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7 Soldiers: Klarion, the Witch-Boy

 
  

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Aertho
00:02 / 18.08.05
"We keep our familiars small and we keep them on the inside where I come from..."

Yeah, that Melmoth is a strange fellow.

No Sheeda this turn? I mean, the retcon of the Roanokers was new, but hardly the action we've enjoyed these past few episodes. Means the Sheeda stopped by earlier, in the 16th century, and again in the fifties(Newsboy Army)? What stopped the harrowing then?
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
00:08 / 18.08.05
that above quote mostly struck me as His Dark Materials reference, right? In fact, I think it's almost straight out of one of the books when discussing the difference between Lyra and Will's worlds in regards to daemons.
 
 
Aertho
00:27 / 18.08.05
Nope. You're gonna have to fill me in or link something or at least summarize His Dark Materials, dude.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
00:43 / 18.08.05
I saw it more in the context of Limbo Town as well. He's a White Martian in a people suit.

Or some such thing.
 
 
Jack Fear
01:43 / 18.08.05
You're gonna have to fill me in or link something or at least summarize His Dark Materials, dude.

No need to summarize the whole thing; it's just one of many conceits in the story.

The idea is that the human beings of most dimensions/realities (the story spans several) are born with a portion of their soul exteriorized in the form of an animal—called a daemon—who is that person's constant companion. The daemon changes shape throughout a person's childhood, settling on a final form some time around adolescence. Daemons have physical substance, and can speak—usually (but not always) only to its host; they have a powerful empathic bond to the host, as well as an independent sensory perception, which makes them useful as spies. They usually (but not always) have the opposite gender to their host. Beyond a certain point, physical separation of a daemon and a host is painful to both, and will eventually result in death. If a person is alchemically severed from his/her daemon, the person becomes kinda dull and zombified, and the daemon becomes an ordinary animal of its type.

Yadda yadda yadda. Obvious similarities with the familiar that each resident of Limbo Town seems to have.

Really, the books are well worth reading, even if you only read the first, The Golden Compass (or The Northern Lights, as it's known outside the US).
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
02:04 / 18.08.05
only thing to add to that is that in the context of the book series, the main character is an adolescent with a daemon and she meets someone her own age from another universe that doesn't have a daemon. it's discussed somewhere in there that some universes do not have external daemons, because their "familiar" is inside.
 
 
Aertho
02:15 / 18.08.05
What was the "inside-familiar" kid's universe like? Hell, perhaps?

"Inside-familiar" had me immediately think that Melmoth had a tapeworm.

Also, Fantomex was E.V.A.'s daemon? How eenteresting.
 
 
Jack Fear
02:37 / 18.08.05
What was the "inside-familiar" kid's universe like? Hell, perhaps?

It was our own world, actually, or something close to it.

Draw from that what you will.
 
 
Aertho
02:40 / 18.08.05
Great. I have a tapeworm.
 
 
Juan_Arteaga
04:17 / 18.08.05
Our own world? But I thought that was supposed to be Ne-Bu-Loh? HE HAS NE-BU-LOH INSIDE!
 
 
Colonel Kadmon
13:57 / 18.08.05
Really, the books are well worth reading, even if you only read the first, The Golden Compass (or The Northern Lights, as it's known outside the US).

I believe that should read - Really the books are well worth reading, even if you only read the first, The Northern Lights, (or The Golden Compass as it's known in the US for some reason, just like they changed the first Harry Potter title).

Apologies for threadrot.
 
 
Jack Fear
15:25 / 18.08.05
I was replying to Chad, who's in the U.S., as am I. Why shouldn't I give him the title under which he's most likely to find the book? It's not our fault that you decadent, contrarian Euro-freaks insist on giving your books names that are demonstrably wrong. You should be grateful that I even gave you that little sop. Now don't push your luck.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
16:54 / 18.08.05
Ended a bit abruptly, and the scene at the museum was a bit - difficult to follow. Nobody was - presumably - invisible, but that whole sequence felt like the storytelling was off, the pictures weren't filling in the word-gaps enough. And that was Miss America's costume beside Star-Spangled Kid, Stripesy's, and the Crimson Avenger's. She wasn't a Soldier, but if you match her up, it looks like the Avenger is the only non-Patriot superhero shown. I think it partly comes down to the kids being in the museum because they broke in, but the guards acting like it's business as usual and regular operating hours; they're freaked by the "ghost," not by the kids being there.

The implications of the Roanoke history at the beginning begs for further sussing out, probably come up next issue, and I liked it. From earlier in the series, I don't think Sheeda are welcome back, so we're left with a question- Was Croatoan a saviour figure who saved them from the Sheeda, or was he the Sheeda who came unto them, a Witch-God who danced with naked girls in the field, got 'em pregnant, and ruined the city? If so, why do they worship him but see the rest of the Sheeda as abominations?
 
 
Aertho
17:46 / 18.08.05
Humans beings are flawed, vile, and ugly creatures; but we worship Jesus, cause of the things he said and did.

Maybe Croatoan was a Half-Sheeda Immortal with some good ideas? Anybody got any ideas from fairy tales?
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
17:47 / 18.08.05
Ended a bit abruptly, and the scene at the museum was a bit - difficult to follow. Nobody was - presumably - invisible, but that whole sequence felt like the storytelling was off, the pictures weren't filling in the word-gaps enough. And that was Miss America's costume beside Star-Spangled Kid, Stripesy's, and the Crimson Avenger's. She wasn't a Soldier, but if you match her up, it looks like the Avenger is the only non-Patriot superhero shown. I think it partly comes down to the kids being in the museum because they broke in, but the guards acting like it's business as usual and regular operating hours; they're freaked by the "ghost," not by the kids being there.

And who was the Old Man and what the eff was he doing there? I did not follow that page at all.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
19:12 / 18.08.05
And I couldn't tell you if it was because the writing was subpar for that bit, or the art; at one point, a Deviant's eyes are looking reverse-crosseyed and the line work got a bit shoddy.

Made up for with the last page, tho.
 
 
Mario
00:51 / 19.08.05
I don't think so...according to my sources she had a striped skirt and no chest emblem.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
01:22 / 19.08.05
It, ah, depends on what company. If you go look for the Miss America from Marvel, who was one of the Invaders...she married the Whizzer. She also had an American Shield on her top and was otherwise red, with a little red hat.

's definitely Marvel's Miss America costume.
 
 
Mario
11:10 / 19.08.05
Looks more like a W to me. And given that every other costume that appears in #3 is a DC hero, I seriously doubt that they'd throw a Marvel one in there.
 
 
The Natural Way
09:35 / 20.08.05
So, Melmoth is the Newsboy girl in pink, yes? Head definitely sewn on and Newsboy-in-each-book thing seems fairly consistent.

Guys, the museums doors are open - the Deviants don't break in. It's a comic. Read the pictures.
 
 
Unicornius
11:05 / 20.08.05
And the only deviant that is invisible is "nob'dy" the kid with the crown.
 
 
A
14:57 / 21.08.05
I just re-read this, and I'm pretty sure the Deviants are Archie, Jughead, Bettie, Veronica, Moose and that other guy from Archie Comics (Reggie or something?)
 
 
Aertho
15:18 / 21.08.05
I thought this as well. Thanks for the names
 
 
Quimper
23:43 / 21.08.05
And the connections are laid to Frankenstein? Supposed to take place on Mars, no?
 
 
Aertho
23:48 / 21.08.05
What What What? Frankenstein on Mars? How fucking Seaguy-like!

Please elaborate.
 
 
Quimper
00:03 / 22.08.05
I will.

Quoted from GM on comic book resources....


PLEASE BE WARNED THAT THIS IS A SPOILER OF SORTS...


"Based loosely on DC's Spawn of Frankenstein series, this is a brutal revenge comic. It takes us all over the world and even to the gold mines of Mars in search of violent horror and ghastly retribution. Maggot Men, flesh-eating Martian horses, toxic glass giants and more! Able to repair his body with pieces of other dead men, he has the right arm of a black slave and his left hand once belonged to the angel Michael."



So, to make it relevant to the thread...there's the connection to the latest Klarion events.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
01:51 / 22.08.05
Oh, I can't wait for that shit, now.
 
 
Aertho
01:55 / 22.08.05
Our Jughead analog has a crown that makes the wearer invisible?

From the 7S:SK Thread:
The Mantle of Arthur: whoever wore it was invisible. (This cloak is also that worn by Caswallawn when he enchants Britain; it is probably also that of Curoi mac Daire who is specifically termed 'the grey man in the mantle'.) All thirteen treasures reveal a preoccupation with worthiness of the person finding or using them: they will not work for the unworthy. This is a clear indication of their funtion in the king's relationship with Sovereignty: they cannot be found or wielded by any save the rightful king or champion of the king. - Merlin was supposed to have procured these from their owners and taken them to his abode of glass on Bardsey Island

So that's three Treasures accounted for. Sword, Die, and Crown. Has Jake run into anything magical?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
07:57 / 22.08.05
Is a crown a mantle? Is a mantle a crown?

Tell you what, that Klarion #3 was a good comic. Great art, nice sinister feel to it. Consider y'self... our friend! Consider y'self... part of ver furniture!
 
 
Mario
12:59 / 22.08.05
A mantle is a cloak, usually.

And yeah, the "gold mines of Mars" bit is a definite link between Klarion & Frankie.
 
 
Aertho
13:11 / 22.08.05
Cloak = Mantle ? Crown.

Ah, but Gloriana Tenebrae = Morgan Le Fey + Titania + Medusa + The Wicked Stepmother(s) + Hel...

So maaaaaybe Nob'dy's crown = The Mantle of Arthur + Hades' Helmet of Invisibility
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
13:59 / 22.08.05
Or maybe it's a ludicrous stretch.

Incidentally, Jack, Adam... you're both wrong. It was published in the UK as Northern Lights, not The Northern Lights.

Back to Klarion: filler episode, really - actual necessary plot advancement could have taken place in about a quarter of the space - but quite fun. I liked the Oliver Twistiness, and Klarion's utterly uncritical enjoyment of everything. OTOH, this issue did make me wonder for the first time whether Morrison has overpromised.
 
 
Aertho
14:07 / 22.08.05
They are a bit like Soundwave and Ravage, aren't they?
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
14:16 / 22.08.05
OTOH, this issue did make me wonder for the first time whether Morrison has overpromised.

I thought that too until I read that potential Frankenstein! linkage. Now I can't wait for the guy to bust in, guns blazing and Free Billy Beezer!
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
15:18 / 22.08.05
I think it's all a bit late for poor Billy.
 
  

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