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Combat Magick & The US Presidential Debates

  
  

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Boy in a Suitcase
15:29 / 28.09.04
I am beginning a round of magick to help Kerry get the upper hand in the Thursday debates. Why not? We only have the free world to lose. And shut yer yapping about Kerry being no different; anybody remember where that kind of thinking ended up in 2000?

The options for tactics are unlimited but I recommend the Jihad of Chaos (heh) or some modification thereof. Operation to begin now and go into full swing during the full duration of the debate.

Who's in?
 
 
charrellz
16:52 / 28.09.04
A great plan, I'm starting work on this now.
 
 
LVX23
17:02 / 28.09.04
I'm down. This is exactly the type of proactive political magickprop I'd like to see more of. Disrupt the aetherwaves and hijack the psychosphere. Radio Kaos, baby! Straight into Bush's skull!
 
 
Ganesh
19:19 / 28.09.04
Just remember to vote, too.
 
 
LVX23
19:54 / 28.09.04
Duh.

Let's just make one thing perfectly clear: Political magick is a supplement to physical forms of activism. In no way should people think that they can just sit at home and enchant and that's all it takes.

Vote. Use your voice in as many wasy as possible. Pick up trash. Say "hi" to strangers. Attend rallies. Try not to give too much money to greedy corporations. Watch where you get your foods from. Etc etc etc.

In short, don't just think that one simple action is going to change things. The only thing that will really change the world is changing your own behaviors.
 
 
Boy in a Suitcase
22:59 / 28.09.04
In the meantime, though, let's help this debate swing fully to Kerry's favor--this could really help swing the polls.
 
 
Tamayyurt
02:25 / 29.09.04
And lets not forget this thread as it has a sigil designed by Chad for this very purpose.
 
 
Tamayyurt
02:33 / 29.09.04
And if you can't be arsed to wade though the other thread it culminates with this.



Chad- The overall motif is taken directly from the Presidential Seal, with the eagle and everything. In one hand, the eagle carries olive branch for peace, and in the other it's got arrows for war.

I made olive branches in both claws to double the peace effort and eliminate the notion of continued "war". The polygon shape in the middle is the HEINZ ketchup label, and the word POTUS is simply P-resident O-f T-he U-nited S-tates. Then I put a cross underneath the ketchup label to exemplify the balanced mind, with a Muslim Crecent at the Yesod position of the Cross(Svadisthana Chakra), and a six-pointed star at the Tiferet position (Anahata Chakra). At each arm, I put a "mystic animal" of the liberal Democratic donkey and the Bull Market for added good stuff for the economy.

Stars are fun.
 
 
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02:42 / 29.09.04
Considering Bush's track record in regards to the act of him speaking intelligently, I don't really think he needs any help to mess up.
 
 
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02:45 / 29.09.04
Seriously, why just mess one of them up? I'd rather see both of these losers get ridiculed. Make people demand better options then Bush/Coke & Kerry/Pepsi. I'm sorry, I really don't see much of a difference. A politician is a politician.
 
 
Boy in a Suitcase
02:54 / 29.09.04
DUDE. Like, ever listened to Dark Side of the Moon... ON ACID?

Quiet with your yappings (not just you but all the dead=heads who've been chiming in on this bongthink--to restate, were you paying attention in 2000?) Nobody thinks Kerry's the goddamn sex-ond coming. These are PRECARIOUS TIMES and need PRACTICAL magic.

Or, if you need it phrased Qabalistically, study ATU I in light of E. E. Rehmus' commentary on the "true meanings of the tarot trumps" in "The Magician's Dictionary."
 
 
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03:53 / 29.09.04
Frankly, Bush is mostly just a puppet for the real powers that be. They're the ones you should be going after... he's just a figurehead.

What you seem to fail to grasp is that it's not the politics of the person that's in power that's important, it's the nature of the people that he/she represents. And to be quite blunt, America is a very conservative country. The majority of the people are religious, against gay marriage, and all that. The leader is just a representation of the people (hell, just look at the 80's). In the 90's, when the country was more liberal, we had a more liberal president (well, in theory, anyway). Now, any sane person could see, from Bush's 4 years in office, that the man isn't fit to run a country, much less a car. yet they still appear to favor him. Which means the American public is either really stupid or really deluded... or that Kerry is so repugnant he's driving people away in droves. The democrats should have picked a younger candidate instead of digging up some old fossil who seems incapable of coming to a single decision on anything, and who seems pretty conservative as it is. I don't believe in picking the lesser of two evils, people have been doing that for years and look where it's got us. We have to strive for something better then what we're being offered here. But hey, it's a free country, "Do what thou will".

They're both hunters too. I find that distasteful.

And "Dark Side of the Moon" is overrated.
 
 
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03:56 / 29.09.04
As for voting, mostly it's all computerized and thus susceptible to tampering... For all we know the next president has been chosen already anyway, as paranoid and cynical as that sounds. This doesn't mean I won't be voting, but I feel like a hypocrite taking part in a system I don't even believe in (demoncracy). Compassionate Socialism (non-Stalin grade) is where it's at.
 
 
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04:51 / 29.09.04
Ack! One more thing, sorry for the triple post. I apologize if I appear contrary, I just find politics extremely annoying. And I think that negative magick often ends up with negative results. There's still a chance I'd vote for Kerry, if i see some type of change in him. The problem we have here is you have like all these priests in the South telling their flock to vote Bush so gay marriages & civil unions will be outlawed. But then you have the Democratic presidential candidate not coming out and saying he supports gay marriage, so he alienates that segment and whatnot. What Kerry needs to do is stop looking like a wimp, he needs to come out and say that he supports gay marriage and the right to choose and stem cell research and all that. And he needs to say it boldly, to get the support of the people he needs (left-wingers, feminists, artists, punks, gay rights activists, whatever).

Maybe instead of all this negative magick (and let's face it, the Republicans emanate negativity) we should try positive magick aimed in Kerry's direction, to booster him up. I think that would have a more positive result. Better karma too. It seems when it comes to political magick everyone is anti-this, anti-that (and these days I'm against antis, especially when the word precedes gay marriage and abortion). So maybe we should try pro magick instead, to give Kerry the power he needs... Bring someone up rather then bringing someone else down. Evil will always destroy itself.
 
 
Chiropteran
12:18 / 29.09.04
The Fab Mr. M. has a point, I think, about the negative/anti-Bush slant with a lot of the political magick. As has been discussed before, Bush likely has a lot of protection - hypothetical Black Ops Mages and National Egregores aside, he has many thousands of Christians (Fundamental or not) praying for him (and against his enemies!) constantly. Good, hard, strong, aggressive prayer groups that know every bit as much about "gnosis" as any ten Chaos magickers.

I'm not saying that some well-crafted "combat magick" wouldn't be able to make a difference, but we'd be rowing upstream - and we'd better look to our own defense when the counter-smiting starts (I've heard some of those "prayers" against "those who work against Our Leader" and they are full-on curses). If you're going to do it, do it - but have the Hyssop and olive oil on hand.

So, rather than (OR IN ADDITION TO - I don't want to totally divert the original intention of the thread...) attacking Bush, we might want to consider whatever boostings and blessings we can muster for Kerry. In addition, what about protection for Kerry, since there are so many Bushies hurling Christian hate-magic at him? And, speaking in practical magickal terms, it seems in my experience and research to be easier to bless someone at a distance than to curse them at a distance - in the absence of things like hair or personal items belonging to the target. YMMV, of course.

I'll likely be burning white blessing candles treated with deerstongue and High John the Conqueror oil before and during the debates, and praying. (And yes, I'm registered to vote -- I'm stepping out on my long-held anarchist ideals for this one, because I think it's that important.)

Meanwhile, for more discussion on "Why is Bush so much worse than Kerry," etc., there are a couple active threads in the Switchboard about the election. This thread seems to be pretty much for those who've already made up their minds and want to do something about it.

Good Hunting!

~L

p.s. Bush and Kerry ride Superman: Ride of Steel, and Bush Loses his lunch, as well as the debates.
 
 
penitentvandal
15:59 / 29.09.04
I'll jump in on the 'cursing Bush' side of the coin, if'n ya don't mind. It's not that I'm not in favour of boosting Kerry as well, it's just that, well, I'm better at the black stuff.

Besides which, the Shrub and I have unfinished business since my last attempt at putting the whammy on him and his election chances (back in summer 2003) fucked up...
 
 
LVX23
15:59 / 29.09.04
Combat magick isn't necessarily negative. I like (and employ) the idea of showing Bush the error of his ways and filling him with compassion. The man's already on the verge of a nervous breakdown. Maybe we could nudge him a bit to a full realization on live TV.

And one note on Amerikka... The populace has been dumbed down and trained to feed from corporate media. We are hypnotized by television... under the spell of media magicians. And our educational system has been so eroded that many don't have the abilities of critical analysis, and those that do are seduced by material gain.
 
 
gale
16:01 / 29.09.04
Negativity is bad! The POTUS sigil contains positive imagery and was carefully thought out along those lines before it was made. It is what I'm working with.

It may be true that Bush isn't the problem, it's his evil cabal. But if he goes, so do they.

The big concern I have toward any debate-centered working is that it is not really good to have Bush look even more unbelievably stupid than usual. I remember the last election, and I know how Al Gore made Bush look like an idiot during the debates. The upshot was that many US citizens (those who perhaps do not spend an awful lot of time thinking) felt SORRY for Bush! Look at what that bad Mr. know-it-all Al Gore did--he made poor George W. look foolish.

In the end, that hurt Gore. I think Kerry will be okay during the debates and not make the same mistakes. All he has to do is keep asking "But where ARE those weapons of mass destruction? Where ARE those two million new jobs you promised? Where ARE all those terrorists? Where the heck IS Osama Bin Laden? Isn't he dead?" etc. etc.
 
 
Chiropteran
16:42 / 29.09.04
velvetvandal: despite my practical position, I'm still glad to hear you say that. More power to you! Just be sure you look to your own defense as well, that's all I'm sayin'.

LVX23: The attempt to fill Bush with compassion is a good example of being non-negative, but it is still done (???) with the intention of him leaving office, yes? So while your methods are certainly more humane than trying to humiliate him, you would still be classified (for defensive and counterstrike purposes) as "working against the 'President.'" Go to it, but be careful.

And gale, I'm sure Kerry's advisors and analysts have reviewed the 2000 debates and reached a similar conclusion - Kerry needs to make sure that Bush looks dishonest, unreliable, incompetent, and warmongering - without ridiculing or belittling him. And all while asserting his own positions in a way that will appeal to the "typical American" and deflecting Bush's attacks. That's where his rhetorical skills will be put to the test, and that's where every blessing counts.

Good luck, everybody.

~L

p.s. Bush and Kerry are playing stickball in a vacant lot, and Bush Loses the ball over a fence.
 
 
LVX23
17:30 / 29.09.04
One possible angle is to think along the lines of viral magick. Establish a magickal link with your mark, then infect them with your spell. Imagine them as a carrier that will radiate your spell out to those they interact with. From the compassion angle, imagine if everyone Bush comes into contact with is similarly infected by your love spell, like little repeaters they amplify the effect of the original enchantment.

And I really like the idea of Bush breaking out of his crafted shell and facing his demons in front of a live audience.

BTW, I performed a rite of enchantment last night under the full moon. It was part of a larger, focused anticorp rite but I made a couple jabs at W along the way. They serve the same masters, after all.

Oh, and rites that invoke chaos (like the Chaos Vortex) are arguably neither positive nor negative. You're really just calling for sudden, unexpected change to occur. From change, good and bad are equally possible.
 
 
Tamayyurt
18:37 / 29.09.04
I just got tickets for the first debate here in Miami! I can now do some mojo in person!
 
 
nidu713
18:48 / 29.09.04
I'm intrigued by this group experiment, so let's stick to the original idea of this thread and not get distracted by reasons why it may not work... cuz we don't gots time for that. Sheesh - talk about killing the horse before the race.

We're all here talking the talk -- time to get down to application!
 
 
Boy in a Suitcase
22:32 / 29.09.04
Syph--I understand everything you're saying. It's just TOTALLY inapplicable to what we're talking about. If you want to go off and curse all the bad stuff in the world, go to it and see how far it gets you in practical terms. In the meantime, let's stop yattering with utterly useless political pontification and attempt to affect one thing–a debate. Have you ever actually done sorcery? Do you know how it works?

And I totally agree with what you guys are saying--let's do positive magick for Kerry all the way. At least I will (and was yesterday), it makes better sense. If you wanna go another route, more power too ya, but whatever we're doing let's stop talking and do it now cause there's not too much time left.
 
 
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02:48 / 30.09.04
Well, I wish the best of luck to ya... I'll be at work so I'll miss the debates though I'll definetly read up about them to see if anything happens. I myself am planning something of my own, as I dislike the idea of combat magick, there being too much combat in this world as it is (not that I see combat magick as black per se... "All magic is colorful"). I don't really do sorcery, not really my cup of tea. Not that I have a problem against it. If it works for you, go for it.

Anyway, I'll second the warnings above to be careful... I only say this because I used to correspond with a magician who told me he was waging astral warfare against president Bush and I haven't heard from him in awhile now. Then again his sanity was a big question mark so what really happened to him probably isn't that sinister as a paranoid would have you believe.
 
 
LVX23
04:57 / 30.09.04
Fab Mr. M,

Don't get too hung up on the words "combat magick".

Think "LoveWar". Think "hand grenades of fuzzy compassion".
 
 
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13:50 / 30.09.04
Forgive me for getting hung up on the word "combat". One tends to do so, however, when it's the thread title. And generally I don't associate fuzzy feelings of love with the word "Jihad".
 
 
grant
15:05 / 30.09.04
Remember it's not just the debate, it's the post-debate.

I mean, the debate (as deciding factor) isn't just who makes the most points in the room (the micro-debate), but who puts the best spin on it over the next couple weeks (the macro debate -- the debate we remember).

So whammy the room, but be ready to whammy back the whammy-backs.
 
 
Chiropteran
17:55 / 30.09.04
Good point, grant. Very good point.

~L
 
 
Boy in a Suitcase
17:57 / 30.09.04
Post-debate: IMPORTANT INFO


>>>


After the Debate:

Below is a listof all the sites where people can vote
on who won the debate.  Please forwardthem far and
wide.  The Republicanswill doubtlessly be organizing
volumes of people to vote, so this is critical:

Tonight, don't let George Bush's henchmen steal
another victory. We need youronline help immediately
after the debate, so save this email, print it out,
andhave it ready with you as you watch the first
Presidential debate tonight.

We all know what happened in 2000. Al Gore won the
first debate on the issues,but Republicans stole the
post-debate spin. We not going to let that
happenagain, and you will play a big role. Immediately
after the debate, we need you to do three things. Vote
inonline polls. Write a letter to the editor, and call
into talk radio programs.Your 10 minutes of activism
in the minutes following the debate can make
thedifference.

Vote in online polls. National and local news
organizations will all beconducting online polls
during and after the debate asking for
readersopinions. Look for online polls at these
national news websites, and make sureto vote in every
one of them:  ABCNews: http://www.abcnews.com/ CBS
News: http://www.cbsnews.com/ CNN: http://www.cnn.com/
MSNBC: http://www.msnbc.com/ Fox News:
http://www.foxnews.com/ USA Today:
http://www.usatoday.com/
And be sure to check the websites of your local
newspapers and TV stations foronline polls, and vote
in them. It is crucial that you do this in the
minutesimmediately following the debate.

Write a letter to the editor of your local paper.
Immediately after the debate,go online and write a
letter to the editor of your local paper. If you
feelJohn Kerry commanded the debate and had a clear
plan for fixing the mess in Iraq, write the letter. If
you feel GeorgeBush dodged tough questions on Iraq and
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just a fewclicks, you can write your letter at our
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Call in to radio and TV talk shows. Do you listen to
national or local call inshows on the radio? How about
on TV? Call them and let them know what youthought of
John Kerry's plan to keep America secure and George
Bush's continuingrefusal to admit the truth about his
record.
Find shows in your area on our Speak Out website:
http://www.democrats.org/media/find.html.

Your actions immediately after the debate tonight can
make the difference tohelp John Kerry win on November
2. Make your voice heard beginning tonight!

=====
the humble abbott arthur purvis set his hand hereto
 
 
LVX23
18:17 / 30.09.04
And feel free to direct enchantments at any of the major media outlets.
 
 
grant
18:23 / 30.09.04
Oddly (possibly Karl Rove's idea), the post-debate seems to have already started, even though the first debate hasn't happened yet.

Check it out.
 
 
Information in formation
19:39 / 30.09.04
for what it's worth, instead of simply declaring a magickal war on Bush. Why don't you take it a step further and try and provoke a widescale re examination of the entire structure of US democracy. Because while things might return to a shade of normalcy in America if Kerry winns, normalcy in US politics is still terrible. The system has long since failed and in a time where even the "free press" is scared to criticize the government and peacefull activists are considdered terrorists perhaps Magick has a valuable place in changing the system?

I mean it's one thing to use confrontational magick to cost someone an election, but I think it might be more constructive in the long run to do the same thing to re structure the entire political apparatus.

that's my two cents on the issue
 
 
Boy in a Suitcase
20:05 / 30.09.04
One thing at a time... one thing at a time.
 
 
FinderWolf
20:34 / 30.09.04
>> I just got tickets for the first debate here in Miami! I can now do some mojo in person!

Very cool, Imp -- was it easy to get tickets?
 
 
FinderWolf
20:36 / 30.09.04
>> Meanwhile, for more discussion on "Why is Bush so much worse than Kerry," etc., there are a couple active threads in the Switchboard about the election. This thread seems to be pretty much for those who've already made up their minds and want to do something about it.

Well said.

In just a few hours....the world will change, just a little bit, for the better.
 
  

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