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A contact episode with Loki

 
  

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grant
14:45 / 28.04.05
That connection is pretty cool. Vivid results.
 
 
charrellz
17:04 / 28.04.05
I saw that Daily Show too, and my SO was a bit confused when I mumbled, "Loki, have you seen mjollnir?"

On an upside, this thread has made me remember about my half-started Asatru themed comic, which I have now half-restarted.
 
 
Sekhmet
18:05 / 28.04.05
And now grant's gone rune-crazy.

Look what you've started, Mordant. It's spreading like a fire.
 
 
Unicornius
18:36 / 28.04.05
Hey Mordant, cuold you share the spell or the name with me, because I've been getting the same readings the last few months, and already went through all my family tree and associates and not one matches the description. Anyway, at leats not one that I know dabbles in Magick. Or at least the name so I can find it on Luckymojo? Gracias de antemano linda.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
18:46 / 28.04.05
De nada. Haz click aqui...

Uncrossing spells to remove jinxes or purify

A medly of spells, including the unbinding that I used (scroll down). Had to tweak it a little for solo use, of course. (Disclaimer: Haven't tried any of the other spells on this page, so can't vouch for'em. The unbinding one is the BOMB, tho'.)
 
 
mixmage
23:35 / 28.04.05
Damn Norse gods comin' out of the woodwork, I tells ya.

... is that the Gjallarhorn I hear?
 
 
Unconditional Love
02:27 / 29.04.05
that unbinding spell looks real useful.
 
 
eye landed
13:23 / 29.04.05
mordant carnival, i hope you were careful about your 51st psalm (or secular equivalent) for banishing sins. i think loki is attracted to guilt (and not just loki).

loki is also attracted to freedom. so if you performed a general uncrossing, you might have left yourself in a sufficiently pathless state that loki (the unconquerable) was left as your only guide. one way to look at it is that loki is so weak he can only influence you when no other god is around. i make a lifestyle out of nonjoining, which even makes it impossible for me to declare myself for loki. in fact i hesitate even to say im firmly in the nonjoining camp. no wonder loki hangs around.

i have something to add from my own ongoing loki experience. my initial contact was brought about by oaths during a ritual with two friends, who came to represent odin and thor for the duration. it was this triune dynamic that allowed loki to ride me and then talk to me. my friend 'odin' is rather more personally willful than i am, and our relationship usually consisted of him dragging me along (willing and bemused) on his crazy schemes. during a later ritual with 'odin', i contacted apollo--although i later decided it was apollo speaking for someone else, maybe zeus or abraxas. since then, my relationship with 'odin' has become more greek. he has become hermes instead of odin--bringing me 'messages' rather than involving me in his schemes. no doubt its significant that i told him to do so. 'youre mercury' i said, and he seemed proud, offering me pictoral proof (which i wont go into). this is a worrying dynamic in itself, but an interesting mythological recapitulation.

i dont think ive read it anywhere, but i learned it from set: the trickster/villain is the deposed king. a king represents his kingdom; his existence depends on it, just as it depends on him. when a king is removed from power, he has nothing to do but try and regain it. this path leads either to villainy--direct attack--or to a more subtle undermining of the ruling order. set mostly goes direct, unfortunate for him since it leaves him very little to do but bogey. a 'pure' trickster like coyote has no interest in rulership. perhaps hes transcended it (he is a dog, after all). loki is somewhere in the middle. his tricks do actually bring down the kingdom, though not the ruling dynasty (similar to sets story). however, loki is largely 'tamed' by the ruler so his chaos benefits order.

since no mythologist has been able to offer convincing evidence of lokis origin, its all up in the air. i think he was a stone age gianttaming fire god, the destructive force that worked for us (i.e. humans)--perhaps the first foray into anthropomorphic deity. through fire, he represents ingenuity as more powerful than muscle, claws, and the elements. he is a kingly figure because fire maintenance is usually an organized group effort (somebody has to sleep). i dont know about lokis status during the vanir days, or if he was imported with the aesir (i think the latter is more likely, making loki an asian god). but in any case, by odins time, fire was not quite as impressive as it once had been. it was still useful, but in wooden towns its a hazard as well as a tool, something nomadic huntergatherers would be less concerned with. so loki remained important, but seemed less impressive than the ability to win battles, so he was subjugated (ya right) to a ruling order of logic and competition.

im glad loki cant be needled, or he might be pissed off by that revelation of his primitive glory. haha.

thanks everyone for pimping the teutons and brining the runes back into my life. i thought i was going to be lost in pythagorean analysis!
 
 
Sekhmet
13:47 / 29.04.05
if he was imported with the aesir... making loki an asian god

Hooboy. Snorri notwithstanding, the idea that the Aesir were Asian is pretty debatable. Very complex issue this.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
20:01 / 29.04.05
mordant carnival, i hope you were careful about your 51st psalm (or secular equivalent) for banishing sins. i think loki is attracted to guilt (and not just loki).

Interesting idea. What makes you say that Loki is attracted to guilt?

Incidentally, I wouldn't say the uncrossing spell was so much for banishing my sins (although they are sordid and many in number); it was more for banishing those things that might be blocking my path, which could possibly include my own guilt.

I believe that this spell was what allowed me to open myself up to the possiblity that someone in my life had pulled a fast one and remedy the sitch.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
20:05 / 29.04.05
As to the Aesir = asian business... I was under the impression that Snorri rather felt he had to put that in to make his texts acceptable to his Christian audience (and his Christian self). "Okay, so there's these gods, right? And... whoa, did I say gods? Nah, I didn't mean gods, they were just these guys pretending to be gods. Really they were, uhhh, like wizards or sorcerors or something. Yeah. And they came from way, wayyy over there, in, yeah, Asia. That's right. Wizards from Asia."
 
 
eye landed
03:12 / 30.04.05
What makes you say that Loki is attracted to guilt?

tough question. i will try to get back to you on it. best i can do for now is that the dragons father came to me when i started to understand why i was being scolded (i was being scolded for a lack of respect for others beliefs).

i mentioned the 51st psalm because the page you linked to suggested it as an antidote for revenge hexing. i think you said you only turned a harmful spell back on its caster, but thats still selfish and vengeful, non? couldnt hurt to check it out. im gonna go read it right now.

As to the Aesir = asian business

im cool with the gods distilling from real people idea, mostly since i read julian jaynes (not that i believed a word of that crap). i also think the indoeuropean pantheons are best explained by the waves-of-migration-from-central-asia theory. possibly some deluvian thing too. but that doesnt mean aesir and asia are etymologically related. anyone know if its true that 'asiatic' originally meant something like 'florid' or 'baroque'?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
05:13 / 30.04.05
i think you said you only turned a harmful spell back on its caster,

Not so much. The uncrossing spell simply rids one of the crossed conditions; it doesn't send them on anywhere. And the unbinding spell in and of itself wouldn't reflect the binding back on the caster--not unless they tried again.

but thats still selfish and vengeful, non?

Debatable. All I've done is protect myself; if someone insists on chucking malign energy at my sheild, it's not my fault if they catch a little damage as it bounces off. Hoist by one's own petard and all that. I do not have a moral duty to soak up other people's hostility, or to worry too much about how a negative action they chose to perform affects them.
 
 
eye landed
01:36 / 01.05.05
All I've done is protect myself

ok cool. i thought you used that mirror box hex described in your link.

i cant tell, so decide for yourself if you were feeling defensive due to my accusation, and if you feel guilty in general. i might be totally wrong on the guilt thing, as there was a lot else going on in my own situation.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
06:12 / 06.05.05
Ended up getting my invoke on a bit sooner than I had planned. Yesterday I got the call from upstairs: Stop stalling, do it NOW. So I did.

No fireworks this time. Just that presence in the room, and the news that this isn't new.

He's been there all my life. From day one. I've been fighting it for years, but it's time to call it quits now. Accept his presence in my life and learn to work with him.

Funny. All these years I've been telling everyone I didn't have a particular deity that I worked with, while he's been shoving the signs my way and waiting for me to hang up my fluff-bunny slippers.

So yeah. Good news: I do have a patron deity after all. Whatever that means. Bad news: He scares the puke out of me, literally. Yesterday's ritual is a bit of a blur, not because of any blackouts or anything but because after I closed up shop I found it necessary to get very very drunk.
 
 
grant
18:46 / 06.05.05
So, uh, will you be wearing a Kirby-style green hat with two giant yellow horns on from now on?



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Here's an interesting story about someone "walking the path of Loki".
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
18:54 / 06.05.05
That's crap. He wears red, everyone knows that!

Yeah, I saw that website... doesn't reassure me much, though. Not keen to give up either my magical practice or my tenuous grip on reality.
 
 
Sekhmet
19:17 / 06.05.05
It's a better picture, though. And he also has a really good rune commentary on the site.

Hrm. From a Lokean site: "Because sometimes we choose our Gods, and sometimes, they choose us."
 
 
Sekhmet
19:24 / 06.05.05
Actually, this site is rather good, if you haven't already seen it...
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
19:25 / 06.05.05
Yeppers... those two are in my bookmarks folder.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
19:47 / 06.05.05
Despite everything, I have to say... this is where it's at, you know? I mean, Fuck sigils, dude. I've never had this kind of result with anything before. More faith in the literal, really-Realness of teh hmadgyyickz than at any other time in my life.

Just when you think you've got used to the idea that yes it's all real, magic works, it goes and gets a whole lot realler and you've got to deal with the whole thing all over again.

Magic happens.
 
 
charrellz
02:43 / 07.05.05
Atleast you can see the good points in your experience. Thanks again for sharing this with us all. Keep us posted, and good luck!
 
 
grant
04:42 / 07.05.05
I just noticed this afternoon that "Loki" is in the middle of "Avalokiteshvara," the first bodhisattva.

Not that it means anything, but it struck me as funny at the time. What with the Aesir business and all.

It's also the name of an Indian fruit tree, sometimes spelled "lokee".
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
11:10 / 10.05.05
Update? Update.

Head's a bit melty.

Runes = everywhere (walls, hands, signs, car number plates, tags, ect ect.)

"Energy" work = on. And I mean ON. I do believe I have finally made the breakfrom micro to macro-psi; can only move candle-flames at the mo. (can't move objects or increse/shrink flames) but we'll see. I'm being encouraged into doing this kind of Paul Atreides shit in relation to my palm chakras and it seems to be enhancing my skills. Still experimenting.

The week before last I was having regular "attacks" of ecstatic dancing, sometimes lasting a couple of hours. (Incidentally, I've dropped two dress sizes since all this started. I should write a diet book.) That seems to have calmed down a bit now though. Lots of unusual hyperkinetic physical stuff.

Divination = going great guns.

Researching Seidr. Seems to be the way to go.
 
 
Devil's Avocado
20:14 / 15.05.05
Ok, been a while and sorry to come in late but I thought I'd pop in and share something about my last ride with Loki;

A few months ago I had some serious problems and faced a harsh sentence due to inability to shift certain limiting patterns of behaviour. In an attempt to deal with these problems I worked with kenaz (tempered by raidho). During the course of the night of working I was drawn, utterly synchronisticaly, to an open fire in a pub where I got excessively drunk and bawdy with a friend. At about the point of leaving invocation occurred and things went nuts. I vaguely remember running over cars, kung fu fighting in the street, shouting at what appeared to my eyes to be dwarves (probably just neighbours on my street - lol), breaking into my local park, running wild and ending up under a tree crying my eyes out for about half an hour with streams of revelation leading to greater awareness/acceptance of change/loss.

Later at home, I was vaguely aware of believing I was imprisoned and expounding views of being resentful of unfair punishment. I believed that 'my' job, dictated by my father, was utterly necessary but he had sacrificed me in the process by abandoning me to punishment for this role. This was the point I felt bitter about and fanned the flames of desire to really cause some shit.

The next morning, covered in cuts, bruises and vague recollection of the previous nights antics I felt f*ucking amazing. The difficulties of the week before washed away and I experienced an 'inner fire' which lasted for about a week and a half. This opened up new avenues in my life and enabled a will-to-power (particularly materially) which is still going some three months later.

An interesting point from the thread for me is how many times Kali also came up during this period.

As to the 'dire warnings', yep I'm still wary of him, but 'underrated and misunderstood' makes a lot more sense than 'evil' to me and to be honest I find the Allfather a whole lot scarier and incomprehensible.

Also a thought about the transcendental aspect of working with the Norse.. what about contemplation of the Norns?

 
 
grant
13:31 / 12.09.05
I just discovered a link between Loki and supercomputing.

OK, so the big thing lately is using Linux to link together discarded old PCs into one big supercomputer. Way cheap, and just as powerful as a big fancy supercomputer like a Cray. The first one of these "clusters" was built in 1994 at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center, and it was named "Beowulf."

Two years later, two more came on the scene -- one at CalTech/Jet Propulsion Lab called Hyglac, and one at Los Alamos National Laboratory (birthplace of the atomic bomb), called Loki. There should be specs at the link -- 16 Intel Pentium Pro microprocessors, sustained performance of over one gigaflop. Or so says the Scientific American.

The pull quote on the next page, which is about people building a similar cluster for an environmental mapping project at the U.S. Department of Energy labs at Oak Ridge, has a Loki-ish vibe to it:

"Our room at Oak Ridge TURNED INTO A MORGUE filled with the picked-over carcasses of dead PCs."

Only not dead, since they were being reborn as a supercomputer.

Anyway, it seemed to resonate. I have strong feelings that Los Alamos has, um, metaphysical presence in the American psyche.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
13:43 / 12.09.05
Picked-over carcasses being reborn anew sounds more like Hela's gig...
 
  

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