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We3 #3

 
  

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_Boboss
07:43 / 11.01.05
ok, gone checked, dc have updated to say jan 26 so i'm still hopeful on that. end feb would be a further serious delay to a late title and would have priobably been known about in time for gm to say so in that superman interview the other week. if your forbidden planet is the london then fuckfuck-furoo them, bastards in there never been worth shit, ultra-apotheosis of comic badshop caricature.
 
 
_Boboss
09:28 / 11.01.05
well sorry for rocking the logjam in this thread, but dc's site says jla classified is due on the 26th now too, so i've just pushed my plans back to jan 29th and aaaall's good.
 
 
alexsheers
11:50 / 11.01.05
Anyone ever had imaginings of WE3 action figures in their heads? Perhaps transformable ones?

Yes yes yes! I'd buy all three like a shot, as long as they were done right. The figures DC Direct did for The Authority were rubbish. They needed a Quitely buff-up!
 
 
Haus of Mystery
11:53 / 11.01.05
My birthday on Jan 27th, which means JLA AND WE3 on my farking birthday!

YES, YES, YEEEEEEEEEEES!!!

Yes.
 
 
Billuccho!
20:27 / 24.01.05
Three page preview, courtesy of PopCultureShock.

Looks nice. Gives me a very large sense of foreboding, though.

Glad to see it's coming out this week.
 
 
FinderWolf
20:41 / 24.01.05
Niiiiice!!

"What did they do to you?" "Good dog." "You won't bite unless you have to, right?"

Good stuff....thanks for the heads-up about the preview.
 
 
petar_g
23:03 / 24.01.05

Nice preview as usual. Once again, we're seeing the entire face of a human who is kind to the cyborgs/animals, as with Roseanne in the first 2 issues.

I had to re-read the 2nd and 3rd pages again - they're obviously a double-page spread, so the large top panels should be read left to right, followed by the small panels at the bottom. Makes more sense that way

And whaddya think he means by tools? Gonna try to break them out of their suits?

We might find out if http://www.comicscontinuum.com posts an extra page in the next 48 hours.......

Petar
 
 
hashmal
22:58 / 25.01.05
it's going to be in store here friday. 2 days time. yay
 
 
hashmal
23:03 / 25.01.05
"i'm not your master and you're not mine"
is this where morrison is going with this one? some kind of liberal wet dream moral where there's 'all indians, no chiefs'?
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
23:33 / 25.01.05
God, three pages in and I'm already depressed.
 
 
Rawk'n'Roll
12:55 / 26.01.05
You know that the hobo's sentiment will be met with razor bullets or something.
Probably from the cat...
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
13:50 / 26.01.05
?SPOILERSSSS?

YAY! Yay, yay, yayyyyY!!!!!!

Best fucking comic ever. Sweet Christmas that was amazing. Heartbreaking and then...YAY.
 
 
Krug
16:07 / 26.01.05
Fucking snowstorm!

Can't go to the store today!

One more day...
 
 
CameronStewart
16:09 / 26.01.05
God, that was brilliant. What an incredible end to an incredible comic.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
21:06 / 26.01.05
Of note [!!SPOILERSSZZZXXXSSS!!]:

- Quites is 100% responsible for the heartbreak present in Roseanne's goodbye because of the way he drew her holding Bandit's muzzle, perfectly capturing the most adorable thing you can do with your pet. I choked up, not on the first read, but the second.

- Although you might have been fooled by that last pair of boots, you shouldn't have been. Quitely even drew the shadow of the toolbox. Read that last sentence over and over until how amazing he is really sinks in.
 
 
Billuccho!
21:51 / 26.01.05
!Spoilerzzz!

It was great, yeah, but I thought the first two issues were better. Plot-wise, it was a bit of a cop-out to *not* have Bandit and Tinker triumph over 4. On the flipside, Roseanne's big scene with Bandit really made the issue, and the series. And I feel really really bad for poor Pirate.

It was nice that they got a happy ending and all, and I liked Dr. Trendle's send-off... Frank's art looked a bit rushed and scratchy by the end, though... and I noticed a lack of clever and distinctive panel work in this one.

Good issue, though, and great series. I still think Seaguy was better, but... I'm sure on further rereading I'll love We3 even more. And damn, that cover still gets me every time.

Bring on Vimanarama!
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
23:03 / 26.01.05
Cried like a fucking baby.
 
 
Jake, Colossus of Clout
03:42 / 27.01.05
It was damn good. I liked this better than the first two.

The expressions on the animal's faces were un-fucking-believably good. Pirate looked tough as hell on page 11, panel 3. It looked like he was saying "Bring it on, bitch." And then he got torn up, which was awful to see. But he went out tough as hell anyway.

Bandit losing it after Pirate and Roseanne died (pg. 21, panels 1-3) and going for the kill was perfectly drawn, too. "Bad dog. BAD DOG. BAD DOG. BAD! DOG!" Just two words, but the context and the art gave those three panels so much impact. Shivers.

The black, spiky word balloon for WE4's speech was great, too. Just pure animal bloodlust. Yuck. Creepy.

I didn't think they would just be able to take those suits off like that, though. It was a little bit of a cop-out, in my opinion. And Grant should have killed that goddamn cat, not poor Pirate. That was the worst bit, for me.

Seaguy was better. But this was very, very good comics. I love Morrison. When does Vimanarama come out?
 
 
wicker woman
10:22 / 27.01.05
Oh my. Oh Morrison, you complete bastard. You mean you're not just going to tug on the heartstrings, you're going to tie the damn things in a knot and then stomp up and down on them, Spider-Jerusalem style?

What a great/depressing/horrible/uplifting/beautiful comic. Kudos to Grant and Frank.

SPO1LERS BELOW


























I have to admit, even though I was cheering for Bandit, Tinker, and Pirate, I was still kind of depressed at the ultimate fate of We4. He was just as helpless a tool as We3 were, and what's his fate? "Oop, he attacked someone besides one of our designated targets." *BOOM*. "Bioengineered to emit 10 times the level of "Top Dog" phermone."

The last scene with Pirate was completely heartbreaking. I about lost it at "Uh oh."

"Is coat not we."

Arf. Thanks, Grant.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
14:24 / 27.01.05
I fucking knew he'd kill the rabbit. Nice disrespectful turd-bomb goodbye though. I'm pleased Mozzer's sentimental streak won out. Read this over a pint today (MY BIRTHDAY!) and was welling up - agree 1000% on the good doctor holding Bandit's muzzle. Nearly sent me over the edge. Liked the homeless guy. Slight echoes of the stranger King Mob encounters throughout the Invisibubbles. Yes. Very good comic.

*sniff*
 
 
miss wonderstarr
15:32 / 27.01.05
I thought you people were wussies for crying over the doggie and pussy (and bunny) in #1 and #2, but goddamn this issue hit me like a teargas bomb.
 
 
FinderWolf
16:47 / 27.01.05
IS COAT NOT WE!!!!

Fucking great. I don't know why people are comparing it to Seaguy, it's totally different to me. Apples and oranges, ya know. They're both great in their own ways, for what they are.

>> Bandit losing it after Pirate and Roseanne died (pg. 21, panels 1-3) and going for the kill was perfectly drawn, too. "Bad dog. BAD DOG. BAD DOG. BAD! DOG!" Just two words, but the context and the art gave those three panels so much impact. Shivers.

Yeah, this was definitely a high point for me.

>> I didn't think they would just be able to take those suits off like that, though. It was a little bit of a cop-out, in my opinion.

I had this thought also. A random homeless guy on the street is able to safely extract all that technoshit from them? Huh. And what's more, the cat and dog were able to take most of it off themselves?

It was actually creepy NOT hearing the dog talk at the end (only barking) after 3 issues of him talking. Funny reversal.

I also thought it was a bit much of a coincidence for the other official guy to run into the homeless guy and the pets on the steps of the courthouse. But I'll allow it.
 
 
Jake, Colossus of Clout
17:14 / 27.01.05
FinderWolf-- I think we're just comparing Seaguy and WE3 because they're recent three-issue Vertigo miniseries by one G. Morrison, not because of any overt similarities in the work itself. I'm sure we'll be comparing Vimanarama to both soon enough.

Damn. Grant's been ON lately. This is awesome.
 
 
Professor Silly
17:21 / 27.01.05
I went into this issue expecting certain things and wondering how much they could affect me emotionally.

So color me surprised when the thing that put me over the edge was seeing Rosanne's death. It was just so senseless that I broke down and sobbed. Shoot, even writing about it the next day gets me teary-eyed. And then, just when I pulled myself together, seeing the cat bring a fresh kill to the dog (who looked so sick) coupled by the unexpected happy ending kept me sobbing for a while.

Damn you, Grant, for making me care for things that don't even exist. Bless you, for having a mind that can come up with this stuff.
 
 
Elegant Mess
18:28 / 27.01.05
I'd been keeping a stiff upper lip through the first two issues until Roseanne's muzzle-fondling made me bawl like a child. Birdie's right; there's just something so familiar about it that makes it hugely affecting...

I have a question, though. I forget whether this has been brought up in the threads for the first two issues, so if it has, I apologise in advance.

Why is the US government stealing its citizen's pets? Wouldn't it be easier to breed their own animals than to land Black Helicopters in back yards across the nation and make off with beloved family animals?
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
19:21 / 27.01.05
I got the impression they were just scooping up lost pets. But I guess that's just six of one, half dozen of the other.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
19:44 / 27.01.05
Damn you Grant, for making me care about things that don't even exist

I think fairly eloquently deals with a lot of the plot points that've been raised so far. Not that I'm saying they that weren't worth raising, so -

Spoliers






The homeless guy, if we're prepared to buy the idea that he was a tech genius who became so disgusted with the regime he was working for that he preferred to live on the streets, which given that Roseanne threw herself in front of the snipers bullets when they were focused on Bandit, and had already attempted suicide by letting them loose in the first place, doesn't seem like too big a leap, would have been there on the courthouse steps, I'd have thought, he'd have read the papers, after all.

Given that the Doctor's sold his story, and is going into court, the interaction between the two is a bit like one of the ongoing themes in teh Invisibles, where you've got characters from diametrically-opposed backgrounds knowing perfectly what each other is on about, but talking round it, obliquely.

As far as the armour being taken off, well I don't see a problem - I'd assummed the animals ( though it's tough to think of them as that )were biologically hard-wired into their uniforms, but the script never actually says that - They might have needed drugs to stay in their machines ( D'you see what George did there ? ) but if the wires were just say, something similar to modem connections, and given that these were animals trained in combat situations, that they were in effect as hard as nails, they'd be more than capable of disconnecting themselves if that was what was necessary. Really, If P, T and B had got caught up to no good in say Cuba, the armour would have to be something that could be easily divested by Dr B's gearstick, surely ?

( Just, y'know, throwing ideas out here )
 
 
FinderWolf
20:46 / 27.01.05
wasn't there a thing in the first issue where the woman says they'll surely get sick and die without all their medication, armor or no?
 
 
gergsnickle
00:40 / 28.01.05
wasn't there a thing in the first issue where the woman says they'll surely get sick and die without all their medication, armor or no?

I got the sense that they needed antibiotics to treat the infections that would spring up in them with the machinery and all.

I also got the sense that there was more to their rescuer than just some homeless guy.

Fantastic issue!
 
 
■
00:44 / 28.01.05
[sniffle]
Ace.
 
 
Krug
01:30 / 28.01.05
Was I the only who thought the homeless guy might have been Frank Quitely (I have no idea what he looks like but I felt that way for odd reason)?

I can't even begin to compare Seaguy and We3, am I glad he got off the Marvel bus when he did. When I read Seaguy I was pretty sure We3 wouldn't be half as good. It's Grant season. First we get two Doom Patrol trades (where's the third one?), then Sebastian O (which was admittedly a waste), followed by Seaguy, We3, JLA, with Vimanarama and Superman to follow this year. What more can anyone ask for?
 
 
Krug
01:31 / 28.01.05
Before anyone says it...

Flex Mentallo trade. Didn't Didio or Bob Wayne say it might come out this year without Flex Mentallo on the cover?
 
 
Alex's Grandma
01:51 / 28.01.05
Medication, armour or no

I don't know if that was ever explicitly stated, FW, but either way, I don't think anyone's saying, for a second, that this was anything like as good as the major DC event ths year ( you know the one I mean. )
 
 
diz
05:27 / 28.01.05
First we get two Doom Patrol trades (where's the third one?), then Sebastian O (which was admittedly a waste), followed by Seaguy, We3, JLA, with Vimanarama and Superman to follow this year. What more can anyone ask for?

how about Seven Soldiers?
 
 
Ganesh
10:30 / 28.01.05
I got the impression "medication" = immunosuppressants to stop their immune systems from rejecting the implants - so it follows that if they've managed to divest themselves of the implants, they'd no longer need the medication.

I can buy that with regard to the last scene. Problem is, how have they managed to get rid of the implants? The armour presumably attaches to implanted nodes, which is why it's ultimately removable, but the nodes themselves would appear to be hardwired to the animals' nervous systems. One wonders how a bum with a toolbox has managed to successfully perform what would amount to complex neurosurgery. Maybe I've missed something...

The armour itself made me think of Reichian 'character armour', the idea of the Black Iron Prison in which we seal ourselves - and one assumes it was being given his former identity back which allowed (or at least helped) Bandit to shed it. It's a literalised extension of his conditioning.
 
  

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