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Joss Whedon's Wonder Woman

 
  

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Aertho
17:36 / 22.03.05
Hm. Interesting point. You feel that the WW2 aspects to the Wonder Woman mythos are more important, more integral than her Amazonian history? I say no. I think her magical heritage and Greek pantheon is more important. But it's worth discourse.

Given an hour and half minimum, what elements of the Diana character are more important and more integral to the film representation?

Amazons? Military? Ambassador? Ares? Cheetah? Invisible Plane? Star-spangled spankies?
 
 
Tamayyurt
18:28 / 22.03.05
I think the first 4 are integral to WW today. As for star spangled panties, I think taking the comic book costume and doing something like the outfits in Troy is the best way to go or maybe something like her Kingdom Come costume.

So what would you like to see in this movie, Chad?
 
 
gridley
18:29 / 22.03.05
You feel that the WW2 aspects to the Wonder Woman mythos are more important, more integral than her Amazonian history?

No, I think her Amazonian heritage is essential. The origin story I like best for her was that the Amazons sent her as an ambassador for peace to a war-ravaged world.

When I said they won't do Hippolyta, I merely meant that the version of Wonder Woman they use will be Diana, not her mother.
 
 
Aertho
19:36 / 22.03.05
I've already said what I think would work best. But... I think the costume is essential for a significant part -and I do think it can be done well. Get the designers who made the costumes for Sky Captain to work with those who designed Stargate. Stay true to the Diana Trevor origin and mix the bathing suit with Spartan armor styling. Gloss/Zoom through her origin flashback with being clay and winning the contest — have no one in the American media completely believe her. She's the Power of Truth, remember?

I think the beginning of this will be Princess Diana finding Steven Trevor, her "brother", and trying to convince him she was named for his mother —adding insult to an already wacky and unbelievable story. She's rejected, but continues with her other mission — preach peace, and that's met with skepticism, because she's so damn weird.

Granted, the armor's not going to work for the entirety of the film, so I'm thinking Alias-type clothing until the end, when she accepts her role in Man's World as a super-heroine — and wears a stylized leather bodysuit that looks cool and functional. Maybe I could draw what I'm thinking.

I think Ares manipulating and corrupting the UN will be important, and maybe a random villian for misdirection could be Cheetah.
 
 
Brigade du jour
20:47 / 22.03.05
Wow. Reading all this has made me realise how little I know about Wonder Woman. Goshdarn it, I'll have to hunt down some TPBs ...
 
 
FinderWolf
21:00 / 22.03.05
Something tells me the 'made from clay' bit might be deleted. But who knows, with Joss...?
 
 
Aertho
21:21 / 22.03.05
Oh, made from clay is hilarious if done as an eyebrow raising Elle Woods-ian chirpy little side comment. No need to delve too deep, just have everybody in the room go "Okaaaaaay..."

Scratch all that Lois Lane crap. What this movie needs is Megan Mullaly playing boozy floozy Pridefest billionairette Manhattan scenester Myndi Mayer. Not much of a stretch from her TV role, but the gays will LOOOOVE it.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
21:26 / 22.03.05
Yes, I'm sure tehy will.

This thread really has all the STATURE and DIGNITY and NOBILITY of Diana herself.
 
 
matsya
00:15 / 23.03.05
Hi Petey.

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Tamayyurt
03:53 / 23.03.05
gridley- When I said they won't do Hippolyta, I merely meant that the version of Wonder Woman they use will be Diana, not her mother.

No, I know Wonder Woman is going to be Diana but Hippolyta is going to be in the movie as well, maybe just a flashback to her origin but perhaps more. So have the hot young actress star as Diana and have Linda Carter as Hippolyta. It'll be a nice homage to the TV show, and it's gotta be better than her cameo in Super Troopers.
 
 
FinderWolf
17:33 / 23.03.05
from comics 2 film today:

WONDER WOMAN

Joss Whedon talked to TV Guide about what's really important right now about the story of Diana. "Whedon is months away from finding his ideal Woman. 'Everybody is in agreement that casting is not an issue right now,' he says. 'It's not a vehicle to be built around a particular star. We want to write the thing, find the right character and then figure out who should play her. There are various famous people whose names have come up, because that always happens, but you know, we're talking about Wonder Woman here. Those are tough booties to fill' ... I think we will go a little younger than the traditional idea of Wonder Woman." Whedon also claimed that the actress would not be anyone from the "Buffyverse." "It's a movie, not a party for my friends."

Whedon also talked to MTV, where he said, "I think she sort of sprang out fully formed, much like Athena herself. And, you know, it's a question of really getting behind that. ... In the '40s, when it was first done, she came to the world from Paradise Island and then went about her business, and so that experience, which is really a rite of passage, which is the same as any hero has to go through, has never really been investigated the way I want to. So, to take it back to the beginning and really say, 'Well, really, what was it like for an Amazon princess to come amongst us?'

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Aertho
15:01 / 25.03.05
So what would you like to see in this movie, Chad?

So I just went and bought the TPBs of Perez's first two arcs "Gods and Mortals" and "Challenge of the Gods" —to reacclimate myself with the reboot and support the franchise. Talk about a book that ought to be in hardcover. Stellar stuff. Would you believe that after Perez left the book, Diana turned into a Space Pyrate?

Anyway. One of the most imporant aspects to the Diana/WW character is her mother/daughter dynamic with Hippolyte and later with Julia Kapatelis. It plays out further as Diana herself becomes both roles: a protective superhero to the entire world, as well as inspiring "new" idealogue. She is devout in the Ancient Mother Goddess religion, but preaches it in a newly phrased, post-"religious", and all-embracing way. The meshing and blurring "protective mother" and "inspiring daughter" archetypes is the clay from which the iconic superheroine is formed.

Whereas Superman is all solar and daylight battles, and Batman is secretive at night, Diana's role is transitionary -both interpersonally and thematically (cultural change). The fact that she wears a star-spangled uniform of war and uses it to preach peace is living breathing detournement. She is a girl who inherits symbol, and is changed by and in turns changes that symbol. Remember, her costume is derived from the fierce and proud American ideology of the WW2 -the good old days of "American values". She benefits from that, as well as reminds that those values are much, much older than WW2 or America. She, as a protective mother and inspiring daughter, becomes a symbol that flies through premodern(Hellenic Greece), modern(America), and postmodern(United Nations) civilizations.

Tall order for a superhero flick, I know. But Wonder Woman isn't your average superhero, and I think we're all bored with average superheroes (Elektra bombed, Constantine soared). And I think a superhero flick that can do more than beat the bad guy (see Incredibles).

I think a love interest in the first film would be disasterous. Steven Trevor should be much much older (mid 60s) and be an older "brother". He should be an Air Force pilot on the verge of retirement and has lost faith in America, its values and its future generation. Enter Diana.

I think the Greek mythological reference should be ever-present, but unseen and unheard and treated nearly exactly like Thor in the Ultimates. While the "Gods and Mortals" storyline was riddled with scenes from Olympus, Diana's schtick in Man's World should be based on faith, trust, heroism, devotion, and how that creates the power of truth.

As for her unbelievability, Diana could easily speak without a Greek accent by saying "Athena blessed me with the gift of speech". People would think she's as nuts as Thor, just some crazy superhuman with a head full of stupid stroies, but her heart in the right place. Add to that the origins and skepticism of her armor/costume/uniform, and her insistance that she's her to locate and halt the God of War.

I say merge the mother/daughter relationship of Julia and Diana with the exploitative persona of Myndi Mayer. Myndi is much more important to the celebrity and establishing the sensation around Diana, as well as being representative of America's debaucherous present state of affairs. By adopting Diana in some sense, she will gain realization of her own emptiness, and through tears, reveal the truth of her impending death by cancer to her confused immortal "daughter".

Diana enters a world already inundated by the role and persona of Superman in Metropolis — A role Diana does not at first identify with, but comes to learn the importance and power of such a position. Much like her transitionary theme, I think it would be best if Diana's super-battles took place at sunrise, sunset, and perhaps a Ladyhawk-esque eclipse of Ares-power-is-supreme.

Cheetah could be a transmorph agent of Circe(big bad of WW sequel), who in turn works for Ares.

Ares Project affected members of the United States Air Force could fly classified invisible jets, that only Diana "blessed by Artemis with huntress's sight" can see.

That's what I think is imporant for the story of Wonder Woman, Imp.
 
 
wicker woman
19:48 / 25.03.05
As long as they respect the community of Wonder Woman fans and do not besmirch teh sacred text and cast someone with enough DIGNITY to be the PRINCESS OF POWER...

She-Ra?
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Tamayyurt
22:21 / 25.03.05
Chad, yeah, I would have to agree with most of that. I don't think Cheetah would translate well though.
 
 
gridley
01:39 / 26.03.05
I hope they shy away from the whole Ares as villian business. At this point, it would feel like a ripoff off Xena. Plus Hollywood usually screws up villians with godlike powers.

My preference: Cheetah. Oh, and she's working with the Nazis.
 
 
Hieronymus
23:29 / 27.03.05
It strikes me that Ares is a perfect villain for her and, in an age when hypermasculinity and the need for war and domination is ever threatening to make feminism a fringe idea, I think Diana's interactions with Trevor vs. those with Ares are perfectly ripe places to couch the movie in.

Ares would make a perfect antagonist in that regard.

Plus he has the potential to be menacing as hell, in a very bloodthirsty, Spartan fashion. Not even similar to the romance novel coifed Ares from Xena.



Please.
 
 
gridley
02:30 / 28.03.05
Not even similar to the romance novel coifed Ares from Xena.

Warrior woman who opposes war versus the god of war. It's too close for my tastes.
 
 
Triplets
11:33 / 28.03.05
Call him Captain War and give him a big metal glove with SPIKES AND SKULLS
 
 
Pooky Is Just My Pornstar Name
11:36 / 28.03.05
The following article is from movies.msn.com. It's a fluff piece, to be sure, but it's amusing nonetheless. Some of the possible candidates mentioned in the article are too horrid for words.

Who Is The Next 'Wonder Woman'?


Power up the invisible jet and get those bulletproof bracelets shined: After years of standing in the shadows, the fabled Amazon princess is finally coming to the big screen. Last week Warner Bros. and producer Joel Silver announced that Joss Whedon would write and direct the first "Wonder Woman" movie.

Whedon is best known for creating "Buffy The Vampire Slayer" and its acclaimed spin-off "Angel," but he has a long career in the movie business, having written the screenplays for "Toy Story" (a group effort) and "Alien: Resurrection." Whedon is currently enjoying good buzz with his upcoming sci-fi adventure "Serenity," which is based on his short-lived Fox TV series, "Firefly." But beyond his background with strong female heroines, Whedon has written a number of comic books, including a current run on "Astonishing X-Men." In fact, Whedon had long been rumored to take over "X3." Whether that was something he was seriously considering is unclear, but he's excited about his new project.

As he said in the announcement's press release, "Wonder Woman is the most iconic female heroine of our time, but in a way, no one has met her yet. When Joel and I began discussing the character, I realized there is a woman behind the legend who is very fascinating, very uncompromising and, in her own way, almost vulnerable. She's someone who doesn't belong in this world, and since everyone I know feels that way about themselves, the character clicked for me."

What does this mean? Well, don't expect a campy homage to the beloved '70s TV show that starred Lynda Carter. Look for a more serious take. I personally hope that includes strong mythological ties the character developed when she was "reborn" by writer/artist George Perez in the 1980s and that continue to resonate in the comic today.

But who will play her? If the filmmakers decide to go for a big movie star, there may not be a lot to choose from. Sandra Bullock has been named as a possibility for the role for years, but at age 41, she might be a tad old for the numerous sequels the studio is obviously anticipating. Angelina Jolie might be perfect, bringing an exotic look and acting chops for the role. However, she's done the icon thing before with Lara Croft, and that didn't end well. Sarah Michelle Gellar made Whedon's Buffy come to life, but rumor has it they aren't interested in working together again. Jennifer Love Hewitt is another actress that people speculated could be a contender, but she might be a bit short for the role. Naomi Watts would be great, but would she do it?

A more authentic idea would be to go with a Latin actress, who would reflect Wonder Woman's Amazon roots. Salma Hayek and Penélope Cruz fit that bill, but Hayek is just way too short and Cruz's accent would be a problem for most American audiences. Jessica Alba is making waves with big movies this year, but one of those is "Fantastic Four," where she's playing the Invisible Woman. You can't play two different super heroes -- those are the rules (sorry, Jennifer Garner). Eva Mendes was great in "Hitch" and would bring some sass to the role, but for a truly inspired choice, I would consider (don't laugh) Jennifer Lopez. I know what you're thinking: "J-Lo? Did you see 'Gigli' and 'Jersey Girl'? Are you crazy?" Yes, everyone knows she has had some tough times recently, but her career is rebounding. And though she hasn't shown it lately, the girl can act when she wants too (remember "Out of Sight"?). She has the star power, the beauty and the booty for the role.

What is more likely is for an unknown to be cast in the role. Warner Bros. went this route with "Superman Returns," and it allows for more of the budget to be spent on production. Expect the real dollars to go to a more recognizable actor as the picture's villain. One lesser-known actress who is already volunteering is Morena Baccarin, who stars in "Serenity." While sitting in on a Los Angeles comic convention Q&A panel with Whedon last weekend, she made her desire to be considered apparent. Baccarin is of Brazilian ancestry, which might fit Whedon's requirements. But a search will likely go far and wide with many screen tests and internal discussions to come. Don't expect an announcement for some time.
 
 
FinderWolf
12:27 / 28.03.05
J. Lo as Wonder Woman?!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA...
 
 
Aertho
12:40 / 28.03.05
I like it. She CAN act. And she's as beautiful as Lynda. And comes with a self-image of superhuman proportions.
 
 
gridley
13:07 / 28.03.05
A more authentic idea would be to go with a Latin actress, who would reflect Wonder Woman's Amazon roots. Salma Hayek and Penélope Cruz fit that bill...

Of course, because clearly the Amazons were called Amazons because they lived in South America along the Amazon River! Brilliant deduction, MSN.com!
 
 
Tamayyurt
17:31 / 29.03.05
That’s not what he ment, gridley… Latin as in Roman as in Mediterranean as in olive-skinned person… And Lynda (Cordova) Carter is Mexican so there’s a tradition there to uphold.
 
 
FinderWolf
18:31 / 29.03.05
That woman from CSI shown in pics earlier in this thread is the best idea of casting I've seen so far - I feel you really want someone who looks...like that. Classic Greek/Mediterranean beautiful statue type, yet tough as well. Oh, and a good actress.
 
 
gridley
18:50 / 29.03.05
That’s not what he ment, gridley… Latin as in Roman as in Mediterranean as in olive-skinned person

No, sadly, they clearly meant Latino, because the two examples they give are Salma Hayek and Penélope Cruz, neither of whom are Roman or Mediterranean or olive-skinned.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
20:36 / 29.03.05
Just in, breaking news, etc -

Brittney Spears, with a black perm apparently, as Wonder Woman, Madonna to play Hippolyta, Jude Law as Steve Trevor, and Bruce Willis as the god of War, with Joel Silver to direct.

And with a Joss Whedon script as well !

I don't know about anyone else, but if I could book my ticket right now, I would.
 
 
FinderWolf
13:49 / 26.04.05
from comics2film:

>> According to Dark Horizons, Joel Silver allegedly gave carte blanche to Joss Whedon in crafting the story. "I made Joss' deal, Joss Whedon is writing the script. He's finishing 'Serenity' when that movie is done, he's going to turn his attention toward the script. He's got fantastic ideas. When we made the first 'Matrix,' I came out of the first test screening, the numbers for Trinity were so much higher than anything else in the movie, people loved that character. I came out of there and said to the studio this is interesting, I said to the boys why don't we make a Trinity movie, they said no they had something else in mind. So I figured we should take something, this was in 99, take Wonder Woman and try something and they said fine. I never really felt I got it till now. I think this is a big constructionist picture, it's property of Warner Bros,' the character is the real deal, and if we do it right. Joss has a fantastic take on the story, and if it works the way I think it's going to work, it's going to be fantastic."
 
 
Hieronymus
17:18 / 26.04.05
*groan* Just shut up and pay for the croissants, Joel. Christ.
 
 
Tamayyurt
05:34 / 22.07.05
Lynda Carter told Sci Fi Wire that she'd love to make a cameo appearance in Joss Whedon's pending adaptation. There is actually this thing on the Internet, like a sign-up campaign, that says, 'We want Lynda in Wonder Woman,'" Carter said. "It's very cute, very sweet. I think it would be great. I'd love to do it. I just hope that the concept is one that's really about the characters themselves. And I hope they cast [Diana/Wonder Woman] as someone who's got a real heart. If they can do the movie with a heart, no matter what they do, they'll be OK. It would depend on the role. I don't think I would be interested in doing something gratuitous, just to do it, just to say, 'Oh there's Lynda Carter.' But if there was a role in which I could kind of tie up loose ends, that would be cool."


I keep saying it, "Lynda Carter as Hippolyta!" Maybe in a flashback of her sculpting Wonder Woman or training her or something. That would be great.
 
 
FinderWolf
13:53 / 22.07.05
Yeah, she will totally be in it. Whedon won't miss out on the chance to use her.
 
 
FinderWolf
17:21 / 01.08.05
from the new issue of InFocus magazine: excerpt from interview with Whedon:

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[have you written a script for] “Wonder Woman”?

Not for “Wonder Woman,” because I’m still working out the plot. But I’m finding the moments that matter; I’m finding the things that make the story really resonate; the things that I just can’t wait to film. I have great big questions to answer but I’m in that beautiful, free-form poetical place where you just get to think up moments and see if they fit in your movie. And that’s almost more fun than anything. And that work, which is a vital part of what got me interested in doing the job in the first place, is being done.

Will Diana be able to fly under her own power, or will an invisible plane be involved?

I do not believe she will be flying. I think we have a guy who flies. I don’t see her flying. She might jump. There could be some hopping. And there may in fact be an invisible plane. But if there is, it will be because it came out really cool. And I have theories about how to make that work.

As you go about casting Diana, do you set a height requirement? How important is it that the Amazon princess be tall?

It’s important. I’m looking for somebody statuesque, regal, beautiful, who can really act and do a lot of stunts with no elbow or knee pads. I’m asking a lot. So if I happen to find all those qualities in somebody who does not quite meet my height requirement, I will be casting some really short love interest. The height is definitely a part of the package. But the most important part? No. And the fact of the matter is, a woman stands as tall as she makes you think she is. For example, I always thought [“Buffy” writer-producer] Marti Noxon was four inches taller than she actually was. I just found that out last week.

Will Diana contend with a print-derived supervillain?

At this point I’m looking at creating something a little different. I don’t think her rogues gallery necessarily offers me what I need. But that’s not a final decision, that’s just my instinct.

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Tamayyurt
15:14 / 02.08.05
I really wanted her to fly.
 
 
FinderWolf
16:35 / 02.08.05
Yeah, I was a bit surprised at this as well. Why no flying Diana?
 
 
FinderWolf
16:37 / 02.08.05
>> I do not believe she will be flying. I think we have a guy who flies. I don’t see her flying.

I guess he means that the flying power is 'taken' by Superman? Or does he mean he will have another flying male character in the WW movie? (probably the former, I know)
 
 
Hieronymus
21:48 / 02.08.05
Totally a Superman references. I've honestly wanted someone to retool the old invisible jet a little. JLU did a great job of it in the 'Man Who Has Everything' episode. It should be the stealth bomber tenfold. Maybe designed by Steve Trevor?
 
  

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