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I don't think there's an escape from mankind's existential-nihilist fix

 
  

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01:55 / 15.04.05
I have an obsession with the Manic Street Preachers “Holy Bible” album that borders on the unhealthy. Now, I listen to a lot of music of all types, and there’s actually quite a lot of pop music I like, especially from the 80’s (and Jesse McCartney’s new album is quite mad fab). I could easily listen to Irene Cara’s “What a Feeling” or maybe Katrina & the Waves “Walking on Sunshine” 40 times in a row, and maybe that would cheer me up. But still, I feel like “The Holy Bible” conquers all. There is no hope in the grooves of the compact disc: The music creates a sticky web of despair, that is impossible to escape. It is like a Siren’s call one can’t escape from, and it perfectly sums up the horror and pointlessness of the human condition. They even used a sample of Ballard’s voice saying “I wanted to rub the human face in it’s own vomit, and force it to look in the mirror”. “The Holy Bible” is that mirror. It weaves such a powerful spell of nihilism, like nothing I’ve ever encountered before, that everything seems pointless.

You get involved in something with good intentions and eventually come to realize it wasn’t quite what you expected. That there were unconsciously agreed-upon standards that you just can’t possibly live up to. That you fight for respect so hard but end up looking like a fool. I've strived for the sun but crashed bloodily against a sky of my own limitations. I’m prepared to say that as a magician I’m a failure and I don't know what I was thinking when I took it up in the first place. I simply cannot see things from your people’s viewpoints, try as hard as I might. I would like to believe that everyone you meet has something to offer to you, but I do not find this to be true. I’ve seen teenagers stomping on fuzzy caterpillars for no apparent reason: We’re wired to cause suffering. A small nihilistic part of me can associate with such thinking, I’m sad to say. A part of me wants to see other people suffer, wants everyone to be a miserable as I am. Happy people annoy me. People who appear to have their lives in order annoy me. I want to see Zen masters lose all confidence. And Yoga practioneers. And so on and so on. Drag them down screaming to my level. Because as long as I know someone out there is having fun, enjoying life, it’s a mockery to me, as bad as that mysterious laughter the narrator is mocked by in “The Fall”. This is childish thinking, but I don’t care anymore. I’m sick of jockeying for respect from people who loathe me, who I don’t even know in real life. I’m sorry, you were wrong about me, I can’t live up to your lofty standards, most of which seem to involve having sex and friends (well, I have some of the latter, but not much). “This rough magic I here abjure”. I’ve been catholic, atheist, a chaos magician, a gnostic, everything, and still, have found no answer to satisfy me. I don’t really think there is an answer. You know, I wanted magic to be a big glamorous thing but it seems that people on here who view it that way get mocked by the elite.

A long, long time ago I did a thread in the Temple about how I was thinking of joining a local charter of the O.T.O that was forming in my area. I had been in correspondence with the leading members of it for awhile and they took an interest in me, in fact of all the potential candidates they were especially keen to meet me, based on our conversations and certain viewpoints I had expressed. I’ll admit it: I cracked. I really wanted to earn their respect, to be seen as a good magician for once, but eventually I realized I could never live up to the hype, that once they’d meet me they’d see that I was nothing more then a walking bundle of clichés and neurosis with a borderline personality. Besides, I couldn’t figure out how to drive to the meetings and even the bus schedule proved too complex to figure out. That’s all old shit. It was months ago. Since then there’s been many meetings, many gatherings, but I’ve been to none of them: It’s moved on without me (I still keep in contact with the members online though, but I think they joke about me at their meetings… or maybe I’m just being paranoid).

Fuck it. I should be happy. Have a new computer after years of using a beat-up old one. I’m respected at my place of employment, have a loving family, am saving up for a new apartment, yet still, there is no happiness, no contentment. There is a perpetual dark cloud hanging over me I will never shake. My health worsens: I’m convinced I have a fatal illness (granted, I’ve thought this for years now, but I’m bound to be right sooner or later). There’s no point, no escape, everything is falling apart. Every breath is pain, just getting through the day has become an almost unbearable exercise. I’m in too much pain to write: I’ll never be published, never be recognized, never brighten the world with art. I’m the punch line of the universe’s existential joke: For years I’m teased with artistic ability and it was all for nothing. My magical pursuits were lunacy, a waste of time. I will never find the holy grail I seek. The future is empty and hopeless, and I have no idea where my life is going. It’s all a waste.

How transparent this must all seem to you. A pathetic cry for help, straining to receive the attention and respect of people who don’t give a toss about me anyway. And it’s not even good writing here, just tired hackneyed trite rubbish. And you’ve heard all this shit before anyway. Yeah yeah, I’m a broken record. Some of you backstabbed me, and that’s totally uncool. So yeah, I’ll be your figure of mockery one last time, Barbelith’s last stupid existential idealist. Xyu, Firewave, whatever, you can take the crown now, you’re almost my mini-me as it is (just you’re slightly older then I am, so maybe I’m your mini-me. This is a train of thought I don’t want to pursue). Ciao. Don’t respond to this, you’ll just be feeding into my pathetic little cries for attention I try to get via extreme, inappropriate behaviour such as this thread which I know will embarrass me later but I don’t care fuck it. What’s the point of anything?
 
 
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02:00 / 15.04.05
PS Don't mistake this for a suicide note, I don't want to die, I just don't know how to live.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
02:50 / 15.04.05
Throw the Holy Bible in the bin and buy 'Don't bore us, get to the chorus', Roxette's greatest hits album. It's the only thing that can save you now.
 
 
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02:51 / 15.04.05
Xyu, Firewave, whatever, you can take the crown now, you’re almost my mini-me

Almost, well I'm flattered! You wouldn't be projecting by any chance would you, Sypha?

I think you're going through what I went through a while back. I used to have fears about having this and that illness, feel that everything was pointless all the time, etc, etc. But I think that's just life. Also, living at home with family can be an awful drag. It's like you feel trapped in the very place you grew up in and just can't escape. But that's wrong, and I'll bet that as soon as you do end up leaving and getting your own place, your health and creativity will take a big turn for the better.

Hang in there Sypha, you can get through this.
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
04:12 / 15.04.05
Throw the Holy Bible in the bin and buy 'Don't bore us, get to the chorus', Roxette's greatest hits album. It's the only thing that can save you now.

2nd'd
 
 
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04:14 / 15.04.05
Sorry Xyu, no slight intended. I have a small impulse control problem. Usually I can keep it in check, but it's been bad recently. Ugh, moderators, please shut this thread down, it was conceived in a moment of chaotic passion (damn BPD) and it's not saying anything new. Lock it, delete it, anything!
 
 
agvvv
04:17 / 15.04.05
Words of wisdom Nina
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
05:38 / 15.04.05
PS Don't mistake this for a suicide note, I don't want to die, I just don't know how to live.

Hint: look closely at a typical golden era existentialist. Black beret, nasty camel-shit fags, black polo, black trousers, unbathed in a manly way, unruly hair. Don't you get a slight feeling that

1. it's performance
2. it's about sex
3. it's all a bit self-consciously tragic?

Now compare and contrast the outfit with that ofMarcel Marceau.

Get the idea? Existentialist angst requires a wallop of self-love the size of Canada. Kick back. Get the joke. Move on.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
06:49 / 15.04.05
Don't listen to Nick. He's a dirty nihilist.
 
 
unheimlich manoeuvre
06:59 / 15.04.05
In Bogotá, Colombia Mimes Patrolled the Streets and the Mayor Was Superman.
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
07:14 / 15.04.05
Don't listen to Nina. She's part of the Roxette Conspiracy, and liable to brainwash you with Borecore masquerading as Joycore. It's all a clever subterfuge. Resist.

Nick is your friend, as am I. The thing is, you can pat yourself on the back - you are absolutely, and I mean 100%, correct. That's your lot. It's all completely meaningless, you are a cosmic pun, a really cringe-making corny one, and there is no point whatsoever to your brief attempt to make something out of it all. Suicide is not to be ruled out here.

So. There we are.

Now what shall we do?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
07:40 / 15.04.05
Has anyone considered the potential benefits of getting a monkey?
 
 
Tryphena Absent
07:50 / 15.04.05


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Regrettable Juvenilia
08:24 / 15.04.05
Some of you backstabbed me, and that’s totally uncool.

Sounds terrible! Still, at least many people here, especially in the Temple, have patiently devoted an incredibly amount of words, time and tolerance to trying to help you out of the your self-made rut. That was nice of them, wasn't it?
 
 
illmatic
09:33 / 15.04.05
incredibly amount of words, time and tolerance

Initially at least. Now it really is more about pisstaking, if not exasperation.

Sypha, with all your fascination for magick and the many words on it in The Temple, I've still never been able to figure out what you actually did as part of your practise. If anything, apart from write about it.

Not all of it works as promised but you have to try it out, adapt and jettison as you see fit. It's a learning curve, and they're aren't any easy answers.

If you do think it's all a load of shit, then you can burn all your books and turn to something else, like psychotherapy. Or Roxette.
 
 
Seth
10:26 / 15.04.05
The Holy Bible was one of my formative influences, but the effects of having it as a worldview are well documented in Manics biographies and the music press.

Almost everything on the album has at least some ring of truth. The huge problem with mistaking Richie's world for the world is that a lot of other stuff that he doesn't mention is true as well.

Sypha: So far your magic hasn't improved you life significantly or made you any happier. It seems to only serve as a fantasy which distracts you from putting in the work to be happy.

That's a hard thing to hear and I hope you take it in the spirit it's meant. No problem is insurmountable, but life is difficult and it sometimes hurts on the way to getting what you want.

Therapy sounds like a really good plan.
 
 
agvvv
10:28 / 15.04.05
Has anyone considered the potential benefits of getting a monkey?

Yes
 
 
w1rebaby
10:43 / 15.04.05
I think Mordant's offering free monkeys with every Tarot reading.
 
 
JOY NO WRY
10:44 / 15.04.05
We're wired to cause suffering

However we're wired, I think a lot of what it means to be 'human' is conquering your instincts to try to make things better.

I'm nineteen, and about two years ago, walking down the street I saw a fuzzy catapillar with a blue spike growing out of its head. I thought it was wierd and cool and I was just about to stomp on it when somebody I cared about asked me what the hell I was doing. I stopped, and we watched it until it crawled safely across the path, and got into a bush.

I was about to engage in some thoughtless cruelty, but one question was all it took to make me think about it. We learn as we go along how to improve things. I haven't done that kind of stupid thing since.
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
11:15 / 15.04.05
Has anyone considered the benfits of an army of robot monkeys, with laser eyes?

Well, Haus obviously, but anyone else?
 
 
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12:04 / 15.04.05
It disappoints me that the moderators didn't lock this thread. As usual it's just degenerating into "wacky" thread-rot silliness (if you find monkeys funny... I don't). Really, there's no reason for anyone to reply to, or even look at this thread. As for magic, I don't like discussing something that's personal. Fortunetly for everyone else I'll be avoiding the Temple like the plague from now.
 
 
alejandrodelloco
12:22 / 15.04.05
We need more monkey threads, though.....

 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
12:23 / 15.04.05
Monkeys aren't *funny*. They're life-saving.

I think it's tricky. If you're serious about wanting this thread locked or deleted, we can certainly look at that, but at the same time it leaves a bad taste in my mouth that you can accuse others of stabbing you in the back and then shut off opportunities for responses, or that other people should have their posts deleted because you want yours deleted. It's a judgement call thing - I'd suggest putting a post in the "moderation requests by non-moderators" thread in the Policy, and then moderators can decide whether it shoudl be locked or deleted and vote on it.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
12:26 / 15.04.05
Well, yes, Sypha, there are monkey gags and general silliness in the thread. There are also people offering words of genuine support and compassion, again, which you're choosing to ignore. Again. Don't you see that this is actually rather hurtful (and likely to provoke attacks of monkeys)?
 
 
_Boboss
13:16 / 15.04.05
get their first album! smiling in no time!

everybody:

NATWEST!
NATWEST BARCLAYS MIDLAND LLOYDS!
BLACK HORSE APOCALYPSE!
DEATH SANITISED THROUGH CREDIT!
 
 
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16:58 / 15.04.05
It disappoints me that the moderators didn't lock this thread.

been there,

As usual it's just degenerating into "wacky" thread-rot silliness

seen that,

I'll be avoiding the Temple like the plague from now.

tried that too,

I'm here because I feel bad that you have to go through this, I've had it too and just wanted to add one or two things :

I last did this a couple of months back, after doing it all too often, and the next day when reading through it, I did actually realize how futile it all was to even make the damn thread in the firstplace. I just started posting back in it again and cheering up. About a week after the thing had been made, a lot of things started getting better for me. I saw that what I was doing was taking everything far too seriously and thinking that my life was far, far worse that many other peoples. It was all a bit daft really, and I just felt selfish that people here had been spending time trying to help me and that I was making some of them feel bad in return. There's probably people that feel pretty much the same way as you do, but they just don't make a thread about it. Then a couple of days later it passes and they feel fine. (hence : no point in making the thread, it'll more than likely pass)

It will probably be the same for you. Also, distancing myself from any obsession with magick quite a bit led me to the ability to see things clearer. It's wierd how not being obsessed with magick can sometimes give you just what you need. Everything is part of what you call 'magick' whether you practise it or not if you want to think like that, and it's cool. Cool like Monkeys, and erm.......The Melvins.

Oh yeah, and not having the desire to make this type of thread leaves you with a cool content-like feeling, like you've just stepped off a roundabout or something.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
23:15 / 15.04.05
Look Sypha, when I was 16 all of the people I knew who listened to The Holy Bible cried themselves to sleep with tears of angst every night. They were depressed and purposefully wallowing in their depression and the fact that they were listening to an album made by a man who was in the midst of a huge life crisis didn't help. So when I told you to listen to Roxette, it was half a fucking joke because frankly, dude, you need to join the joyride.

Part of your problem with this board is that you don't bother to read the things that people write to you, in fact you ignore most of the pertinent advice and a lot of it is from people older, wiser and more experienced then you. In Temple you have had the benefit of people who've been practising a huge number of magical forms for varying amounts of time. You've got ex and current chaos practitioners, people who know oodles about tantra and voodoo and people who've managed to hybrid their magic into something most of us have never seen but you haven't bloody soaked up what they've told you. Magic isn't theory, it's about standing up and fucking taking it from whatever you've called up and it's about experiencing the wrong things and the right things. There is no answer, it's not about answers or getting what you want, it never has been and it never will be, it's about relationships. What is a sigil except a thing that you let go? What is a god except someone that you talk to?

You know what your post above tells me: you've shut yourself away, you've avoided human contact because you're scared, you've locked yourself in a room with a computer and listened to one of the most upsetting musical constructions of the 20th century. So fucking get up off your arse and start interacting with people. It's up to you to repair your life and you're perfectly capable of it and no, we won't lock a thread because you want us to because it's not going how you wanted it to. This board is about everyone exchanging.

As for that thread title- I recommend "Existentialism and Humanism" by Jean Paul Sartre.
 
 
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23:35 / 15.04.05
Well, the deletion thing was more revelant back at the start of the thread when barely anyone had responded, obviously it's out of the question now. This is why some messageboards let you edit your own posts without asking for permission (actually, this is the only messageboard I've ever frequented where you need to get ask for edits on your own posts... what is up with that?) Responses from others on the backstabbing thing is pointless because they have no idea what I'm referring to and I'm not even naming names. Anyway, only a few people here have backstabbed me, it's not like a group activity. You know who you are.

I just think a locked thread would be more effecient because right now this thread is making otherwise decent people waste precious time giving me the same type of advice I've heard for awhile now, when they could be posting in more interesting threads. And while I appreciate that people give advice (though it seems like xyu's giving the only serious advice here, everyone else is just joking around, typically) I never even asked for any, in fact in the initial thread I told people not to respond to this (a rare moment of lucidity). Sadly, no one paid attention.

The Temple's problem is there are too many egos and it's a total clique of the cool kids and the dorks or something. I mean, some innocent newbie could just mention an interest in, I dunno, Bertiaux or something and sudddenly they all become Peanuts adults: OH LOOK ANOTHER NEWBIE HOW CUTE WUH WAH WUH WAH WUH WAH. It's not very conductive to stimulating conversation. Furthermore I think I have an unfair bad rap at the Temple (some people here greatly exagerate the level of my whining there, and I've barely even done that in months now anyhow). Frankly I think a lot of my responses there were well thought-out and intellectually satisfying, but my thinking doesn't follow the company line so I'm villanized (some people there apparently find it incomprehensible that one can divulge powerful personal meanings from the Matrix movies... Whose living in one reality tunnel now?)

(and yeah, Xyu, I know people have it worse off then me, but then again, everyone says that). You know, a few weeks ago on Larry King they had this lady on whose boyfriend shot her across the face with a rifle: She lost her eyes, her nose, her mouth was messed up, and so on. She has to have lots of surgery, but hopefully her mouth will function properly again one day and she'll be able to eat normally. She said the thing she missed the most was eating chocolate, and how much she craved to do something as simple as that again... My heart nearly broke in sympathy.

What's all this Roxette stuff anyway? They were never even that good...
 
 
Tryphena Absent
00:03 / 16.04.05
Roxette are joycore.

Sypha, you never listen to anything anyone tells you but you still expect everyone to take you seriously. I mean have you bothered to pay attention to anything I've said in this thread?

I don't really see any other way to make this point, so...

I hit the road out of nowhere,
I had to jump in my car
And be a rider in a love game
Following the stars,
Don’t need no book of wisdom,
I get no money talk at all.
She has a train going downtown,
She’s got a club on the moon
And she’s telling all her secrets
In a wonderful balloon.
Oh she’s the heart of the funfair,
She’s got me whistling her private tune.
And it all begins where it ends,
And she’s all mine,
My magic friend.she says:


(everyone)

Hello, you fool,
I love you,
C’mon join the joyride,
Join the joyride.
*

*sorry Sypha, I don't actually love you but Roxette do. They love everyone.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
00:13 / 16.04.05
At what speed does a vehicle powered by joy travel?

100 miles Per Gessel.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
00:22 / 16.04.05
Blood red is Mr Funny's fave band - Blood red on his smock, and laughing, outside the window.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
00:27 / 16.04.05
Sypha- you're a damn good writer, if your Sotos thread is anything to go by. But if YOU'RE not gonna realise that, then how can you expect anyone else to? Go with what you're good at. Kick 'em in the balls. You can do it, if only you stop telling yourself you can't.

Anyway... best be quiet now. Mister Funny... he has very good hearing...
 
 
eye landed
00:29 / 16.04.05
sypha your magic is really annoying so it must work.

have you noticed how many people have died recently? the world is undergoing a human purge like none in my lifetime (23) and youre whining about being depressed? world war three is about to start in china and youre blubbering about online grudges?

listen fag i cry on the bus and beautiful girls make me want to die. grab your rifle, man, and start rolling in the mud.

actually i like you sypha. i think your magical failure often resembles mine. and even though youre a sad pathetic product of postmodern culture (as are we all), and even though the insults in this thread are true...when youre in the mood for it you try to evolve, and thats all the universe wants from you.
 
 
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00:50 / 16.04.05
Nina, I know what Roxette is, I've heard their stuff, I'm simply not a fan. This renders about 50% of the "advice" you've given me impractical.

Stoat, I think I'm a good writer, and enough people have told me otherwise to make me think I have something to say. My only problem is when I'm in pain I simply can't concentrate... Can't write, in other words. This of course depresses me even more, because then I start to worry that I'll die before I ever get anything published and make a life for myself. Of course, I'm only 24 and a lot of my idols weren't exactly very prolific at a young age (I mean, the bulk of William S. Burroughs' bibliography was written after he turned 50... Ditto for Robert Anton Wilson). I just want to get something published so bad, with such intensity, it cripples me and I have trouble finishing projects. Very frustrating. And sometimes in my mlost morbid modes I'll think "Why bother writing anyway, in a hundred years no one will really care". But writing is so crucially linked to my magic, I'd probably even write if I was alone on a deserted island or something. Come to think of it, it's the only thing I feel any confidence about at all, and I'm not particularily attractive but when I'm writing and it's coming naturally I feel like the most beautiful person on the planet.

s.h.e.r.m.a.n., I'm well aware of the condition of the world, but right now I'm trying to focus on the things whose outcome I can change (you barely know anything about my magic either, so I don't understand how you can find it annoying?). In fact I think we need a dose of ruthless liberalism to combat the compassionate conservatism running rampant these days. I figure my greatest weapons are words and I'm hoping that maybe a book I'll write someday will have a huge effect on some teenager in shitsville USA who'll see their experinece reflected in my own and rather then kill him/herself they'll take up a career in politics and bring about real change (there was a quote about that somewhere in Transmet, I believe).
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
01:04 / 16.04.05
Sypha- listen to yourself, man. Even YOU realise your writing's good. Just fucking GO WITH IT. I know it's the "going" part that's difficult- that's MY problem, too... but it's the most important part, and the part you really need to keep pushing at. Yes, it'll be bollocks for a while. Possibly a long while.
But... but... you're never gonna find the other end of that "long while of bollocks" unless you just say "fuck it" and push for it with all you can. (Again, it's something I've never managed to do... but if you're going to complain about it, then first you should really go for it. With passion. With all you can fucking muster. Keep hitting the gates until they fall.)
You can fucking do it. If you can put this much effort and passion into a fucking internet message board, you can DEFINITELY put it into real life writing pursuits.

FUCKING DO IT, man.

I don't think you're doing yourself any good with self-pity... all you're doing is reinforcing your own negative feelings about yourself. I can't think of a single reason why that could possibly be anything other than a bad thing.

And yes... The Holy Bible is one of my favourite albums in the world too. But I also love the Gaston song from Beauty and the Beast... Richey Edwards was always a hero of mine, as was Ian Curtis... but I can tell that both of them fucked up REALLY BADLY. And it's not something to follow.

Please don't take this as a slagging-off... it's really not supposed to be. Take care of yoursef, and try to sort your head out, magick or no magick. Get your priorities straight.





What, nobody got my Per Gessel joke? FUCK YOU ALL.
 
  

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