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7 Soldiers: Klarion, the Witch-Boy

 
  

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Hieronymus
20:49 / 13.10.05
Here, names. Comics Continuum has a less techy preview.
 
 
Hieronymus
21:01 / 13.10.05
So Melmoth is like Ahaseurus?

Wait. Didn't Grant do that whole 'man-sells-soul-to-devil-for- 100-years-tries-to-get-someone-to-take-his-place' thing with Mr. Whisper in the LEGENDS OF THE DARK KNIGHT Gothic arc?
 
 
The Falcon
01:35 / 14.10.05
Was more'n a hundred. Three, iirc.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
15:16 / 14.10.05
good analogy, Ganesh.

all of Irving's art in KLARION reminded me of Lloyd, very good stuff, nice to see an artist doing his own colors in mainstream comics. I'm curious to see how it'll look in Casey's IRON MAN mini.

hey, that cover. Teek'l IS suffering.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
20:15 / 18.10.05
Oy, this is out this week, innit? Made the mistake of reading the preview pages - something I've tried to avoid, just to build up some of the lovely can't-wait-for-this vibe until I can actually get my hands on the thing. Irving's art looks beautiful, ALTHOUGH, seriously, some more distinguishing characteristics between Limbo Town Folke would be nice.
 
 
Aertho
20:41 / 18.10.05
Limbo towners are supposed to look nearly indistinguishable. Androgenous, even.
 
 
Triplets
22:31 / 18.10.05
Yeah, I'd imagine some kind of magically-stabilised inbreeding is going on down there.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
13:49 / 19.10.05
Best! Last! Page! In Seven Soldiers History!

That book was fun as hell. A refreshing treat with only minor typos, and Mr. Irving is in his toppest form. More when everyone else gets a good look.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
17:34 / 19.10.05
Oh god! A lovely!











Spoilers









The rate of revelation kicked up to high speed, the Secret Nature of Croatoan, secret origin of the Submissionaries...

"I had spider-sex with all of your ancestors, you know. All those hot Puritan girls."

The hidden matriarchy of Limbo Town.
 
 
Quimper
17:54 / 19.10.05
Oh hell yeah!!!

Our little witch-boy is sure growing up. The Horigal Hunt revelation is by far the coolest thing I've seen in quite a while.

I'm guessing what Klarion saw on the wall is pretty integral. At least as far as the last page goes.

That Melmoth. What an old bastard. The Wilt Chamberlain of Summers End.

The Secret Nature of Croatoan revealed! Wonder Twin powers activate!!!!

And that last page! You go, boy!

Don't fuck with Limbo Town.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
18:03 / 19.10.05
Klarion's mother is the shit.

And, of course: "Klarion! The witch-fever was on us all! Go, brother! Go ring the sabbat bells nine times." The bells, the bells!
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
18:23 / 19.10.05
Oh that was the best!

"I was doing WHAT thirty seconds ago? Oh, pish posh."

And yeah, when I read the HH reveal, I said "Oh shit!" to the hot dog vendor I was walking past.
 
 
Aertho
21:49 / 19.10.05
Triple prediction points to the somebody who suggested that Teekl and Klarion would gestalt. What is it about that map image that allows for the merge?

If The Submissionaries are Stepford Cuckoo/Fembots, why would they have organic Draagas and have a similar Horigal response to a fullblood Witchboy? I suppose if Cuckoos can be robots AND mutants, nothing's to stop Melmoth of Summer's End to make robot men, when his people make robot spiders with feelings.

So the witchwomen know how to merge? Or how to dismember Horigal'd witchmen? I suppose they'll die with no witchmen left?
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
22:17 / 19.10.05
Well, presumably as Sheeda technology is so advanced by comparison, it might be a lot more organic than we assume; especially as we've seen the Sheeda to be fairly techno-organic as a gestalt themselves. What might be called an off switch could also be called a nerve cluster.

The Witch-Women know the secrets, probably because their foremothers were the ones who actually slept with Melmouth.
 
 
Mario
23:40 / 19.10.05
At this point, between the Croatan revelation and the true nature of the submissionaries, I'm almost POSITIVE that the Sheeda are creatures of science, not magic. Indeed, I am thinking that they may not even be as alien as we thought. One word to conjure with:

DNAlien
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
00:43 / 20.10.05
Oh, that's kind of fun. A mixing of the Kirbian glory, wot?
 
 
LDones
00:45 / 20.10.05
Yeah, Mario, I was thinking along the same lines - thus far everything seemingly magic in this series is revealing itself as some sort of super-advanced technology - this might have something to do with a New Gods connection (ie. Mother Boxes, etc.), and might explain why Misty can mimic Zatanna's powers with her die. Wonder if she knows what the die actually is.

What a rousing issue, what a great, fun thing such tight plotting from Morrison can do.

- Love the narrative framing from issue 1 and 2 with Klarion's mother and the secrets of the witch-women. The hidden matriarchy, as someone mentioned. Makes me think about Gloriana and the Sheela Na Gig images Gumbitch posted way back in the Shining Knight thread, the scarred/subverted/reviled maternal images.

- Armless, fire-bodied Melmoth was scary as hell, the Devil himself, the wandering Jew, another cosmically malevolant deadbeat dad. (According to solicits we learn Melmoth's origin and presumably deal with him in the Frankenstein series. 'Frankenstein on Mars' is just such a rad thing to say)

- "The Sheeda are here to harrow the world, my darlings." You harrow the earth to prepare it for seed-planting, cultivation. Melmoth wanted to set up Limbo Town as a breeding facility, as I imagine his original breeding motivation was. I find it likely that the Sheeda can no longer reproduce on their own, if they ever could.

- That Horigal map may just be a placeholder image, but it's at least a partial worldmap, with the shape of Africa quite prominent in the fore. If it's as intended I enjoy that the great secret the submissionaries guard is the true look of the world (Mercator/Peters/Etc. debates aside), a map of the entirety of Blue Rafters.

- They kept their computer-god in a room full of chains. I wonder why. I wonder if they knew the die was supposedly their god or not, or if they simply assumed there was no great god, like Badde did...


- The die so far has seemed to me like a theme of ultimate randomness or meaninglessness beyond chance, the first lesson being, as Klarion says, "all we can trust is change and chance." I also think of Neh-buh-loh remarks about mythology really just being mud and blood and heat leaving meat.

The development that the die is/are the Witch-god in an indirect way is interesting, as is the idea that it's a computer designed by a race of advanced beings - the development stating that there is some order behind this symbol of randomness.

I get the feeling the themes of development and growing up are going to develop and grow themselves through the series - in this first phase dealing with emotions as they relate to a very weird, harsh, seemingly random world and the choice to do the right thing in it, and the second potentially covering more cosmic/spiritual ground.


- I can dig the Spiral Dynamics comparison in this series, but don't know that it's deliberate. It is an interesting parralel to think on, though.
 
 
Aertho
01:04 / 20.10.05
It's entirely deliberate. They could use 7 Soldiers to TEACH Spiral Dynamics.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
01:07 / 20.10.05
LDones: "The Sheeda are here to harrow the world, my darlings." You harrow the earth to prepare it for seed-planting, cultivation. Melmoth wanted to set up Limbo Town as a breeding facility, as I imagine his original breeding motivation was. I find it likely that the Sheeda can no longer reproduce on their own, if they ever could.

This is an important point to keep in mind and gives us one of the first real hints as to the ultimate goal of the Sheeda; they are presented as creatures that destroy what is failing, but there's never really been much of a push about what comes afterward - humans always seem to come back. Maybe the point is that this time they - or at least, Melmouth - wants to control the new growth after the harrowing, by splicing humans and Sheeda together? He's treated as wayward by Gloriana, so something tells me this is all his own plan and in his way he's as much a renegade as Misty is. However, while Misty generally seems in favour of not harrowing everything, Melmouth simply wants to spin it in his favour.

The image of Melmouth's men ready to burn at the stake is creepy, even if they are hypnotized henchmen of doom. Those Limbo Town Folk sure are quick to burn anything that might conceivably be a threat, aren't they?

But, really, I just want Klarion to survive Seven Soldiers #1 so that he can go live in Manhattan in a big apartment with his mum and his sister in some kind of supernatural AMISH IN THE CITY sitcom - will these blue-skinned Puritan Witch-Folk give into modern convenience? Will they stop trying to raise their own ancestors from the dead just to take out the trash? You could have an extra special issue where Klarion takes Teekl to the vet and HORRIBLE THINGS happen.
 
 
Kirk Ultra
20:05 / 20.10.05
What a great issue! Did anybody else notice how Melmoth, after he'd been lit on fire, looks exactly like the flaming guy Zatanna inadvertently conjures in Zatanna #1? Melmoth, in this issue, is revealed as the cosmic Freudian evil dad figure - kidnapping children, killing people, raping and breeding an entire race of people, you could probably go on forever listing his crimes - and Zatanna, after doing a love spell for her dream guy while being depressed abouit her dead father and then going on an extradimensional quest to find his old spell books, gets almost the exact same thing. A guy who's on fire (just like her father was when he died) climbing out of the cosmic book tree to kill her and make her feel bad. Granted, people do tend to look alike when they're lit on fire, but the connection here has to be bigger.

The flaming guy in Zatanna #1 was identified as Gwydion, right? Would that make Gwidion and Melmoth the same person? I don't have Zatanna #1 or any Welsh King Arthur poety on had to reference right now, so I still need to work out some more details on this connection.
 
 
Mr Tricks
21:13 / 20.10.05
What a great issue! Did anybody else notice how Melmoth, after he'd been lit on fire, looks exactly like the flaming guy Zatanna inadvertently conjures in Zatanna #1?

I thought this as well. Made me wonder if the fellow Zatanna summoned was actually Misty's dad who left the sheeda to travel to the dawn of time or where ever those books were in Z#1. Preuming of course that Melmoth isn't her actual father and is more of Misty's step-father as has been theorized. Or not.

Perhaps the dispute between Melmoth and Gloriana stems from a debate on reproduction and "purity." Melmoth is willing to spawn with Humans while Glorianna would see that as beneath her dispite the possibility that Misty might be the last Sheeda baby to ever have been born. No source for that idea but the concept of the Sheeda as baren and unable to reproduce seems suitable.

I'm wondering if the Dice are a sort of prototype motherbox (smilar to how the mini-black hole may have been a prototype boom tube). Perhaps there's an underling theme of Humans evolving into NEW NEW GODS™ as briefly mentioned in GM's JLA Finally. Might the Sheeda be distant future humanity returning to remember what they've forgotten about themselves?
On one end of the spectrum there's the Knight's of the Broken Table/Ystin. On the other end could either be NEW NEW GODS™ or SHEEDA depending on choices/actions (roll of the dice) made in the present here/now.

or not.
 
 
diz
22:24 / 20.10.05
That Horigal map may just be a placeholder image, but it's at least a partial worldmap, with the shape of Africa quite prominent in the fore.

My copy is upstairs, but if I recall correctly, that's not Africa. It's Manhattan, downtown on the left-hand side.
 
 
SiliconDream
22:49 / 20.10.05
Sure looks like a worldmap to me. Africa in the foreground, Madagascar in front, you can see the Americas back toward Klarion's hand. There's even an equatorial reference line.
 
 
The Falcon
23:54 / 20.10.05
SiliconDream wins. I checked.
 
 
kid coagulant
14:20 / 21.10.05
It's the same map from the first page of issue 3, the one that Mr.Silencio is standing in front of. Africa/the Atlantic Ocean/US colonies/etc circa 1590 ('TROPICVS CANCRI' and so forth).
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
01:10 / 25.10.05
Random thought: comparison of the last page of The Manhattan Guardian #4 with the last page of Klarion the Witch Boy #4: A soldier takes it to the streets, with his "lovely" companion right over his shoulder. It would have been perfect if Beulah had gone with Klarion to see Blue Rafters.

KtWB4 is interesting with regard to "the witch-fever" and what it historically refers to and how it connects with this version of the fever. Perhaps, as it were, a little ingrained wiccaphobia?

Limbo Town fascinates me - how much do they hate themselves for being witches? The original women did crawl down underground to have their babies in the first place...
 
 
_Boboss
13:57 / 25.10.05
I suppose they'll die with no witchmen left?

no chance. klarion's line immediately after the 'today i shall be a soldier' one is '...and tomorrow I shall be a loverrrr.'

bit remiss of the ladies not to just chop and grundy the baddie troops though - who's going to work the fields and that? ...maybe you can grundy them even if they've been charred - in fact thinking of the grundy/alec holland thing, it's probable you have to give them a bit of a good roasting before they can be grundied.

anyhoo, putting aside the dnalien theory, which is lush, it's pretty clear by now that the sheeda are from way in the future, when the term 'post-human' has lost all its silly cyberutopian connotations, and the sun is one hopeless ball of black, no? your word for today is 'hodgkinson'.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
16:16 / 26.10.05
Might the Sheeda be distant future humanity returning to remember what they've forgotten about themselves?

right on, brothers! Sheeda are from the future. this issue settles that [almost 87%] for good.

loved the NEW NEW GODS evolution theory. makes a lot of sense. the Sheeda's purpose may be either to help trigger that evolution or prevent it from happening at all - they're always so retro and restrictive...

hey, whatever happened to M's gang of children?

yeah, this mini and this issue was fun all the time. and I saw Klarion as a distilled young naïve Morrison, right before ST. SWITHIN'S DAY. maybe he'll survive to say BANG to Lex Luthor [is he still president?] in his own witchboy way.
 
 
Ganesh
16:26 / 26.10.05
Might the Sheeda be distant future humanity returning to remember what they've forgotten about themselves?

This would echo a recurrent GM theme, from the Lloigor in Zenith through Buddy Baker in Animal Man to the time-travelling shenanigans of The Invisibles...
 
 
_Boboss
13:47 / 28.10.05
nuuur - 'hodgson' not 'hodgkinson' - learn me to be a cvnt i suppose. sorry.
 
 
The Natural Way
14:56 / 28.10.05
I've had the feeling that the Sheeda are a time-faring future humanity for most of the run. The 'Vampire Sun'? A Black Hole, etc. Reckon they're a culture-less bunch of dilettantes raping the past for everything from special trinkets (magic swords and suchlike) to their look (elves, orcs etc: the stuff of mythology). Prolly ties into Morrison's self-devouring-in-order-to-fuel-metamorphosis theme. So, yeah, it could just be the same old shit, dressed up in fighting-fantasy drag.

Still love it, tho'.
 
 
Juan_Arteaga
18:54 / 28.10.05
OK, dumb question time. What the heck is Klarion's sister's pet? I have been looking at that animal, and I still have no clue what it is except that it is a mammal of some kind.
 
 
Mario
20:23 / 28.10.05
Looks a bit like an owl.
 
 
Aertho
20:32 / 28.10.05


?
 
 
Juan_Arteaga
21:49 / 28.10.05
Hmm... yeah, the face is a lot like that one.
 
  

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