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grant
03:07 / 21.06.05
Well, I think there *might* be something there, in that Odin *seems* to travel in threes a lot, with Loki and one other, who's either Honir or Thor.

Is that right?

I wonder if Honir shows up more in one period's literature and Thor in a later period or something.
 
 
cusm
01:33 / 23.06.05
if there is some chemical constituent of mead that makes it especially good for this kind of work?

It was also the fashon in the good old days to brew the mead with not just honey, but the honycomb itself, including the swarm of bees attached to it. So yes, the stuff packed a punch, even without random ethenogic nectars, for the venom.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
02:03 / 23.06.05
Holy cats, is that true? Wow.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
07:26 / 01.07.05
Found this site recently, which offers runic correspondances for those verses of the Hávamál where Odin talks about the runes and spellcasting.

From what I've been told by other posters here I think this originated with Freya Aswynn, but I'm not sure. Are these correspondances the same as the ones in The Leaves of Yggdrasil?

Also, I don't quite get some of the runes offered here. For example, the runes offered for the second charm ("I know another - which all men need - who hope to be healers") are Uruz, Jera and Sowilu. I think I understand why those three runes have been chosen, but I don't get why Laguz isn't there given its association with medicinal herbs and healing. Have I radically misunderstood something here? Or rather, what, specifically, have I radically misunderstood in this instance?
 
 
cusm
03:09 / 18.07.05
Yea, that's Aswynn's work summarized. She proposes those assosiations in Leaves of Yggdrazil as her own interpretation of the Havamal.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
07:25 / 18.07.05
Damn, now I really want that book. Must pick up a copy while I'm in the UK.
 
 
Lord Morgue
13:37 / 19.07.05
Here's a link to a series of lessons on Stav, the discipline based on the fighting skills, spirituality and lifestyle of the Norse.
Rune Lore
Wasn't there a another version of the berzerk, based not on the bear and Thor, but Odin and the wolf? I forget the name, but they were supposed to go half-berzerk and retain their intelligence in this state, and be much more cunning.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
14:35 / 19.07.05
The impression I've got from my own reading (and bear in mind I've really only been making a serious study of All This since mid-April so sodium chloride at the ready chaps) was that Thor isn't really related to the beserk state at all; that sort of thing is Odin's gig. I have come across references to wolf-type warriors, supposedly known as "ulfhednar" (wolf-coats). I've also seen references to a boar-type fighter.
 
 
_Boboss
14:40 / 19.07.05
i thought that odin's power was more imprtant and useful than the berserk state - i was under the impression odinism was the ability to keep one's shit together over the sound and fury of battle. someone's go to tell the berserkers which direction to point in.
 
 
Unconditional Love
17:35 / 19.07.05
I am intrested in this berzerk state and the definitions related, does it nessecarily mean a loss of self will, or a complete and utter manifestation say of a totem or true self, kind of like possession, say wolf warrior boar warrior, then the berzerk state may have defining characteristics, wolves are very intelligent as are boars, so would it be that perhaps the animalism is being related too in that oh no berzerk animals or humans are unintelligent, that notion that all violence is bad. and if the defining characteristics are of odin or thor or other deitie i think the idea of berzerk gains a different meaning. remembering also that alot of these definitions were placed upon such experience by those negative to those exhibiting it, to deign it animal and barbaric.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
23:13 / 19.07.05
i was under the impression odinism was the ability to keep one's shit together over the sound and fury of battle.

Odin's a pretty heavily layered bloke, multi-aspected and then some. On the one hand you've got this wily old battle-hardened general, for sure; but on the other hand you've got the leader of the Wild Hunt, and the fact that some of his names convey a sense of madness and frenzy, as discussed upthread. And then a whole bunch of other stuff to boot.

To give you an idea, here's a list of heiti (nicknames) for Odin.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
21:20 / 09.08.05
Has anyone here worked with Frigga? Only I've been getting pokage (as a f'rexample, EIGHT DEAD PIGEONS on the corner of my street). What would she like?
 
 
Bard: One-Man Humaton Hoedown
11:41 / 10.08.05
Völundr rómu........."Smith of Battle"
Faðmbyggvir Friggjar........."Dweller in Frigg's Embrace"

I quite like those two.

The first, I think, is very interestingly phrased. Not "god of battle", "patron of battle", or "master of battle". But SMITH of battle. He who forges the battle, forges the war. A director and a beginning cause. It seems almost a primal sort of name, really. And yet at the same time a more human one. Not a god, or a great general...but a smith who's iron who's craft is iron of a different sort.

As for the second...I dunno. Its just a fun epithet. A name that defines the man by his wife...but also raises the importance of the wife in that state.

Just saw the name page, and thought it was an appropriate post for this thread.
 
 
Bard: One-Man Humaton Hoedown
12:06 / 10.08.05
Eight dead pigeons sounds pretty signifigant, I gotta agree.

"One of the Ásynjur, she is a goddess of marriage, motherhood, fertility, love, household management, and domestic arts" is what wikipedia says on the subject of Frigg/Freya.

Perhaps while offering wine or beer to the other gods, to a fertility goddess offer the plants from which those beverages come? Wine grapes can be ordered from some specialty produce stores (we've gotten them a few times in the restaraunt as samples from suppliers), and wheat and barley are easy enough to find still on the stalk. Unfortunatly really when it comes to offerings my knowledge lies more with the Greeks and Romans, and is strictly academic in that regard. If I had my library here with me I might be able to find something, but sadly I'm rather lacking at the moment.

Perhaps, and this is sort of quoting your advice to me back to you (and I apologize for that), you should ask her what she would like.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
12:57 / 10.08.05
LOL... don't worry about quoting my advice back to me. I'm dreadful at taking it!

I have asked her what she wants, and had a look online with (I hope) her guidance. She seems very into crafts, the kind of thing that would have been useful in a household; I feel like I should offer her a sample of some home-made textile, perhaps. Spinning and weaving came up a heck of a lot, which really pings. One thing that came up was stories about people visited by fairies or witches as they sat spinning after dark--something one would have to do if one's household depended on spinning or weaving for it's income. Picture the spinster or weaver, sitting up alone with her craft after the rest of the house has gone to bed, perhaps with only a single light burning... And spinning with a drop-spindle is absolutely hypnotic; I used to spend hours spinning as a little girl, really trancing out over the work. (I can smell the fleece and the stinky homebrewed dyes right now!)

I think what I may do is make a spindle and use it as part of an altar service. Put out an offering for Frigga, then sit down and spin, see what comes through.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
13:04 / 10.08.05
Also, I'd be wary of conflating Freyja with Frigga. I'm already interacting with Freyja a bit (partly because I need her help with the falcon-cloak project, and partly because... well, it's Freyja, dude) and I don't see her as being the same Goddess at all. It's true that the two may have been essentially the same being at one time, but they are quite distinct now. I think it might be a bit like the Erzulies.
 
 
Bard: One-Man Humaton Hoedown
15:25 / 10.08.05
Quite possible.

One thing that comes to mind, and this is me actually remembering some old stuff I read once, is that there's some type of Norse magic involving weaving. A woman's magic, IIRC, though really magic was, as I understand it, mostly the province of women and effeminate men within Norse society. There's something about weaving...probably weaving fate or suchlike. Can't remember the name of it. LIke I said, wish I had my library around.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
17:36 / 10.08.05
Well, there's the Norns, of course. I'll have to look into the concept of weaving magic--sounds interesting.
 
 
Bard: One-Man Humaton Hoedown
18:05 / 10.08.05
If you don't find the name of it in the next few weeks, Mordant, lemme know and I'll check my library once I get home.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
23:25 / 10.08.05
It'll be good to get Frigga onside because I'm going to have a shot at brewing some mead. I've been looking into the psychoative/enthenogenic angle and also health benefits; I've come across some fascinating stuff about bee-venom. I'll report back when I know more.

BTW--one of the recipes I've come across calls for a spotted newt's tail. What's up with that?
 
 
Bard: One-Man Humaton Hoedown
23:44 / 10.08.05
Probably some toxins in the spotted newt's skin...and "tail" sounds better than "legs". Could be that the craps concentrated in the tail, which might actually make sense since the tail would be the meatiest part of the newt...no organs or anything. Must flesh and bone.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
11:07 / 11.08.05
I don't buy it. I've never heard of anyone getting fucked up on newts... and trust me, if it was posible one of my mates would have tried it.
 
 
Bard: One-Man Humaton Hoedown
11:08 / 11.08.05
lol.

I dunno...they're slimy reptiles. There's gotta be SOMETHING there.

Though how old is this recipe? Maybe all the psychoactive newts were brewed to death by crazed Norse mead priests.
 
 
Bard: One-Man Humaton Hoedown
11:12 / 11.08.05
...I'm sorry. Brewed to extinction. By default they would likely die from being brewed.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
11:14 / 11.08.05
...unless you tied a string round the newt and sort of dangled him in the mead-vat like a teabag.

I've got a mate who keeps newts. I'll have to ask her if she's ever heard of getting high from newt tails.
 
 
Bard: One-Man Humaton Hoedown
13:10 / 11.08.05
...unless you tied a string round the newt and sort of dangled him in the mead-vat like a teabag.

...Mordant, thank you. I'm going to be laughing at that one all day.
 
 
grant
14:37 / 11.08.05
Toads, I've heard of.

Newts? Never heard of it, and can't find any psychoactive connections. Salamanders, neither.

I've made mead before (something I figured I had to try, once), and the fermentation is pretty simple. I can't think of anything a newt's tail would do other than taste vile as it slowly rotted and tainted the whole jug. I have a strong suspicion it worked its way into recipes as a kind of ongoing joke.

'Specially since on the net, the only recipe references I can find are specifically to spotted newt.

ON THE OTHER HAND, I did find references to tetrodotoxins in newts, starting with the California newt but, it turns out, in plenty of other species, too. This is a non-protein neurotoxin that works by blocking calcium in yer nervous system. It's the same kind of toxin that's in puffer fish venom... which is why ground up puffers are used to make zombies.
This more user-friendly page has some lovely links, talking about toxic Japanese newts and other newt-related pleasantries.

Quote: If you were to do something dumb like try to eat or lick your newt, you'd notice a horrible burning sensation, and then you'd probably start vomiting to get the little guy out of your stomach. How do we know this? Because every now and then some drunk guy will dare or bet some other drunk guy to swallow a newt. These cases make it into the medical literature (citations coming as soon as I can dig them up), and we find that if by chance you don't throw up, the poison from the newt is enough to kill you.

So.

Tetrodotoxin has no antidote, but is being used to create pain-killers for cancer patients (currently still in the testing phase). Symptoms of tetrodotoxin poisoning include numbness, tingling/burning in the extremities, paralysis, coma and death.

It *could* be that this stuff is the origin of newt-mead. In that case, I really hope the tail was left in briefly and strained out before bottling.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
14:42 / 11.08.05
*Crosses "newt tail" off shopping list*

I wonder if this is where the whole "eye of newt" thing in MacBeth came from?
 
 
grant
15:37 / 11.08.05
Could well be, yeah. I should have also noted that tetrodotoxin is what gives fugu (pufferfish sushi) its kick. Apparently, there is a bit of a rush involved in eating the stuff (I've never done it myself). So, it's possible to consume tiny bits and not die.

I kind of doubt that's what's going on with this recipe, but it's still a possibility.
 
 
Bard: One-Man Humaton Hoedown
17:20 / 11.08.05
Grant, I've read Anthony Bourdin's account of eating fugu in "A Cook's Tour", and heard him speak on the subject. There is no rush. That's a myth. ANY poison in the fish is a bad thing, though apparently it's described as having a very "light, subtle flavor".

Fugu death, though, is not pleasent, though thankfully its quick. IIRC, it takes less than a minute or two. But once its down...well, I guess you're screwed, old son. Becuase I don't recall their being an antidote.

So...yeah. No newt-mead, I suppose, but at least I feel vindicated in the semi-truth of my previous speculations.

What exactly is the process of brewing mead? I've had it once before, at a Ren Faire, so that was pretty mass market sort of stuff. Was good though.
 
 
Quantum
17:29 / 11.08.05
Mordant, I passed seven dead pigeons on my way to work today. Is Frigga only associated with eight?

And, no lie, I am sitting next to a guy named Loki. That's his name. How cool?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
17:54 / 11.08.05
Not specifically eight, not that I know of. And this has been going on for a while, it's more than just the dead pigeons.

Where's this bloke from, then? Iceland?
 
 
Quantum
18:38 / 11.08.05
Banbury. And he just told me that at a Banbury nightclub he met a guy named Thor. Really. Banbury's a pretty small place, what are the chances?
 
 
grant
21:53 / 11.08.05
What exactly is the process of brewing mead?

Honey + juice + yeast + time in airtight bottle.
 
 
Unconditional Love
22:53 / 11.08.05
Grant is pretty much spot on, the link below has info and equipment lists.

mead brewing
 
  

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