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Combat Magick & The US Presidential Debates

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01:25 / 01.10.04

click on this...

it's my rorshach sigil -- so any images you see within are strictly projections of your own subconscious.

01:46 / 01.10.04

Good show lads! Hit those links!

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01:47 / 01.10.04

Well, managed to catch the debate after all. I was kinda hoping for demons and what not to appear, but oh well (halo). Bush did seem to give a weaker performance, stammering over words, long bouts of silence, lots of repetitions: "Wrong war at the wrong place at the wrong time", "Grand Diversion", "It's a hard job", "Mixed Messages". Kerry seemed fairly composed and smiled a bit. Bush did seem to dodge the issues quite a bit, and didn't quote as many facts. I'm looking foward to future debates, especially ones that deal with the economy or social issues. Bush seemed on the defensive quite a bit.

I don't know what anyone else did, but I didn't plan my course of action in this at all... I find that spontenous magick can be very effective because it's less pre-planned. So while I was watching the debate I was eating a cookie. I observed that I had eaten it into the shape of a crescent moon. Inspired, when Kerry was on the screen I held it up to his face (right-side up to resemble a smile) and visualised a smile shoot towards Kerry face like a pastry missle. Then when Bush was on I reversed the oatmeal smile to a frown and held it up to his face, projecting a frown visualisation. I can't say this did anything, but I like magick that involves sweets. Bush did stammer for a few seconds during the frown phase of the operation.

I waved to you imp.

I just heard my brother read some on-line poll that said 70% percent said Kerry won the debate. Of course, it's still early.

02:05 / 01.10.04

Well, current MSNBC survey numbers put Kerry "winning the debate" 73% to 27% for Bush. Good go, Kerry.

Seriously, he wiped the floor with Bush, and then Bush went and wiped the floor with Bush, too. People can try to spin it how they want for all the people who didn't watch the debate, but I don't think there's any question whatsoever who won.

And, for a magickal note, the very moment the debate ended, my treated candle went up like a fucking torch -- 6-8 inch flame, as big around as my thumb. The dregs are quietly burning themselves out now, but the Fiery Wall of Protection around Kerry should hold through the post-debate spin campaign.

G'night! Don't get caught!

~L

Aw hell, BUSH LOST!

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03:20 / 01.10.04

I could only watch the first half, but it made me happy. I'll leave out details, but I spent a lot of that time keeping an aura of protection on Kerry and shining up his throat chakra nice and bright, and whispering doubts into the mind of the opponent. Of course, earlier today I tried a variant of the compassion thing. I actually prayed to Jesus (well, I figured there'd be more of a shot of it going through). No telling which had more effect, but the doubts thing seemed to work well-- in that Bush seemed to do worse when I was concentrating and better when I stopped.

Bush lost this debate. He lost it hard. I'm spreading the meme that he's too cowardly to be reelected. He's losing the post-debate, too. Let's keep it up for the next one. Thanks everyone for your help, and protect yourself before you sleep because I'm feeling the rebound already.

11:23 / 01.10.04

Thanks for the wave, Fab Mr. M.

Mucho magick was directed toward Kerry. I tried to stay away from hexing Bush but a few time I couldn't resist giving him the evil eye. Chad's sigil was also with me.

And like I said in the Switchboard, this should've been Bush's strong debate and he lost. So in the next two... he should get totally schooled.

11:36 / 01.10.04

I cannot understand how this was supposed to be the best Bush could do

Not being a US resident, it strikes me that Bush was on 'dodgy' ground here

Admittedly, Kerry can be accused of flip flopping, but all he has to say is that in light of new evidence ....he purely ADAPTED his stance

Bush is still quoting the same old tired line and Kerry should face the 'flip flopping' accusation by stating how adaptable and able, he is to face new challenges

Bush is claiming he has true grit, whilst the rest of the world is increasingly viewing his actions as those of an at best
feeble minded and idiotic simpleton

at worst

a corrupt and borderline evil, psychopath

Whilst Kerry is still beholden to the same vested interests, he couldn't possibly be any worse for the US and the rest of the world than Bush.

12:26 / 01.10.04

This is verging on thread-rot, but some thoughts on the theme of "Bush has loads of fundamentalist Christians praying for him". This is often considered as a kind of magical power that the opposition is weilding, something that works for the enemy, an obstacle that activist magicians have to contend with. This line of thinking seems to presuppose that this Christian magical power is produced by fundamentalists enflaming themselves with prayer, generating some form of "gnostic power", and then sending that "energy" in a specific direction much like a sigil or a bolt of lightning.

The actual entity Jesus Christ doesnt seem to come into this speculative process, despite the fact that this hypothetical magical obstacle is constructed within a religious context. If Christians are working something analogous to magic on behalf of Bush, they do not believe they are doing it themselves. They think Jesus will listen to their prayers and intervene on behalf of Bush, because it's the right thing to do.

There's not much in the New Testament that makes me think the entity Jesus Christ would in any sense want to be in the pocket of the Republican party. A possible idea is to engage with him as an entity, pray to him, go to a church and explain the situation to him as you see it, tell him what people are doing in his name. It goes against much of what we know about the personality of Jesus and his teachings, that he would throw his oar in with a mass of people just because they pay lip service to him, whilst simultaenously acting from greed and waging financially motivated wars. Have a chat. See what he says. If you can have a relationship with Shiva, you can have a relationship with Christ.

13:01 / 01.10.04

Gypsy Lantern: good point about Jesus, yes. And, so far as the petition itself goes, I agree - Jesus, from the way he is portrayed in the New Testament, is not likely to back the Republicans as a political party. More concerning to me, though, is the focused intent to harm the perceived "enemies" of the President, which is fed by the often fairly extreme, ecstatic "charge" of radical (especially group) prayer - whether or not it's framed in terms of magick (as, indeed, it wouldn't be). Again, it may be extraneous to the petition itself, but I think it's still a potentially volatile force that needs to be accounted for. Not all acts of magick are conscious and deliberate, nor do they need to be in order to cause damage.

As far as having a sit-down with Jesus, goes, I think it's a good idea. And there are plenty of Christians who oppose Bush who could do just that - with a good chance that he'll listen. We can certainly hope so.

~L

[Bush Lost]

Boy in a Suitcase

14:12 / 01.10.04

What about some kind of work to redirect that energy in some way?

[Bush Lost]

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15:20 / 01.10.04

Gypsy Lantern: Did that yesterday. I'll keep doing it. The problem seems to be that some of Jesus' followers are making Jesus schizophrenic. But the aspect of Him I talked to is, most definitely, On Our Side(tm).

16:16 / 01.10.04

I keep thinking about that one story (I don't remember which gospel), where Jesus is talking about all the holier than thou types who are doing things to be seen doing them, saying things to be heard saying them. At the end, when it's time for reckoning, Jesus will look at them and say "I don't know you..."

Exactly who are these nutty fundamentalists fooling? Not Jesus. I wouldn't worry about the power of prayer from Christians who don't follow Christ.

16:46 / 01.10.04

It's Matthew 7, gale...

"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

"Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

"And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

I think an awful lot of people will be hearing that one.

17:33 / 01.10.04

I stuck a link to some early Fox News spin in the Switchboard thread. Apparently, one tack is going to be to make the debate victor look like a smartypants and a pretty boy.

That's their line of attack. Build defenses appropriately.

17:48 / 01.10.04

Sekhmet: Thanks for the Matthew quote. That's the one.

As for Fox trying to put a Kerry negative spin on the debate, I'd like to see it! I watched the debate only for a couple minutes, and I have never seen anyone so uncomfortable in their skin as Bush. He squirmed, fidgeted, had that funny, pinched look on his face, and seemed utterly lost. Kerry, I was happy to see, looked friendly, relaxed, and confident (but not arrogant).

Are they going to say Kerry made the president uncomfortable? Damn straight he did! And it really, truly was supposed to be Bush's strongest debate. Still, it certainly doesn't hurt to prepare for an attack. I think I'll employ mirrors...

Boy in a Suitcase

19:35 / 01.10.04

A friend just sent this too me:

"oh man there was a glitch in the television last night, watching the debates, when kerry siad something like i can look the american people right in the eye, the view shifted, drawing his eyes closer, if i had been more than high i would begin suspecting mind control"...

Hmm?

22:05 / 01.10.04

My Fellow Americans,

Things are hard. They require hard work, which makes them hard. But we have to do these hard things with resolve. We can't send mixed messages about the hard things we have to do with resolve. Because they're hard things to do. And they require resolve.

And don't forget Poland.

Thank you, and God bless America.

George W. Bush

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22:05 / 01.10.04

Jesus? Don't you mean Mithra?

22:11 / 01.10.04

BTW, my debate working consisted primarily of trying to step into the pauses Bush would often make. In those moments his brain was smoking, a whirling void trying to manifest anything. I tried to project feelings of inadaquecy and anger, mixed with sudden realizations of compassion, the lie he wears, and the masters he serves. George is a child living a lie, defending evil archons and believeing he's doing good. I want him to become keenly and painfully aware of the beauty and glory that is life, and that he's selling the goddess down the river for greed and power.

Alternatively I chanted the mantra "open our hearts to the love of life", though at some points I changed this to simply "georrrrrrge, georrrrrge, georrrrrge" as if I were at a baseball game harassing the man at bat.

But some of those pauses of his were like giant gaping gateways into his frightened soul.

01:23 / 02.10.04

>> Jesus? Don't you mean Mithra?

Or Mothra...or maybe those cute but weird telepathic twins Mothra hung around with.

But anyway...

I sat on my couch holding Chad's sigil to my solar plexus focusing energy on it the whole time. Worked a little mojo and watched Bush panic and unravel...

17:06 / 02.10.04

Sorry I couldn't participate in a deeper way in this work, but there were personal issues that had to take priority. It's only politics, after all. ;-) Nevertheless, I was able to watch the debates at a friend's place on his wall-size flat-screen. Life-size Bush and Kerry in the living room. Every time I got up for drinks or whatnot, I'd have to pass right in front of the screen, so I'd give Georgie a little waggle of my ass or thrust my hips out and yell "Suggit, Georgie. SUGGIT!" (sound it out, you'll get it)

You folks doing the work though, you had a noticeable effect! Did anyone else pick up on the fact that Georgie kept hunching lower and lower into his podium, as if he were being pounded from above by a giant fist? This "wilting", compared to Kerry's upright stance throughout, sent a crystal clear message to all those in TV land.

And yes, I too noticed a different quality to Kerry's eyes as he spoke directly to us Americans.

Help IS on the way. And thanks to all of you for your efforts.

22:00 / 02.10.04

Apparently, one tack is going to be to make the debate victor look like a smartypants and a pretty boy.

It would take a lot of work to make Kerry look like a pretty boy:P

No matter, I honestly don't see how anyone could say with a straight face that Bush won or was even remotely able to hold his own against Kerry. I wouldn't be surprised if the Bush camp tries to find some trumped-up excuse to cancel further debates.

Two more to go, our work is not yet done...

00:48 / 03.10.04

it seems barbe magick worked well for the debates. but wont drawing all sorts of attention to bush help him in the end?

i am referring partly to all the 'bush loses' suits. imagine ann coulter publishing '50% of users at the liberal/anarchist site barbelith pay homage to bush'. that image should illustrate my magickal point.

LVX23 and Gypsy Lantern have good ideas: enlightening bush and intercepting jesus. i think i will go to church this sunday and pray for mr bush. if bush can be saved, anyone can, eh?

i am not going to participate in antibush politics because i think four more years of him (and then four of hillary) will wake this planet up, even if millions die. i am not so eager to return to a democrat climate of committing atrocious crimes with a flippant smile instead of a studied intensity.

Nietzsch E. Coyote

01:35 / 03.10.04

i am referring partly to all the 'bush loses' suits. imagine ann coulter publishing '50% of users at the liberal/anarchist site barbelith pay homage to bush'. that image should illustrate my magickal point.

Make a 'Kerry wins' suit then.

14:30 / 04.10.04

Yah!! Kerry Wins might be a little better than Bush Loses. But do What Ye Will.

16:17 / 04.10.04

Along the lines of positivity, it would really be helpful to the democrats if Edwards makes Cheney drop the F bomb tomorrow. (As long as no one gets hurt!)

16:58 / 04.10.04

Here's one for the swing-staters:

If you have an undecided voter that you know, or even a "casual" Bush supporter who isn't behind the acting President personally but usually votes Republican, it might not be a bad idea to try out a "sweetener" spell to give their opinions a nudge.

If you're not familiar with this class of spell, the basic idea is to take a sweet fruit like an apple, or a jar of honey or syrup, etc. and use it to bring together two people by "sweetening" their relationship (you can find countless variations on this basic spell all over the web, so I won't get into any more detail here). These spells aren't used just for love, but also to sweeten business deals, juries, the in-laws, etc. (And, for those worried about the ethics of the spell, sweetener spells are generally considered to be among the least coercive of the love/relationship spells, as well as having the most "natural"-seeming effect. It's like the magickal equivalent of a couple glasses of wine in a comfortable setting - enough to open your eyes to what is appealing about the other person, without forcing you to like them.) Now, the spell is somewhat less effective without personal concerns (hair, etc.) from both parties, but even with only a name-paper for John Kerry (and personal concerns from the voter) it should still be able to come off.

This type of spell would probably be most effective for the "I don't really like Bush, but I'm just not sure about Kerry... I mean, he doesn't seem to, etc. etc."-type of potential voter, someone who might've been swayed by the debate (had they watched it) or a Kerry rally (had they been there), but wasn't. Get that vote, Barbelith!

Personally, I'm in Massachusetts, so that one...more...vote... is probably less crucial here than elsewhere, but for those of you in swing states...? Give it some thought. Then do it.

Kerry wins, Bush Loses. What else need I say?

~L

18:06 / 04.10.04

Very cool idea - and I've never heard of a sweetening spell, it's a very interesting concept. I see why it's not considered coercive, since it's just giving focus to whatever positive emotions are already there between people.

19:09 / 04.10.04

(Finderwolf: as a qualifying aside, I should note that it is easy to make a sweetening spell more coercive, and some of the versions on the 'net doubtlessly do so - my point was that it doesn't have to be, and often isn't.) ~L

20:25 / 07.10.04

Bush v. Kerry, #2 - tomorrow night, 9 pm!

12:55 / 08.10.04

Fight the power tonight! Can I get a shout-out on this? I'm concerned that interest in this thread seems to have dropped off after the 1st debate...

16:08 / 08.10.04

Finderwolf: I think everyone is plenty interested!

I'm wondering how to approach number 2. There doesn't seem to be any way Bush can appear worse than he did in the first debate and not much chance that he will appear better (unless he just smiles and nods the whole time and says nothing). Even if he brings more than 30 minutes of material this time, things are looking SO BAD for the current administration, what can he say?

He will never be able to achieve escape velocity from the black hole of lies, death, and manipulation Cheney & Co. have created. You cannot change the laws of physics--Bush is at warp 11 and about to blow.

One thing I will do is hold up a mirror every time Bush starts attacking Kerry, and visualize the attack turning back on him, leaving Kerry untouched. Don't dish it out if you can't take it, George.

16:42 / 08.10.04

Bush's main goal will be to recover from the first debate. That's what his handlers are working on. He wants to appear less sputtering, less general in his answers, more assured. That's what we've got to counter.

The mirror idea is fantastic.

16:52 / 08.10.04

I certainly haven't lost interest.

As in the first debate, I'll be looking to encourage and capitalise on the pauses and gaps and stammers. I'll be invoking chaos & confusion. 1) This makes him look more bumbling and highlights Kerry's statesman-like qualities and, 2) these moments of confusion leave him open to magickal attack which, for me, will be in the form of lovebombs and blasts of compassion. I want to mess up his head so I can open his heart. I want to find the confused and frustrated little boy inside and remind him of the carefree days of his childhood.

I'll also be including Fox News in my working to try and influence their spin doctors who will surely say how great W did after the debate, regardless of his actual performance.

02:15 / 10.10.04

Hey, have you guys seen this? This could be the fucking bomb!

http://www.barbelith.com/topic/19156

Maybe you people have helped to nudge this into existence, who knows? Make sure you listen to that clip, and also there's something in one of the replies to one of those links where you can actually hear a voice delay, and then Bush says whatever the voice says first. Don't know if it's fake or not, but if it's real it'll make Watergate look like a fucking picnic.

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