Tann,
Sorry. I'm a little lazy with the quotations and plagiarizing. Will use italics from now on.
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"Keynes is a Nazi" is about as useful a criticism as "Keynes is a paedophile". Neither is supported so far by your sources. I would suggest moving off. Also, being a homosexual is not generally considered a bad thing around here, whether or not one combines it with a love of command economies.
agreed, as per my earlier point about the usefullness of ad hominem attacks in debates. it was a wiseass, off-tangent response to something pin said earlier. and again, nothing wrong with being homosexual any more than there is something wrong with being a white european protestant (pin's point was a rehashing of Marx's point that people think "along class lines" or something to that effect and that we need to consider that capitalism originated from white european protestants)
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Anyway, back on topic... I just don't see what the difference is, in your formulation, between a society with a market but also with a government and the states you are idenitfying as socialist. Are you saying that government has to exist or a free market cannot function? If so, does that not mean that those of the Austrian School arguing for anarchism have failed to solve the problem, because their position does not match your view of the ideal (achievable) capitalist society?
the big issue is to what extent is the government DEFENDING private property versus trampling on it. big difference. a system set in place to keep people from messing with other people's private property is not the same--intellectually or practically--as a system that tells people what to do with their property (via regulation, taxation, inflation, etc). Its a tricky issue, and i dont necessarily represent other libertarian/capitalists viewpoints in this matter. In a utopian world no one would interfere with other people's property rights and so this wouldnt be necessary. But there are thieves, killers, etc out there. So do need a very limited, decentralized government.
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I'm confused. I'm also wondering where national defence comes from - would we instead have private armies held by the corporations, and paid for by an extra penny on their products? This seems like we are moving into a model where de facto taxation is offered at the point of sale rather than the point before the paycheque arrives, but it remains taxation. Of course, a company could abolish its army and use the saving to make its product more competitive, but in that case what would stop another company using its own military power against that company? Good manners? The only thing I can see is, again, a regulatory force charged with preventing such things, possibly by having its own military force and using it as a deterrent to the corporations seeking to secure advantage through military action... of course, at that point, somebody has to pay for this army of deterrence, and again the costs go down to the consumer...
no quick way to answer this, and depending on what particularly system you are talking about the answer would vary. others have spent more time working this out than i have. but for starters, could have point-to-point decentralized army of deterrence (think Napster) where people could arm themselves and have localized (contracted) law enforcement. You should try to stop thinking about things in terms of corporations (betraying your socialist leanings) and think about them in terms of the INDIVIDUALS involved. Corporations are legal entities but not real--they dont eat, they dont sleep, etc. Just like "the public good" or "society". Useful as concepts, but the map is not the terrain.
Open question: is there a way to abolish all regulation - that is, if capitalism is a moral imperative will it further compel its practitioners to act morally, and if so according to what morality?
Personally, I think private property rights are the closest we can get to this, and allows for the widest range of individualistic morality (basically, as long as you're doing something on your property and not hurting anyone else or their property without their consent, your morals go). if you want to do drugs, so be it. have kinky sex, sure. hit your head againts the wall? knock yourself out. do i approve of all this? no. but it ain't none of my business what you do on your property. |