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Haus about we all give each other a big lovely huggle?

07:12 / 25.02.02

Never mind. Move along. Nothing to see.

(Hmm...seeecret)

Glint - to be honest, not sure. Tom mentioned it on the Gathering thread for Rothky's birthday, so I assumed it was no longer a secret. I'm now going to hang around for a "steer" on this one....

[ 25-02-2002: Message edited by: The Haus of Deletia ]

07:16 / 25.02.02

How did we find out?

And why did Flyboy lie to me and make it seem like a secret when you're posting it on here?

Why does my back hurt?

Why did I ask that?

07:18 / 25.02.02

I think I speak for many of us when I say, what the fuck?

Regrettable Juvenilia

07:33 / 25.02.02

Don't look at me, I have no idea what they're on about.

07:46 / 25.02.02

Aw...

Arse.

Ok - here we go - I e-mailed the godhead a while back and suggested that he joined the board. Someone shortly afterwards joined the board with a very plausible Morrison-esque e-mail address, which they proceeded to hide from the board. The name they used to post by was not a morrison-esque name. They posted about twenty times - made some slightly askew comments about New X meN that seemed to imply information about the series that no one else had - no one picked up on it though. They then proceeded to muck around a bit elsewhere.

Almost immediately, because we are still recovering from the Knowledge, he got yelled at by a variety of people, including myself. And I shortly afterwards got a private message from the suit in question asking to be signed off and deleted.

I mentioned to a few people the other night that a lot of the signs pointed towards the person in question being Grant - and that (in fact) that's who I personally believed it was. We have no evidence, of course.

I don't know if this is a tremendous disappointment to everyone, or a tremendous success - killing the godhead style...

Anyway - I e-mailed the person concerned as I would anyone who had declared their itntention to leave, and explained the current situation - I've yet to hear anything back from them....

07:49 / 25.02.02

Mr. Insensitive?

Ah well. This place shouldn't be about one person anyway (even if he does write some good comics). Looking at responses Insensitive got in the NXM Year2 thread is actually kind of funny now. I say we run Ellis off the WEF next.

[ 25-02-2002: Message edited by: Bio K9 ]

08:11 / 25.02.02

... there's a lesson in there somewhere ... something about acceptance/ cliques/ book cover judging/ etc ... I think we've gone down that path before though ...

Haus about we all give each other a big lovely huggle?

08:17 / 25.02.02

I think it demonstrates that if you behave like a twart, you get treated like a twart. And given that Mr. Insensitive's major contribution apart from eerie hints that New X-Men Year 2 was going to be *Really Good* was backing up Bitter Scone's right to say (humourously, of course) that dissenting women should be raped, I'm not sure that we just lost a cure for cancer...

08:18 / 25.02.02

If you want acceptance, join a clique that sets fire to book covers?

08:33 / 25.02.02

quote: I'm not sure that we just lost a cure for cancer...

There was meant to be a just a touch of sarcastic irony in my post. Bio's nearer the mark.

Anyway, I think you're reaction is right- consistancy is always the best policy. I'm sure Chris Waddle's a tool in real life too ...

08:33 / 25.02.02

if grant morrison is/was indeed mr insensitive, then i would certainly go along with haus' comments. also would voice much disquiet - remember the hilarious interview? he seems to have so little problem with rape that i wonder what the fuck anyone sees in him....

10:03 / 25.02.02

If was Mr Insensitive, then I really am gonna glass his cats...

10:55 / 25.02.02

I assumed "Mr. Insensitive" was kind of a comedy suit aimed at making mildly offensive comments and observing the responce..

So why did he ask to be deleted?

Seems kinda hard to imagine GM getting upset and pulling a "screw you guys, I'm going home".. all a bit childish really.

[ 25-02-2002: Message edited by: Rizla Year Zero ]

11:04 / 25.02.02

quote:Originally posted by Rizla Year Zero:

So why did he ask to be deleted?

[ 25-02-2002: Message edited by: Rizla Year Zero ]

Maybe he got bored or had to go home to colour in his cartoons?

11:52 / 25.02.02

We've had suits on here that were designed for stirring it up before, mostly from those already here. Now some of those have been both effective and entertaining (I'm mostly thinking of those created by 'Nesh here). Some of Mr Insenstive's posts seemed like an attempt to do the same kind of thing.

Unfortunately, in hir attempts to provoke a reaction, Mr Insensitive was just a bit shit.

Barbelith outgrew its origins as the Grant Morrison Fan Club a long, long time ago. If he wants to post on here I'm sure that everyone will welcome him as they would any other poster. If he wants to act like a dick, I'm sure that everyone will treat him like one.

Matthew Fluxington

11:59 / 25.02.02

Wow, reading all of those posts now, it really could be GM. That's funny, particularly in his NXM thread - when he was writing about Jean and Logan "being forces of nature" I cringed thinking it was some random fanboy, but coming from the writer himself, I guess it's marginally less goofy. No, actually, maybe it's goofier.

Assuming that Mr. Insensitive was him, I do respect that the guy came here anonymously and dealt with the board that way rather than posting as Grant Morrison and having folks just fawn over him.

12:30 / 25.02.02

I assumed "Mr. Insensitive" was kind of a comedy suit aimed at making mildly offensive comments and observing the response...– Rizla Year Yero

I think it demonstrates that if you behave like a twart, you get treated like a twart.– Haus

I figured that if Tom had put a hold on new membership and someone signs on as of Feb 2002, it was either going to be Cal or one of Tom's buddies. And with a name like "Mr. Insensitive", I think many – if not most of us – knew what we were getting there.

That being said, I don't care WHO the fuck you are, rape isn't funny.

12:36 / 25.02.02

Pre-cisely.

12:39 / 25.02.02

How about monkeys raping Watermelons? Is *that* funny? Or Anne Widdecombe dawbed in Braveheart blue and waving a claymore while raping William Hague?

12:42 / 25.02.02

Not really... it would be quite funny if Doris Karloff was dominating Hague in a consensual context...

Matthew Fluxington

12:44 / 25.02.02

Watermelons can be raped? I wouldn't think they'd have a say either way...

pointless and uncalled for

12:45 / 25.02.02

I thought everyone knew, watermelons always want it. When they say no, they really mean yes, it's all part of the fantasy for them.

12:46 / 25.02.02

Funny weird, not funny ha ha.

12:48 / 25.02.02

tom - the original 'find her and rape her!' comment was bloody unfunny to say the least; can't find a way of looking at it that doesn't make me angry and wonder about the poster. for someone to then tell me i'm being petty about asking what the fuck the poster is saying here speaks volumes about that person also.

don't you think?

12:52 / 25.02.02

(cautiously now.)

Uh... anyone willing to point me to that thread? (Not the X-Men one, the one about rape)

12:56 / 25.02.02

Let's not let this get out of hand. There's a difference between malice, ignorance (not in terms of rape being harmful, but causing offence and being sensitive to other people's thresholds) and a silly, throw-away joke (which I think the melons ditty was).

We could debate in the Headshop whether it is acceptable to joke about *offensive topics* if the person you're joking with knows you're joking and wouldn't take offence or whether one must not make light of such horrors, but I don't think it is worth blowing this up here.

[ 25-02-2002: Message edited by: Sauron ]

13:00 / 25.02.02

sauron - sorry. was talking *to* tom, rather than having a go *at* him. regarding two specific comments.

[for reference: both from the 'i think i'm going mad' thread]

We're The Great Old Ones Now

13:15 / 25.02.02

I missed this whole thing. Sheesh.

Morrison may be a genius (although it's worth remembering you don't have to be brilliant all the time to get that label) or he may just write some very engaging stuff...if there's a difference...

That doesn't make him perfect. Or even necessarily likable, if you get right down to it.

It would be a shame if he decided not to come and play. It would be worse if the board soft-pedalled on issues like this in order to keep him here. Maybe, despite his departure (if it was he), the dialogue will alter the way he approaches rape in his writing. In which case this was an important thing.

If not, it wouldn't be Barbelith I'd lose respect for.

And maybe the whole thing is a non-event, and the real, Platonic, actual, one and only Grant Morrison is reading this in a state between beewilderment, horror and delight, in some fictional universe all his own, and the one we've got is just a pastel copy.

13:19 / 25.02.02

(er, bad day at work.)

[ 25-02-2002: Message edited by: I'm Not Here de Jade ]

Less searchable M0rd4nt

13:30 / 25.02.02

I think ppl reacted more stongly to Scone's original remark (and to Insensitive's comments on that response) than they would have done if we weren't all a bit on edge. Don't think we were being petty tho.

Part of me responded to the news with a big "oops!", but part of me was thinking "Cool beans!"

[Edited to reflect the fact that member 517 has upgraded from Scones to Crumpets.]

[ 25-02-2002: Message edited by: Mordant C@rnival ]

14:03 / 25.02.02

Hello-o?

Less searchable M0rd4nt

14:19 / 25.02.02

Um. Hello?

14:43 / 25.02.02

hmmm... I must have missed out Mr. Insensitive's bad behavior. he seemed like a quite all right guy from what I did see...

though I was curious why he was so insistant about getting people's reactions in that new x-men thread.

wow, grant morrison possibly walking among us as a junior member.... pretty neat. and probably about as close as I'll ever come to the "I saw Elvis as the gas station!" business....

14:45 / 25.02.02

gridley - i'd rather see elvis, myself.

We're The Great Old Ones Now

14:51 / 25.02.02

Yeah. Seeing Elvis would be really cool, especially if he was, like, thin and distinguished and old, but still had a great voice and presence.

Seeing Grant Morrison would be like seeing this writer bloke with a head full of cool ideas which you often can't see on the outside, any more than you can read a video tape with your eyes.

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