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Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, The Witch, And The Wardrobe

 
  

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This Sunday
12:58 / 08.12.05
After the after. Bloody moons and seas and zombies with serial numbers stamped in their foreheads is just the after. After the after: Mister fucking Tumnus. And that other stuff about lions and kings and icy women of enslavement death.
 
 
Ganesh
14:28 / 08.12.05
Would a transsexual be allowed into Narnia?

It's Daughter of Eve, not Daughter of Steve. Etc.
 
 
+#'s, - names
14:53 / 08.12.05
i dont think these are spoilers, really, but people can get all bent out of shape...

i saw this last night, and i have to say i really enjoyed it. the turkish delight scenes were super rad. it looked way tasty, not sure if tasty enough to sell out my family, but tasty.

The battle was a bit effed up, it was like gi joe, people dying all over the place but no blood. anywhere.
 
 
Aertho
14:57 / 08.12.05
But... are you going to church this Sunday?
 
 
Seth
16:18 / 08.12.05
The tagline: "This Sunday... the Church is coming to you!"
 
 
Mourne Kransky
20:05 / 08.12.05
Enjoyed the film hugely. Trying to think of anything that wasn't judiciously and well handled but cannot. Aslan was superbly done (and he might have been ridiculous, as he has been in other versions). I thought all the kids were great, having a poor opinion of child actors. Nope, no complaints, loved it all.

And the worst lines in the book, when Santa Claus hands over a dagger and the quiver and bow to Lucy and Susan, have been cleansed of Lewis' sexism. Little Lucy fondles her shiny new dagger and says she hopes she might be brave enough to fight. Santa says, "War is ugly", IIRC. In the book, if I recall correctly, he says "War is ugly when women fight." Fercrysake!

I think I may have to start stalking james McAvoy though, so deep is my love for him... Little furry legs. *Meep*
 
 
Mourne Kransky
20:12 / 08.12.05
And another thing!

Tilda Swinton is great, as one might expect, despite being handicapped by a costume that gives her one giant monobosom.

In general the film's a lot sexier than the book. Or maybe I was just a kid, more into Turkish Delight, when I read the book. I will dream tonight of Mr Tumnus gaily disporting a dionysian phallus.

Mel Gibson would have been so disappointed by the death of Aslan. No close ups and over in a flash. His version would have had three hours of brutal torture, without the necessity for extraordinary rendition.
 
 
+#'s, - names
02:06 / 09.12.05
YEah, I have to say that Aslan was totally well done. Actually, all the animals were really great. their hair & fur totally looked real, which used to be such a drag with cgi. Saw Kong tonight, the hair in that movie was sweet too. but there was no turkish delight in that flick.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
07:33 / 09.12.05
Cockney Beaver, Ray Winston, entertaining too.

Someone in the Grauniad this morning pointing out lack of frosty breath, which is true and I hadn't noticed. Winter Wonderland Narnia looks great though.

Lots of us rose and ran when the crap closing music started but ended up standing at the back of the cinema for another, short final scene.
 
 
Seth
22:04 / 09.12.05
Every movie should have centaurs, minotaurs, griffins, fauns, and actors as good as James McAvoy, Tilda Swinton and Georgie Henley. That was all ace. Plus great beavers.

On the downside, Aslan. Liam Neeson doesn't have the voice, the effects were fairly well done but the sense of scale and majesty was absent. But on the whole really faithful and a very well made, solid and fun movie.
 
 
Seth
04:33 / 10.12.05
Someone in the Grauniad this morning pointing out lack of frosty breath

There was some that I noticed, but I don't know about in all the scenes.
 
 
Ganesh
11:52 / 10.12.05
As I type, Xoc is flipping through the New Testament, looking for fauns.
 
 
Shrug
03:22 / 12.12.05
I went into the film having reservations about Mr Tumnus as played by James McAvoy for some reason. I think I had always imagined Mr Tumnus as much older and craggier in appearance (I don't know if this was an image reinforced by the BBC version all those years ago as I can't seem to find a suitable screengrab for reference). It could also be that from a childish perspective I always did imagine characters over a certain age to be more austere than they were actually written to be or maybe it was just a product of fierce protective instinct to a much loved fictional character, I'm not sure. But in anycase my prejudice pleasantly disappeared when I saw James McAvoy in action. Perfect and very loveable still.

Tilda Swinton certainly looked the part, re-imagined it I would say. She really had an otherworldliness I hadn't seen portrayed before in exactly that way or even thought to apply to the White Witch. There was a certain blankness to her and ultimately it was all left to intuit from those eyes. I had expected her to be more vicious in battle, although perhaps that was just vibes of Boudica/Boadicea in the costume design. Apparently Skandar Keynes was unallowed to see Tilda Swinton before the shooting of their meeting scene took place. I imagine he, like Edmund in the book, felt quite intimidated and totally in love all at once.

I had expected the White Witch to be a bit nicer to Edmund initially however, he seemed a bit too easily turned. I know that was partially the point but wasn't there so much more to it than Turkish Delight?
There was also that scene where Peter remonstrates Susan for trying to be clever/smart, put her in her place that did!

But anyway ecstatic that my childhood hasn't been plundered, a good faithful adaption that added to not detracted from my font of literary favourites. I'm happily going to read them all again over Christmas time permitting.

Edited to correct spelling mistake: Inuit-Intuit. The Eskimo thing really would've spun it on its head though.
 
 
Ganesh
13:40 / 12.12.05
... it was all left to inuit from those eyes

Swinton played her as an eskimo?
 
 
Mr Tricks
22:36 / 12.12.05
Enjoyed the film, entered it with a bit of reserve. Loved the Ice Queen's dwarf...

Some of the kids seemed to have trouble with the green screen and CGI. Is that the fault of the actors or the director?

The film seemed a bit weighed down by a sort of momentum to the inevitable battle at its climax. Loved Loved Loved the classic design sensibilities in those mythical beasts. However some of those battle scenes seemed to be swiped out of WETA digital pre-vis archives. The 2 armies charging into each other. The head Uruk-er, Minotaur stand on a boulder stuff like that.

Loved the casting for the Professor as well.

enjoyable and lite. IMO
 
 
Seth
23:35 / 12.12.05
One of my colleagues pointed out that in the final battle the White Witch was wearing Aslan's hair like a trophy. Can anyone verify?
 
 
Shrug
23:47 / 12.12.05
That could've been his mane drapped around her shoulders. It looked to have the same hue and texture at least.
 
 
Mr Tricks
16:39 / 13.12.05
That's what I figured. She was waring the mane which was shaved before his sacrafice. It gave her more of a "wild-hunt" appearance what with all the autumnal colors.
 
 
Spyder Todd 2008
18:07 / 13.12.05
Sadly, however, the topic is already at two pages over six months before the film’s release. My best-laid-plans won’t have jack-shit chance of effecting the skip-to-the end brigade who can’t be arsed to read the thread from the beginning. I predict that my valiant efforts will be thwarted

I just wanted Seth to know that I was arsed.

I'll probably see this this weekend. I still have mixed feelings about it, but a friend of mine saw it and said it was pretty good and not overly preachy.
So we'll see.
 
 
semioticrobotic
00:43 / 23.12.05
The battle was a bit effed up, it was like gi joe, people dying all over the place but no blood. anywhere.

Did I perhaps see some on Edmund's arm just before he took the elixer?
 
 
Jack Fear
12:13 / 23.12.05
So, after all my hoo-hah upthread, have I seen the film? Yes. Yes I have. Last weekend, in fact. My thoughts (WARNING: long and contentious):

To begin with the big question: I thought the film walked the amazingly fine line with the Christian elements of the story, managing to neither emphasize nor downplay them. It did this by being an exceedingly literal and direct presentation of the events of the book. This is the most “faithful” movie adaptation I’ve seen since Chris Columbus’s first two Harry Potter movies. It’s all there.

Which is, frankly, part of the problem. For all its skill in capturing the surface of the story, the film brings precious little of its own to the proceedings. With Peter Jackson’s Lord of the Rings films—which must be the inevitable touchstone when discussing fantasy filmmaking from now on, I’m afraid—you got a sense of immersion and completeness, a sense that these places and people had long lived in Peter Jackson’s imagination (and those of Alan Lee, Brian Froud, etc), a visionary quality.

By contrast, with Lion, as with Columbus’s Harry Potters, the author of the books has already done all the imagining, and the director is merely putting it up on screen. Peter Jackson, with his heavy directorial hand, becomes de facto co-author, with Tolkien, of Rings: Adamson and Columbus are more like translators: they’re trying to keep their on fingerprints off the film, trying to keep the directorial presence invisible. It’s safe. Safe, but also slightly dull.

Now, I can entirely understand this approach—particularly with material as potential sensitive as the Narnia books. In one sense, it’s a very savvy move—if you get the surfaces right, if you’re “faithful” to the book, the viewer can construct hir own subtexts. All the elements are there, like scattered jigsaw pieces, and the viewer is free to put them together even if Andrew Adamson does not.

But if Adamson (and I only now just realized what a perfect name that is for a director of Narnia films) is giving us nothing in the movie that isn’t there in Lewis, then those like me who’ve already read Lewis may begin to wonder, as events unfold predictably onscreen, just why we’ve gone out in the cold and spent seven-fifty a ticket (matinee price) to watch them with our eyes open when we could be sitting at home with our feet up, a glass of port by our side and paperback in our lap, watching it with our eyes closed. Yeah, it’s all there on film, but now, six days on, there is nothing, no image that will live in my heart the way that our first view of Hobbiton did, or the sight of Boromir, riddled with arrows, lurching around vainly trying to swing his sword one last time.

There is, I think, a case to be made for directorial boldness. I know I bitched plenty about long stretches of the Rings movies, when Peter Jackson visibly lost faith in his source material, but there were other long stretches where his pumped-up, operatic approach produced thrilling results, augmenting and even improving on Tokien’s vision. While Jackson’s auteur approach creates plenty of opportunities for things to go spectacularly wrong, it conversely leaves more room for things to go spectacularly right—for filmmaking that transcends and enriches its source material.

Adamson manages this only rarely, but, not surprisingly, this is where the film succeeds best—where it hews least closely to Lewis. The subtle alteration in viewpoint, for instance: The book belongs mostly to Lucy, with nods to Edmund; the movie reverses that equation which is as it should be, since Edmund’s cycle of alienation, sin and redemption is the central drama around which the events of the story revolve.

But all the kids had their moment to shine—admittedly, Susan less than the others, although I did think Mother Pevensie’s parting words to her—“Be a big girl”: not a good girl, but a big girl, as if they were the same thing—nicely foreshadowed Susan’s hamartia and her eventual sad end.

Peter, though, was a revelation. With him, Adamson’s decision to foreground the War came together with his sense of character. By making explicit the terror of the Blitz and Father Pevensie gone for a soldier, and by making Peter slightly older than I usually imagined him—almost old enough to enlist, in fact—and then presenting him with a hugely worthy cause and an army just waiting for him to command it, leaving him to sort out his conflicted feelings about war, which has, of course, just torn his family apart... I felt the ache, there. And when he loosed the gryphons with their rocks in Blitzkrieg style against the White Witch’s army, I shuddered. That, for me, came as close to a genuine Christian moment as anything in the film: I send you out as sheep among wolves. You must be as innocent as doves, but as cunning as snakes.

That’s my read on it, anyway. Here’s a question: In the scene at the London railroad station, there’s a slow-motion moment of Peter gazing intently at disembarking trainload of soldiers. It’s a brief scene, but fraught with significance—but what significance, exactly? D interpreted it as Peter scanning the faces of the soldiers, hoping against all reason that his father is among them: all their miseries spring from the absence of their father, Peter has been thrust unwillingly into the father role, and he’s hoping that somehow their father will appear, relieve him of his burden, and make everything okay again. I read it rather differently: Peter, a boy on the verge of young manhood, seeing the soldiers in their smart uniforms, off to fight an unambiguous evil, and longing himself to Do His Part For King And Country, to become a man, to achieve adulthood by swearing himself to a noble cause (setting him up in opposition, again, to Susan, whose own eventual reach for “adulthood” is spiritually disastrous because she confuses mere “sophistication” for actual growth). It may be both: it may be neither. But it was a lovely moment, nonetheless.

And the moments are what stood out, for good or ill, rather than the great sweeping panorama. The discovery of the wardrobe is, as I feared, blown out to heroic proportions, complete with ill-advised slow-mo—so that when the real big reveal comes, and Lucy finds snow crunching beneath her feet, it falls a little flat. On the other hand, when Beaver says, “Further in,” and the camera pulls back to a huge sweeping landscape, I shivered to my toes. The line is a total sop to the Narnia fans, yeah, but lovely nonetheless. I actually misted up, one of only two times I wept.

(The other? Well, I don’t really...)

(Okay, okay, okay okay okay okay: I cried buckets when Father Christmas came around, all right? SHUT UP.)
 
 
Seth
22:06 / 23.12.05
Mr. Fear rather seems to have nailed it. Nicely done.
 
 
Shrug
00:01 / 24.12.05
I wonder having possibly not read the books if kids liked it?
I remember an actual sense of awe at the appearance of Aslan in the BBC series.

Shit Trivia from Holy Moly(no, not that one): There was a swear-box on the set of Narnia. The worst swearer by a cuntry(sic) mile was Skandar Keynes who plays Edmund.
 
 
Sax
12:20 / 28.12.05
Well, I couldn't for the life of me see what the fuck that had to do with Lionel Richie's wardrobe.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
13:00 / 28.12.05
In the scene at the London railroad station, there’s a slow-motion moment of Peter gazing intently at disembarking trainload of soldiers. It’s a brief scene, but fraught with significance—but what significance, exactly?

Dude.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
08:20 / 30.12.05
It was interesting that Father Christmas isn't mentioned by name in the film and doesn't look much like traditional images of him, I don't have the books to hand to see if Lewis favoured the more pagan version of Saint Nick in the book. I wonder if kids who haven't read the books would know who he is?

Big shout out to the Witch's dwarf, one of the body doubles of the Hobbits in 'LotR'. Anyone notice any other characters?

I think Jack Fear nailed it for me. It was a Chris Columbus film. There was some stuff to admire, the set of Mr Tumnus's house, the battle scenes, Jim Broadbent stealing the entire film with ten minutes work. But also, there was a very strong message saying "This is a film for children, if you are over twelve then there is nothing for you here. Why not spend the time thinking about Lupin and Black?"

This is why I think the proposed movie of 'The Hobbit' is a bad idea, 'tL,tW&tW' can't hope to match ten hours of 'LotR' but is playing in the same arena so unfortunate comparisons will be made. 'tH' is also smaller, so making that it won't help but seem poorer than 'LotR'.

Tilda Swinton was fairly awful. To be fair the part in the book is fairly crap too, it's only in 'The Magicians Nephew' that we get a decent character appear, if the writers had strayed further from the book they could have made her a decent villain.It didn't help that her costumes were almost all awful, what was with that strange one she wore for most of the film that came to a peak round her back. It seemed to give her some difficulty moving her arms.

With the exception of Lucy I thought the children were pretty dire too. Again, this is the fault of the book, once all the children are in Narnia Lucy doesn't do much else and she and Susan spend most of the time wandering around aimlessly or being with Aslan. So Lucy delights at first, her first meeting with Mr Tumnus, annoyed that Edward won't back him up, but then she doesn't get to do anything else. Perhaps if the film wasn't so faithful to the book she and Susan wouldn't need rescuing when the wolves attack. Susan is always reacting, never acting. Peter's hero journey is also unconvincing, even though it's one of the few times they deviate from the text. I'm at a loss to know how they could really have done it well without some major restructuring. Some times you can get away with things by staying vague in the book.

The CGI was great, the wolves and Aslan showing how far the art has come. I thought the battle scenes were alright but again, suffered in comparison. They needed to think mor about how the different species would fight, there was a bit too much of just bodies being thrown together, they had the license to go crazy here and didn't take it. Peter's Army certainly didn't have much problem taking apart about half of the Witch's army.

But in the end I have to say disappointing. A faithful adaptation of the book, which is probably why it was disappointing.
 
 
Jack Fear
18:07 / 01.01.06
I don't have the books to hand to see if Lewis favoured the more pagan version of Saint Nick in the book.

"...[O]n the sledge sat a person whom everyone knew the moment they set eyes on him. he was a huge man in a bright red robe (bright as hollyberries) with a hood that had fur inside it and a great white beard that fell like a foamy waterfall over his chest. Everyone knew him because, though you see people of his sort only in Narnia, you see pictures of them and hear them talked about even in our world... But when you really see them in Narnia it is rather different. Some of the pictures of Father Christmas in our world make him look only funny and jolly. But now that the hildren actually stood looking at him they didn't find it quite like that. he was so big, and so glad, and so real, that they all became quite still. They felt very glad, but also solemn."

The movie took some liberties with the appearance, but captured the mood quite well. Interestingly enough, even my three-year old had no trouble recognizing him—and when he appeared you could hear a theater full of kids excitedly whispering, "It's Santa! Santa Claus!" (There's your obvious reason for not explicitly naming him as Father Christmas, too: American audiences, by and large, would be unfamiliar with that name. By just letting him be who he is, recognizable without being blatant, the filmmakers overcome that little bit of transatlantic misunderstanding with no visible effort. Rather canny, I thought: certainly more efficient than having to shoot different versions of the scene for different markets—e.g., Philosopher's Stone vs. Sorceror's Stone.)
 
 
Seth
23:17 / 01.01.06
Yeah, Father Christmas was a funny scene. It was the one that on paper would seem to be the most totally jarring, but it came out feeling warm and real and right in many ways. I'd put a lot of that down to the actor, he pulled off quite a feat to sell that, to have total confidence in the rightness of a frankly bizarre role.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
15:47 / 02.01.06
BoingBoing reports: A story issued by financial news agency AFX on Sunday... has left a series of red faces by faithfully reporting a press release from "the independent state of Narnia". The story claimed Narnia had walked out of the World Trade Organisation talks in Hong Kong because it was fed up with being bullied by the US and Europe.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
16:38 / 02.01.06
Oh that's lovely.
If only I hadn't been quite so hungover at work last night I'd probably have been arsed to check the AFX feed as well... that would really have brightened up my night.
 
 
wicker woman
11:41 / 07.01.06
...meh. I'm finding the more distance comes between my having seen this movie and now, the less I'm liking it.

It's just such a sterile, paint-by-numbers reproduction of the book. Any emotional punch that I might be admittedly mis-remembering from the books is completely missing here.

You can get into the Harry Potter movies at least in part because Rupert, Emma, and Daniel are Ron, Hermione, and Harry, a sense you can get right off the bat in the first film. These Narnia kids might as well have been Brother(older), Brother(younger), Sister(older), Sister(younger)... it's become for me a matter of thinking well, at least they're better than the kid in Episode I.

Also, I had been hoping to go and see this without the prejudices that come with learning about the heavy-handed christian allegories and so on, and for the most part succeeded. But goddamn if the whole thing doesn't feel now like a love letter to the kind of nation building Dubya loves so much; out with the "bad" ruler, in with the "good". It's not surprising considering the times Lewis wrote this in, but still. Nevermind that they're a bunch of kids being tasked with running an entire COUNTRY, apparently. Or that they can run off and abandon their posts without a single twinge of moral guilt because they've obviously done such a fantastic job.

Tilda Swinton remains my goddess.

Oh, and I think the LOTR battle comparisons still hold, especially after watching behind-the-scenes bits. Where the movie was filmed, how the battle scenes were shot, the seeming "let's see how many bastards we can squeeze on the screen at one time" mentality, among other things.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
17:59 / 07.01.06
It was only by the second film that I started to think that Dan, Rupert and especially Emma were the relevent Potter kids.
 
 
Jack Fear
12:29 / 04.02.06
This just in: Prince Caspian has been given the go-ahead and pre-production has begun. Director Adamson and all four Pevensie kids have signed on to return. be interesting to see how they grow with the roles, and how the roles grow with them.
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
18:38 / 07.02.06
from the article Jack linked:

While it remains to be seen whether or not the White Witch is brought back (she was convincingly killed in the original), the children find conflict as they help Prince Caspian, the heir to the throne, in his battle against his uncle Miraz, who has plotted to rule the kingdom himself. The children bring back the mythical creatures of Narnia, including the lion Aslan.

Forgive me if I am wrong on this but this IS based on the book, Prince Caspian, which, you know, doesn't make any reference to Jadis. Dear Variety.com, read a book.
 
 
Cat Chant
20:49 / 23.04.06
I just watched this on DVD. What is the thing that Professor Kirke, or Digby as I like to call him, throws to Peter at the end? A mothball? A (brown) apple?
 
  

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