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Don't be melodramatic, Duncan, or if you are going to be melodramatic be melodramtic based on the actual content of the post. As it is, I realised that I had phrased that badly, and have put in an edit. However, I never said that you had said, written (n)or held a belief remotely comparable to these prize shits. . I realise that I spend most of my time here now helping people out who do not or cannot read posts, so I'm not going to hold that against you. I said, in my pre-corrected post, that early on in your Barbelith journey there had been weird race shit which might have seen you banned out of hand if banning out of hand is what we do. That is quite true. You didn't actually even acknowledge that that weird race shit was at all off for three years.
That was way back in 2002 - reference here. I am quoting exactly what you said by providing a link to it. This is not a slur or "distorting". It was 2005 before you acknowledged that possibly making such a claim might act to normalise racist terminology - here. Again, I am identifying exactly what you said and when you sad it, and providing a link, and do not therefore believe that I am distorting.
If I had known that banning you was an option in 2002, I might have been very tempted to start that ball rolling right then.
Now, we can look back and see you as a beautiful, unfolding flower in the process of a journey towards selfhood. However, I would quite possibly have taken you off the board, if that had been a regularly-tabled option, on the grounds that the possibility of some happy time later when you were a valued member - and, gosh, a moderator - was massively outweighed by the damage treating that kind of language as acceptable did to the image and structure of the board. In fact, you know what? What you did,and then defended for three years, was _more shocking_ than anything bacon or wth@w have done - much more so, in fact. But at that point we just didn't ban people, so you got away with it - for three years, in fact, at which point you made that post of acknowledgement.
So, do they add anything to justify the poor quality of these posts? Not really. Are they either intentionally or unintentionally goading others with offensive behaviour? Pretty much. Are their contributions of low quality? Yep. I think some would have said the same of you in 2002.
However, can you start bouncing around the suggestion that a move to ban is made without a banning thread or any discussion - and indeed, stating quite clearly that you can't be bothered to find evidence of banworthy behaviour, because bacon's name is a common noun - without that coming across as more bad moderation? No, I don't think you can, and to do so is more bad moderation. If you want to ban bacon, start a banning thread. If you want to ban bacon but don't care to go to the effort to start a thread, ask other people to do it for you. A bit of discussion won't kill the board, especially given that he has posted 140 times in five years of membership. If you're genuinely so excited about the possibility of being able to ban people without consultation and just by gathering a banning mob of five here and waiting for a post in a forum you moderate - well, then we're basically looking at _actually_ justifying those claims about lynch mobs that we get every so often, and that seemed serious enough to me to justify pointing out that it was quite some time before you "got", even a little bit, what had been upsetting about your statements of several years previously.
I'm not a fan of bacon's contributions, or the PMs he has sent me when encouraged to improve his posting quality. However, he deserves due process, at the very least, and if being incoherent and borderline offensive every six months or so is behaviour bad enough to justify being picked off by a bansniper without discussion then I will draw up a list and we can go through. As it is, I am inclined to assign it to the pile of tits-awful moderation ideas and move on.
Now, since I didn't say that you had said, written nor held a belief remotely comparable to these prize shits., could I get an apology for the insults and abuse you used in your last post? |
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