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w1rebaby
16:32 / 28.05.05
I was trying to think of some answers to that question as well but I found it hard to come up with much that would make sense to an outsider.

Firstly, there is a big slice of the UK left who disapprove of Galloway on purely factional grounds; he's associated with the SWP and that is a huge no-no for many. Personally I find the whole "ideological purity" thing particularly petty, immature and self-defeating, politics as masturbation rather than a method of trying to make things better. I've seen people reject No2ID purely because some of the apparatchiks have SWP links and there are some right-wing groups on the supporters list - even though it's the largest and most influential anti-ID group; similarly with the STWC. I'm no swappie but even the fact that, at a stewards' meet for STWC we were greeted with "good evening comrades", and Chris Nineham was chairing, didn't put me off - it's something that needs doing.

I don't think the above is that relevant on Barbelith though - unless I'm wrong there aren't many factional members here (unlike on U75, don't get me started).

It should also be said though that Galloway is not the best advert for himself at all times. Imagine somebody who behaves as he did with the Senate all the time. He's not a great diplomat; his skill is in being a rhetorical brawler, something he does very well (making Chris Hitchens cry in the Indie I count as a definite achievement). He has a debating style which combines stereotypical Glaswegian hardman and overblown Middle Eastern spokesman. He's surrounded by smears, none of which seem to have actually stuck, but there often seems to be a slight patina of smear which is not adequately cleaned at the end of the process. He hangs around with some definitely dubious characters. His moustache is crap and he looks greasy. He gives off an aura of arrogance.

He is, in total, not a hard person to cast doubt on, and while he doesn't knuckle under and do the "damage control" PR thing, conceding, pacifying and so on, instead challenging any accuser head-on, that doesn't necessarily make him seem innocent.

There is, as well, a significant element that at best could be described as secular and at worst as Islamophobic and racist in some of the criticism levelled at him (again, I'm not accusing anyone of Barbelith of this as I see no evidence of it, but I've seen it elsewhere). Galloway and RESPECT were explicitly appealing to Muslim communities. Firstly, there's quite a bit of "ugh Muslims" that's involved, which I'm not going to sympathise with at all. Of the more rational objections, from the left I've seen him accused of, uh, I think it's called communalism - appealing to individual communities rather than conducting things on a proper class basis - as well as pandering to unpleasant conservative Muslim groups and downplaying RESPECT's commitment to, say, equal rights for women and gay people.

The former isn't that meaningful to me on a short-term basis (surely even if you were convinced that any worthwhile party should approach issues on a class basis, appealing to communities might reasonably come first) and the latter... well, I'm not sure. RESPECT's manifesto doesn't include anything about discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation but their resolutions do, it's fairly prominent on their website and given the leftie element in their supporters it's very unlikely that they'd do anything at all to discriminate. Galloway has stated that he is personally pro-life but that RESPECT is pro-choice and he has no intention of going against that.

I hope some of that is helpful. I can't give a very good account of exactly why people hate him because I don't - to me he's just this guy, you know?
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
17:07 / 12.01.06
This is probably the most relevent of the various Galloway threads.

George's reasons for doing BB.

I will talk about racism, bigotry, poverty, the plight of Tower Hamlets, the poorest place in England sandwiched between the twin towers of wealth and privilege in Canary Wharf and the spires of the City. I will talk about war and peace, about Bush and Blair, about the need for a world based on respect. Some of it will get through.

Get Back to Work George Galloway!

Dear George, please get back to the House that you were elected to attend. Your constituency has lots of problems, and the place is going down the pan since Oona left.
 
 
Ganesh
19:57 / 12.01.06
I will pretend to be Rula Lenska's cat.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
11:49 / 13.01.06
I will be voting to evict Galloway and intend to send him a fax to let him know why I've done so.
 
 
Ganesh
01:17 / 14.01.06
Because he's a thigh eating pussy preacher?
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
08:05 / 14.01.06
"I will write to the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards to complain about George Galloway appearing on Celebrity Big Brother but only if 100 other British citizens will too."
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:17 / 17.01.06
More BB trouble for GG: Galloway in dock for signing motions while in the 'House'.

After a long pause, Mr Martin said, to laughter from the House: "I do watch Big Brother. I saw the one about the cat."

I'm not 100% unsympathetic to the claims, from those supporters of GG who are still clinging on, that he has spoken a great deal about international politics while in the House, only to have Channel 4 edit/dub it all out. Certainly 4's claim that, due to the Broadcasting Act, they cannot air Galloway's views since nobody within the House is disagreeing with him, seems spurious. However, at best, GG has made a serious strategic error here. At worst, I may well have to retract my opposition to the charge that he is a man who at some unspecified point decided he would use the airing of his political views to achieve fame, rather than vice versa.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
20:14 / 17.01.06
Not sticking up for the guy right now, but fair's fair- apparently all the motions were signed on the 3rd and 4th of January.
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
10:46 / 20.01.06
I think Channel 4's position is something like if Galloway, an elected career politician, is allowed to make political statements on television without rebuttal it could qualify as the equivalent of a party political broadcast, something they're only given licence to do in specific circumstances. If so, it sounds perfectly fair enough to me...
 
 
w1rebaby
11:03 / 20.01.06
Well, what would count as "rebuttal"? I wouldn't expect them to broadcast it if he stood in front of a camera for half an hour and made a speech, but in conversation, why not? People express political opinions on TV unchallenged all the time.

Of course, were they to broadcast political argument that he made the spin machine would turn on them, so perhaps they simply want to avoid that.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
16:29 / 20.01.06
Did they make clear to him the way things work before he went in? If he went in with a genuine belief that he wasn't going to be censored and they did nothing to disabuse him of this that's rather underhand. I expect he'll come out pissed off and C4 will say "but we told him he couldn't mention politics and he was fine with it!"
 
 
w1rebaby
21:41 / 20.01.06
I'm sure I heard somebody from RESPECT say that he wasn't told that any politics would be edited out, though I can't see it on their site. I suppose we'll have to wait until he gets out.
 
 
Ganesh
16:02 / 25.01.06
Won't be long now.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
14:27 / 26.01.06
Here we are then.

Asked about the news that he could face investigation as part of a Serious Fraud Office inquiry into the Iraq oil-for-food corruption scandal, he said he had "said all I've got to say on that in the past".

He went on: "There have been all sort of allegations in relation to the oil-for-food programme. All of them are false. "If anybody wants to talk to me about them I will of course be delighted to do so.


Erm?

None of the reports I've seen so far seem to address the censorship issue, unless Galloway is now claiming that he's done the job just by being in the House and is refusing to accept being chucked out before the show finishes as proof that he's not liked by the great British public...
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
14:39 / 26.01.06
Here's fun- go back and read this whole thread in light of our post-BB impressions of George. It's quite amusing.

I think pornotaxi, in particular- "if i heard Galloway being called a cunt in my company, i'd quite likely have smacked the guy in the puss" may have to brush up on his fighting skills- there's gonna be a lot of punching needed, I reckon!

(Bonus points for use of the word "puss").
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
15:22 / 27.01.06
Galloway says he was promised a soapbox in CBB. Still he's not heading back to Parliament just yet, he's got another short speaking tour to do first.
 
 
pornotaxi
15:35 / 27.01.06
square go then, barbelith
 
  

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