Jenny, Shane and Mark for help, cut to absolutely everyone but Jenny helping carry Bette's dad as Jenny leans on the wall and stares), which is pretty uncomfortable given the nature of what she's now remembering; the whole drawn-out horrible inevitability of the Ossie Davis plotline; and what was with the whole Shane and the Peaches gig thing? Is the idea that now she's less likely to get on stage and fool around with Peaches because she's, ahem, growing as a person and instead is going to, gah, go out on 'proper' dates with Carmen and shit? I like this not...

On the other hand, I kind of like the way Shane and Mark are somehow returning to something approaching a friendship. The prospect of Mark still being a regular next season somehow makes me happy, 'cos it seems kinda... Buffy-esque.
 
 
OJ
15:42 / 06.09.05
Do you see The L Word as being a potential new Buffy? I was just wondering as I watched the repeat of this episode for the third time last night (only semi-intentionally), whether it was set to become a long-runner and whether that would be desirable. As relationships are its main focus, I suddenly had a vision of pairings being endlessly split-up and rehashed. I think it was the Dana/chef scene that did it. What do you think?

But yes, Jenny. I've now seen the whole series (on DVD) and passed the point of being able to take her seriously, let alone empathise, quite a while back.

I think people's coming out stories do often involve an element of self-dramatization and self-examination, but they are making it extremely difficult to even watch her scenes - not because she's stripping herself bare but because she's so self-absorbed and hackneyed. All those sub-Angela Carter fairground scenes make a pretty convincing case for the directors having a blind spot about how tedious the character really is.

Although in fairness: would you ask her to carry your dad?
 
 
Tryphena Absent
15:45 / 06.09.05
No. I wouldn't ask Jenny to carry my shopping bags.
 
  

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