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Spatula Clarke
15:54 / 11.02.05
I'm aware of what's gone on in the past.

Actually, I rather think that you're not, given that there's an awful lot of Kunto-related stuff that's taken place off-board, but all related to the board. And in the recent past, too - it's not six months since he was flinging threats at various members here through their private email. This was not an issue of normal trolling. If you think otherwise, I'd like to know how many other trolls you've come across who have effectively stalked board admin.

The fact that you claim that "the board stood by and allowed this to happen" more or less proves that you're not half as well-versed in the reasons for the locking of membership as you'd like to believe.
 
 
grant
15:56 / 11.02.05
If you need more mods to deal with problems, add more mods. If mods need a licence to kill, well, give it to them.

Y'know, I've actually had that thought myself over the past couple of days.

Personally, I'm ready for an open door policy -- even if it means little storms shaking things up.

I'm also beginning to suspect that more of these fallow periods than we know can actually be traced to Tom having better things to do (like earn a living). When the few simple changes only he can make kind of sit around and don't get made (like the wiki links, or tinkering with the language around the search function), then things start seeming kind of clotty. I don't know -- it's just a thought, a kind of "oooh, a stagnant vibe from above" kind of thing.

What I'd love to see is one or more of the coder-type regular users, like fridgemagnet and/or Paleface and/or whoever else*, fill Cal's role as Back-End Archon or whatever. This would involve a tremendous amount of trust and responsibility, but I wouldn't have a problem with that being granted to those guys in specific, or a few other oldsters in general. I do realize, however, it's not my problem to have.

* I name these names because in a recent thread, they started coming up with codey solutions to board problems which they'd try to implement if they had access.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
15:58 / 11.02.05
Suffice to say, other boards get trolled much harder than here, but seem to manage better.

Rather circular argument, given that the reason that Barbelith doesn't get trolled very much is precisely because registration is more or less closed.
 
 
rising and revolving
15:58 / 11.02.05
Bobossboy : Regarding the trial by fire, I'm not actually opposed. What concerns me is that the technology reinforces the cultural barrier to entry. Either one on its own might be okay (I prefer the cultural to the technical, mind you) but together they lock the place down hard for new users.

Look, if we're looking for helpful suggestions, then let the flood of new users in (which is my basic premise) and I'll volunteer to be the Temple welcome wagon, given that's where I tend to hang about. Anyone posts into Temple for the first time, and I'll send 'em a PM full of helpful links, advice and etiquette - including "how to find the real FAQ, given the link leads you to spam-hell" and "why you're not a unique and perfect flower". If you call in the next 24 hours, I'll even include my small tract "Why Gypsy Lantern made you cry, and why that's probably a good thing"

Carthago delenda es... no, not that one.

New blood must be found. That's more like it.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
16:02 / 11.02.05
What I'd love to see is one or more of the coder-type regular users, like fridgemagnet and/or Paleface and/or whoever else*, fill Cal's role as Back-End Archon or whatever.

Just thinking exactly the same thing, as it goes. Fridge and Paleface, if they're up for it, strike me as the ideal people to be helping build the board. Ideas frequently get put into the 'to do' pile because Tom's unable to implement them. Giving a few of the more technically-minded members around here access to the board's workings could only be for the good.
 
 
rising and revolving
16:17 / 11.02.05
Actually, I rather think that you're not, given that there's an awful lot of Kunto-related stuff that's taken place off-board, but all related to the board.

Fair enough. It is true, surprising as it sounds, that I am neither all knowing nor all seeing.

It still seems though, that you've got rid of the troll by cutting off your blood supply. Gangrene is setting in and something needs to be done. Yes? No?

As for all the technical aspects ... well, I know this won't be a popular suggestion, but I'm going to say it anyways.

Why not use some board software that just works, already? What does the current iteration of Barbelith do that standard off-the-shelf packages don't?

Because when you grab a (free, even!) complete package, you get all the features that people are talking about being horrible pains to implement. Things like solid moderation tools. IP blocking. Even banning IP ranges. Automatically. They just come out of the box, as opposed to having to take time away from someone who doesn't have the time, they can be gracefully delegated to those who do.

The only thing I can see that would be lost would be the ease of nick changing. And a coder type could add in the fic-suit functionality if need be. They could even do it without needing access to the nitty gritty of the code, provided an open source package was used (develop the extension, then pass it off to Tom for integration).

And if you want to see trolling supreme, go take a peek at some Christian message boards. They've made isolation and extermination of the troll a fine art - they have to, because otherwise they cannot exist.
 
 
Lurid Archive
16:26 / 11.02.05
Actually, I agree with pretty much everything that Sandalphon has said. In particular, though I think Barbelth has had, and probably will have, some serious trolling problems I also think that the current situation is bad for the board and quite avoidable.
 
 
electric monk
16:32 / 11.02.05
[sarcasm shields]

I've been what I call a Policy Wonk for a long while now, and have decided I need to break that silence. Steady on Mr. E!

I really have to give props to Sandalphon for his (to my eyes) clear definition of what the problems of the 'Lith may be. "(T)he mere possibiliy of a troll is too scary" hits the nail right square on the head and drives it home. I see this as the overarching problem, the major wall we've erected here. Troll-fear is, I think, behind the snark I see here more and more often. Troll-fear shut the door to new members. The terrorists are winning, friends and neighbors, and we are enabling it. What to do?

Once again, Sandalphon hits it. Change the variables. I admit ignorance on the whole issue of Those-We-Don't-Speak-Of, tho I've read the FAQs and followed the old threads. The TriPolitica model holds some interesting options, I think, as do the Welcome Wagon and SuperMod options. I'll go Sandy-Eyes one better on the Welcome Wagon idea and suggest the creation of Board Subsection Shamans.

You fuckin' heard me: A shaman.

What's that supposed to mean? Well in my idealized, ignorant little world, it would mean having X number of shamans set aside per X number of active ficsuits and doled out to the varying subsection. They'd function as a type of mod, but with the added responsibility of "compassionate confrontation" with the more disruptive elements of the board. Theoretically speaking, this would involve locking the disruptive user out of every thread save a private one where the shaman and the disruptive user could hash out whatever needs hashing. From there, either the shaman readmits the user with a pat on the back and a "Don't let it happen again," or if it's a lost cause the user's suit gets the boot. This methodology might also work if there are personality/other conflicts between two board members. The shaman can take 'em into a locked thread and git down with the conflict resolution.

BTW, it may ease or eliminate troll recurrences if Barbelith requires that new users (and hell, maybe old users) "...provide us with a verifiable ISP-based e-mail address (not a freebie webmail address like Hotmail or Yahoo)..."*

Go ahead and laugh. It doesn't make me any less serious.

[/sarcasm shields]

*Yes, that is a quote from the Byrne Robotics Forum Rules of Conduct. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

p.s. Apologies for the hurried feel and horrible construction of this post. I really shouldn't be logging in at work.
 
 
Spaniel
17:07 / 11.02.05
I'm sorry but I feel my earlier point has been missed, so to quote myself...

...but the fact is that if we want to be a community, we must work to maintain certain standards, values and norms. Other boards use super mods. we use collective moderation and, crucially, argument.

I suppose we're back to the age old question: what is Barbelith for?


I should add: What do we want from this community?

I'm worried that the Barbelith I love would vanish under Sands proposals. That's not to say I am entirely unsympathetic with his position, however.
 
 
grant
18:14 / 11.02.05
What I want is a place to infodump on facets of fringe culture, and to dissect the infodumps of others.

That "shaman" idea is interesting, but it seems way too "prefecty" to me. I much prefer having mods be authorities over certain areas of the board than have users being authorities over a number of other users.

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Slightly off topic, but I just noticed that not only does the "Get news and help on the Barbelith Wiki" link go to the old wiki (preserved in amber) but the reply box's link to "posting etiquette" actually leads straight to a page of links about online casinos.

Which is definitely sending the wrong message about our standards of discussion.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
21:30 / 11.02.05
Why not use some board software that just works, already? What does the current iteration of Barbelith do that standard off-the-shelf packages don't?

Distributed moderation.

Look, Barbelith is primarily an experiment in online community. That's not how it started out, but it's what it's become, and has been ever since moderation was first introduced - in a version of the board that used off-the-shelf software, for what it's worth. That's what having our own software provides us - the ability to shift and mutate in ways that would otherwise be impossible.

That's not happening at the moment. Fair enough. But that's something that can be dealt with by allowing a few more people than just Tom and Cal to have access to the board's workings.

To the best of my knowledge, there isn't anything that "working" (nice choice of wording, by the way, and not at all likely to be considered rude), identikit board software can do that this place already can't. All that's required is somebody with the ability and the time to polish up what needs polishing.

On banning IP ranges: We can do that here. It's been done. Now, one solution is to open up the board to new members and give normal moderators the ability to delete suits as and when. I wouldn't have the slightest problem with that, provided that the list of moderators was being kept fresh (and while I appreciate what you're saying, Ariadne, there are certain moderators dotted around the place who, by their own admission, don't have very much to do with the board any more, if at all). The issue there is that, on past evidence, plenty of other people *would* have a problem with it.
 
 
Cherielabombe
09:44 / 12.02.05
As an oldster who rarely posts myself these days, like Ariadne I read Barbelith regularly but rarely contribute. The reason I rarely contribute is because I rarely find anything (that I think) worth contributing to.

When I read the Conversation, I'm often bored by the threads. Areas such as the Head Shop and the Switchboard tend to move incredibly slowly because so few people contribute their thoughts or ideas. I'm not sure why this is, and am more than willing to accept I may be part of the problem.

To me, the biggest concern with Barbelith is how to we raise the level of intellectual discourse? Surely in the past five years people haven't stopped thinking. But a million years ago, when I joined Barbelith, my main reason for doing so was that it seemed such an intellectually stimulating place to be - I don't feel that so much anymore.

I'm aware that I'm probably sounding snobbish with my comments, but that's not really my intent. I would like to know what we can do and is it possible to "raise the bar" intellectually at the Barb?

That's what I would like to see happen, but I'm not exactly sure how to bring that about.
 
 
Seth
10:32 / 12.02.05
I think it’s clear that we should create a Po Box address to which new users can mail a validated copy of their degree certificate before being allowed in.

Some of the functionality that Tom and other’s have mentioned sounds fascinating, and certainly would stir things up and make it more interesting. How about we add an incentive and invite people to contribute via Paypal to the individual or individuals that would do the programming? I’d certainly add elseware to the list of members who are capable of creating this kind of code. Why don’t we do our best to make it worth that person’s effort, and help keep them in beer and fags for a few months?
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
12:27 / 12.02.05
I think a lot of what sandalphon complains about with regard to the structure of the board are things which, when they were set in place, weren't intended to be permanent things. I don't think, if Tom had known he was going to be away from the board for so long, things would have necessarily be left in the way they were.
 
 
Spaniel
13:51 / 12.02.05
Cherie, I agree. The board isn't quite as intellectually stimulating as it used to be, and I'd like to see that change.
 
 
illmatic
14:17 / 12.02.05
Personally, I agree with a lot of what Sandalophon has said, and props to him/her for saying it. Particulary this -

And I'm also aware that in this case, the terrorist won - he changed your behaviour through his actions, and has pretty much killed the board

I hate the fact that one fuckwit can have had such a deterimental effect on such a great community. The troll in question, is to all intents and purposes a stalker, and that is why I think any updated version of the board should have some terms and conditions in place, which new users have to sign up to. A commitment not to use racist and sexist language might help here to avoid some of the periodic old user/newbie fights we have (he says, being hugely optimistic).

As was pointed out to me in the pub a few nights ago, we currently have all the disadvantages of elitism with very few of the benefits.

I'd also add, on a personal note, that quite a few "old timers" are going through certain "windows" in their lives where a lot more commitment is required to jobs and careers than to messge boards (as with Tom). Pehaps this is what happens when you hit a certain age/time in your life? Perhaps the board has fulfilled its fuction for those people?
 
 
sleazenation
15:31 / 12.02.05
Personally, I think the current state of affairs is more down to regular posters and our own perseverence, or shocking lack thereof, to keep the standards of signal to noise as high as possible...
 
 
Spatula Clarke
16:19 / 12.02.05
So how do we deal with idiotic threads like this one? It's obviously noise, but it's pretty obvious that any attempt to delete or lock it will wake the 'moderator nazi' brigade up. As it is, I'm fairly sure that, as usual, I'm going to get that anyway just for asking people to raise their game.

What do you do when a large part of the board seems to prefer the noise to the signal?
 
 
sleazenation
16:38 / 12.02.05
I'd be happy to see such crap tossed unceremoniously into the conversation. I wouldn't even be opposed to seeing somthing akin to a ToS which further underlined that noise is not desired and is likely to be tossed.
 
 
Grey Area
17:49 / 12.02.05
Seems as though we're coming full circle once again to discussions about how and when the board should be opened. The TOS, mentoring and all that jazz was talked about, and there was a general understanding that some of the proposals had merit. But where everything fell down was the fact that Tom & Cal have other things to do these days, and therefore (through no fault of their own) can't devote as much time to this project as they would want to . In light of this, I'd add my vote to any proposal that would give 'Lithers with proven web skills access to the guts of the board. Perhaps if we have some other people giving the engine a service, the journey would be a bit smoother.
 
 
grant
18:04 / 12.02.05
1. Just delete the thread. Why are you even asking????

2. Access to guts = REVOLUTION!!!!
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
19:34 / 12.02.05
Probably unnecessary but I've set up this thread in the hopes we can work out what moderators we still have on the board, in case we need to appoint some more.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
20:38 / 12.02.05
any attempt to delete or lock it will wake the 'moderator nazi' brigade up

Yeah but who cares? The "OMFG!!1! This is just like in NAZI GERMANY!!!1!!" crowd will always be with us. I for one am sick of trying to appease them, because, as you point out above, any hint that a moderator might possibly get involved with anything in any way is just too much for some people. Unless there's a clear and compelling argument as to why a particular mod action might be heavy handed or wrong, I'm afraid I don't give a toss. Plenty of unmoderated boards out there, plenty of places they can go and set up their own boards. Don't let the door hit your arse ect.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
20:40 / 12.02.05
I'm just kind of tired of having to fucking hear it, then feeling the need to defend myself against it, I guess.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
21:26 / 12.02.05
I have not been thinking a lot about this, since my real life takes so much time, but I do have a few ideas, thoughts and musings...

1) I think we are navel gazing now. There is a board culture that has stagnated, and there's very little actual discussion and debate. I wince when I read the comics board at times because it all seems like an AOL board with a better vocabulary. Not anyone's fault, just that we arten't getting new viewpoints.

2) Even if we do open the board up, what are we going to do to let people know we're here? I may be in a minority, but I LOVED the webzine, and miss it often. I read things that I didn't know about, disagreed with, and it got be interested in the topics. Maybe it's nostaligia, but I'd like to get that going again.

3) Some people have asked what we want from Barbelith, and what I want is simple...a message board that doesn't insult my intelligence. We have that now, but what we don't have is one teeming with ideas like we had in the good old days of whenever you first showed up. Things are tossed out and...just kind of lay there. Maybe it's time to drop a bomb on the place, shake things up and see what we get. Death is better than stagnation.

I may have more thoughts later. Or maybe I'll pass this by and just go shake some things up myself.
 
 
40%
07:23 / 13.02.05
any attempt to delete or lock it will wake the 'moderator nazi' brigade up. As it is, I'm fairly sure that, as usual, I'm going to get that anyway just for asking people to raise their game.

Oh, grow up. Am I part of the ‘moderator nazi’ brigade just because I suggested that you might just be overreacting a little? To me, that thread was harmless, and it would have died soon enough. I didn’t participate in it to lower the tone, it was just a bit of fun. But you stomped in with your big boots and tried to put a stop to it. I have no problem with moderation, and I have never previously argued with ANY moderation decision. I don’t really CARE if you do delete or lock that thread, I just think you’re a bit of a control freak if you feel the need.

“What do we do with threads like this one?” Jesus.

There are lots of things I’d like to say in response to this thread, but I think this says it all:

Whilst I agree that the board is somewhat dry at the moment, I feel I must add that there seems to be a number of 'old school' posters who enjoy nothing more than a) telling others that their opinion is of no interest and their contribution to threads is useless
and b) reminding us all that Barbelith is not what it used to be.
Now I've posted irregularly since the Nexus, so I'm not simply grousing at a supposed 'Barbelite', but this behaviour is frankly as tedious and negative as all the 'low' level debate r=that is apparently clogging up the board.


And to add, Barbelith is being dragged down by endless discussion about problems that don’t really exist.

all that is left is a slow drip of fools

You should be ashamed of yourself, Haus...
 
 
Spaniel
09:27 / 13.02.05
Barbelith is being dragged down by endless discussion about problems that don’t really exist.

I'm sorry, but that's a self-evidently silly statement. A couple of threads in The Policy - a forum many never read - and the odd comment in other threads hardly constitutes dragging the board down.
And, secondly, the suggestion that we're all waffling on about phantoms in the mist is rather insulting.

I should add that whether you think the board has any problems is rather dependent on your point of view. Perhaps I make demands of Barbelith that you don't? Crazy idea, I know.
 
 
sleazenation
10:20 / 13.02.05
If you want ‘just a bit of fun’, that is largely what the conversation and to a lesser extent the creation provide a home for. Y’see, I feel there is a strong element of ‘if you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem’ operating here. If you aren’t actively attempting to create and/or participate in high-signal debate and are instead devoting your time to largely meaningless ‘bit of fun’ then you are helping devolve barbelith into just another internet hang where you just shoot the shit a repeat the same unfunny jokes.

For what its worth I don’t think there are many people who are deliberately attempting to ‘lower the tone’, but that is the impact altogether too many of their posts are having.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
10:42 / 13.02.05

You should be ashamed of yourself, Haus...


And yet I am not. Partly, of course, because I read what I wrote.

It is not a controversial viewpoint, although statistically more controversial than it _was_, that some of the least interesting and useful thing to add to Barbelith include:

a) I am an enlightened being, JUST LIKE THE INVISBLES. I have DECODED the signals of the HUMATONS. They are SHEEP.

or

b) How dare you suggest that Bill Hicks was not the greatest thinker of his generation, apart from Grant Morrison? Was this board not created in tribute to Grant Morrison? I think if Grant Morrison were reading this, he would be very disappointed.

If you can tell me what else exactly still being called "Barbelith" is attracting, with examples, go for it. Same thing would apply if the board was called "The White Rabbit" or "The da Vinci Code online".

It seems you have joined this thread purely to attack people who had not mentioned you for attacking you, as indeed you did on the "U2 - will they ever piss off?" thread. This seems a little odd. Are you suggesting that what is wrong with the board is that Spatula is on it, and we should do something about that?

Oh, and happy birthday.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
11:33 / 13.02.05
Oh, grow up.

I rest my case.

Learn the facts before sptting your dummy out. I eventually moved it out of Music and into Conversation, rather than putting it up for deletion or locking - as I'd think would have been pretty fucking clear, if you'd bothered to read the post where I said to Duncan about having posted that "before the move took effect". Just a bit of fun? Fine. That's why it's in Conversation. Off you pop - fun's still available to you. In the part of the board specifically for fluff and pointlessness.

Am I part of the ‘moderator nazi’ brigade just because I suggested that you might just be overreacting a little?

See those little date stamps at the top of each post? Those, Watson, are quite a good way of working out whether or not somebody was directly refering to you.

Now, when I linked you to this thread, I sort of thought you might have something constructive to say on the issues raised in it. My mistake. Given that you seem to have mistaken it for my own, personal feedback thread, and having followed Mordant's advice, I don't really CARE what you think about the moderation of the board. Wow. Upper case is so much fun!
 
 
Spatula Clarke
11:40 / 13.02.05
PS: 'Controlling' fora is sort of what moderators do. I think it's in the job description somewhere...
 
 
40%
15:44 / 13.02.05
Haus – do you understand why I said what I said? It wasn’t because I think that people coming on the board with narrow opinions is a good thing, just that I think calling people fools in such a matter of fact way, and also lumping many people in together and classifying them as a social problem, is very callous. I thought what you said was offhand and arrogant and that’s why I said what I said. The rest of the stuff you’ve just mentioned I have no problem with.

Learn the facts before sptting your dummy out.

Facts? What are you on about? I quoted something you said in THIS thread, which seemed to be referring to the U2 thread. It seemed to be making a direct reference to me, and I responded to that. What you posted when is irrelevant. Me telling you to grow up was based on your attitude in this thread, saying that people wouldn’t listen to you when you told them to raise their game. The reason I told you to grow up is that you’re assuming that people’s unwillingness to adjust and listen to your feedback is because of some problem with them, rather than with your snotty attitude.

If you want to debate the facts surrounding the U2 thread, we can do that, but I don’t really see the need. Whether you suggested locking or deletion before or after it was moved makes no difference in my book. I felt it was an overreaction.

Bobossboy – I’m sorry to give offence. But I do place more importance on the policy and help than it being one forum that many people never read. I see it as being the hub of the operation. And if there are only a couple of threads where people are talking, in generalised terms, about contributions to the board not being up to standard, and what should be done about it, that’s too many. What CAN be done about it? I do feel there’s an element of overbearing control-freakerey going on here. I remember reading a thread sometime ago where someone said that Barbelith is not television, and if you’re not happy with the quality of what you’re reading, YOU need to do something about it. And to me, what’s going on here is just about people being bored and expecting Barbelith to entertain them. Except when people talk about the ‘quality of debate’ it sounds more virtuous.

If I’m not clear on this, I don’t think pointless threads should never be locked or deleted, just that you need to see if something is going to grow before you try and kill it. What should we do with idiotic threads? Hope they die, that’s what. And if they don’t die, and show some sign of building momentum on the board, then maybe there’s an argument for trying to kill them. But I feel that in Spatula’s action, and I daresay others, there’s an element of not allowing people to play their hand before judging it.

Sleazenation – that’s a fair point. And that’s why I post a lot less than I used to. For example, I read the thread on entertaining repugnant questions, and much as I wanted to join in the fun, by the time I’d read it all, whatever I posted would be flab, as it had all been covered really. I do take my responsibility not to clog up the board with waffle seriously, and I certainly don’t want to be the one to derail a useful thread. It’s just nice every now and then to have a pointless thread that was never on the rails to begin with, just to let off steam. But like you said, we have the conversation for that.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
16:17 / 13.02.05
The reason I told you to grow up is that you’re assuming that people’s unwillingness to adjust and listen to your feedback is because of some problem with them, rather than with your snotty attitude.

That'd be an assumption, yes. But it'd be an assumption based on the many previous occassions on which a moderator - whether that be me or any of the other people that title applies to - has asked, perfectly reasonably, for a rubbish thread to be lifted out of the gutter and has been answered with accusations of "fascism". Now, maybe you've not seen that happen, in which case fair enough, but I'm certain I'm not the only person who's noticed it before now. In fact, M and g's reactions here are pretty good evidence that I'm not.

It seemed to be making a direct reference to me, and I responded to that. What you posted when is irrelevant.

Er, not really, no. That first sentence doesn't really gel with the second - when it was posted is *entirely* relevant, given that it means that it was impossible for me to be making a direct reference to you. Unless I'd had a premonition that you personally were going to be complaining about me overreacting. And I hadn't.

Also: distributed moderation, yeah? No moderator acts alone. So if it's an overreaction - which I'm certain it wasn't - then I'm not alone in having it.

You can tell when a thread is going to grow and when it's going to become an argument about the thread-starter's intentions. Even more so in Music, where this sort of thing happens far more than it should - thread title "X are shit", first post "Because they are". It's not really the sort of opening from which a great discussion is going to spring, is it? I'd really like to know how you believe that thread could have evolved into anything more than it already was. Especially given that your initial reply to it wasn't exactly tempting people to push it in a new direction. And that you've just now apparently attempted to foster a shitstorm within the thread itself, even though everybody else - including the thread starter himself - has decided that it's not hugely important after all.

And yeah, shit threads die. They die quicker when they're not constantly bumped by people adding more rubbish to them, though, which is why I suggested locking it. The other reason for making that suggestion initially, rather than just moving, was that I know the Convo mods get pissed off with people using their section of the board as the bin.

Now, I asked another question upthread which seems to have been lost in all this. It was: What do you do when a large part of the board seems to prefer the noise to the signal? If the majority of the board just wants to have a knock about and not have discussions that go into great detail, should those who want threads to go into greater depth be trying to force the issue? Should we be making that distinction between noise and signal anyway and, if so, how do we make it?
 
 
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16:49 / 13.02.05
40% - is that the 40% that had that suitname about a year ago? God that brings back memories.

To be honest I think that what happened with the big influx not long ago was that a lot of new people joined who had no idea of just what this board was like. Also, it's possible that with many of those people not being as wise as some of the older members, it seemed to some of you that the whole standard of the board was dropping and it's better days had gone forever.

Looking at this problem positively, I have the idea that as some of the newer people learn more about this board and the world outside, and get wiser themselves to what are good things to discuss here, barb activity will shoot back up again quite a lot.

A lot of people lurk around here, thousands joined and not many post. If these people keep lurking and learning things it's possible that in the near future hundreds of them could be regular posters with some amazing things to contribute.

I personally don't think there's any reason for worry, and that this is just a natural stage after the big influx you had not long back, like a division between new and old members that will eventually start blending back together again.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
16:53 / 13.02.05
The rest of the stuff you’ve just mentioned I have no problem with.

So you totally misunderstood what I said and burst out with an emotive, information-light declaration like "you should be ashamed of yourself"? You should be ashamed of yourself.

I do feel there’s an element of overbearing control-freakerey going on here.

OK - examples. There's the U2 thread, where a suggestion that it be locked or deleted was, you felt, too heavy-handed. It seems everyone agreed, it was moved to the Conversation, Spatula has explained his motives above. Are there other examples where you feel overbearing control-freakery has been shown? Or is it just that and this thread? Only, discussion of how to run Barbelith may be overbearingly controlling, but it is also much what one would expect in the Policy...
 
  

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