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I need to be more gay

 
  

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the cat's iao
00:39 / 02.09.04
Aw shit, Sypha. It's unfortunate that some people are being unpleasent about this. I mean, if it is such a bother to read, then why would they bother to read? *shrug* People--they make little fuckin' sense most of the time.

Anyway, I'd like to comment on two things. At least, these are the two things that I found to stand out the most with regards to commenting on:

Part of the problem is that people think they know everything about you just based on the content of what you post...

Yes, I could not agree more! Alas, that is the way it seems to work with this online message stuff. Like any one can really know an other through mere text alone. Too much missing and too much is filled in by the reader's own self to come to any sort of understanding of an other. Of course, people will continue to think what they want, and hey, let them: if they want to remain fixed and rigid in their views, well then, that's their problem, eh?

As a magician it would be more of a challenge to get a crush on an extrovert...

I would say that as a "magician" it would be more of a challenge to shift your mental gears and your consciousness towards the world where things get going for you with this fella'. I mean, at least will the "first date" into existence. That seems like a more appropriate challenge for you in this situation.

Good luck.
 
 
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00:58 / 02.09.04
cat's iao, in regards to magic it seems I'm good at getting broken machines to work again: CD players, car radios, computers, and whatnot. It's gotten to the point now where whenever someone around the house has a broken electronic object they ask me to do the magic thingy and fix it for them. I may not be able, at present, to use magic to cause dramatic change in a social context, but I have saved a lot of money on replacing appliances! It's weird but it seems I can usually get them to work when I don't care about the end result too much... I just know it will work, have complete confidence it will work, and somehow it (usually) does.

As for forums, well, some people come off better with less of an audience. That's what a close on-line friend said about me once at a time where many people had the out-and-out wrong opinion about me. He and I had, over the years had lots of private heart to heart conversations so he had an access to me that noone elese had and this gave him a greater perspective. Granted, part of the problem is the way I choose to prevent myself, but the other part of the problem is that a good part of the forum's population who, being older and wiser, have already broken most of their conditioning and apparently have forgotten how difficult change can be, especially when one is going up against 10+ years of conditioned behaviour. People seem to think that everything happens at once, but I think change is a slow, gradual process that you barely ever notice until you one day you wake up and notice how different everything's become. Besides, everyone is always changing anyway, they just don't realize it. I got into magick with the preconception that it would change everything instantly but over the years I've realized it's not that simple, that there is no magical cure-all. Just like how I think there is no sure-fire self-help process, one must ultimetly discover it on it's own.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
07:17 / 02.09.04
Granted, part of the problem is the way I choose to prevent myself

Best. Freudian. Slip. Ever.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:08 / 02.09.04
Lisa! Kudrow! Yes!
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:15 / 02.09.04
I can't speak for anyone else but if a co-worker came up to me, someone who I barely knew and only exchanged pleasentries with, and asked me to go out for coffee, I'd be suspicous of their intent.

Dude. It depends on whether he's single and finds you attractive. If I was single and was asked out by a co-worker I found attractive, I'd be over the moon. If I didn't find the co-worker attractive, I'd be a little less keen. In neither case would I find it "suspicious", though.

This thread is a treasure trove.
 
 
illmatic
09:01 / 02.09.04
Still, if you thought that's what the situation called for, more power to you

Well, not really, ‘cos I don’t see it as a “situation” as such. I’m not really engaged in trying to sort out your problems, I’m just responding naturally without going out of my way to be nice. I’m not your bloody therapist, mate, and as such, I’m not particularly interested in your Reichian self diagnosis (dodgy ground at the best of times) or how I should react to your reaction to my reaction to your reaction etc – I mean, really, I couldn’t give a fucking monkeys bollock. Perhaps you should stop seeing it as a “situation” and yourself as some kind of “wounded” or “damaged” individual – what purpose do these beliefs and self identifications hold, I wonder. That’s a rhetorical question btw, I’m not interested in reading another painfully acute (but kind of touching) self-dissection from our tragic hero.

If I really am as annoying as you say I am I simply won't post at the Temple or Conversation at all, until I "go through a change", "become illuminated", whatever

I may moderate the Temple but I don’t own it. The more contributions we get the better, as far as I’m concerned, but I reserve the right to comment as I see fit. Like a lot of others here, I think you’re a good writer and you have a nice style, and you’ve got a bit of insight into yourself. But you seem much more interested in using this to write about your problems online rather than trying to deal with them. Note I said “a bit” not “a lot” reading through this thread just before posting it struck me how narcissistic and self obsessed you come over. I think Ganesh has said it best so far - “obsessively wallowing”. Who said anything about becoming illuminated? I’d just like you to change the fucking record.

believe it or not I actually have adapted some stuff to my own life.

I hope you have, and I hope it encourages to do more. I sincerely hope it encourages you to push out of your comfort zone and do something you find challenging and a bit difficult. Like asking someone out for fucking coffee. Try sending him a copy of this thread. That’ll generate a few laughs.

BTW, I couldn’t agree more with on the inadequacy of the internet to assess what a person is like, I also agree with you on the slow process of self change but y’know, a big part of this is because of all the crappy excuses or rubbish behaviour we indulge in. If you can’t see any of this in your comments above, then God help you.
 
 
Cat Chant
11:06 / 02.09.04
Part of the problem is that people think they know everything about you just based on the content of what you post...

No, they don't. They respond to what they see in front of them, which is not what your co-worker will see, which in turn is not what your friends see, which in turn is not what your mother sees, which in turn...

Do you see where I'm going? What is the point of posting anything if you then say "Aha! But your response to what I posted is flawed because you didn't respond to any of the things I didn't post! Someone who knew me in a different context would say a different thing!"? Well, yeah, they would. But we don't. So we don't. If you don't want comments, publish this stuff in a form/forum that doesn't allow comments/responses.
 
 
Loomis
11:19 / 02.09.04
I just still can't work out why this thread's called 'I need to be more gay'.

Well it's good blanket advice don't you think? Covers everything. In fact it would make a great advice column:

Q: I'm having trouble letting prospective homosexual partners know that I am into them.
A: You need to be more gay.

Q: I'm having trouble with my marriage.
A: You need to be more gay.

Q: I'm having trouble tying my shoes.
A: You need to be more gay.

Works every time!
 
 
Char Aina
17:18 / 02.09.04
man, has anyone else noticed the size of sypha's posts?
i too think you write with a good style, but i do wonder if you need an editor.

re:the boy, maybe you could use your machine majjix to break the till he is always chained to, and then offer your services as a handyman?

and why would you be suspicious of someone asking you out for coffee?



did you even notice that you said
I can't speak for anyone else but if a co-worker came up to me, someone who I barely knew and only exchanged pleasentries with, and asked me to go out for coffee, I'd be suspicous of their intent.
after saying
Furthermore, I don't see why it's always me that's thrust into the position of having to ask people out... Frankly it would be nice if someone else had to shoulder the responsibilty for once, but this forces me to consider the notion that no one has ever found me attractive in such a manner, and I don't like wallowing in negative mind-sets.



do you se what i mean?
if a hypothetical person makes flirty eye contact with you, do you look away, suspicious of their intent?
if someone asks you if you wanna dance, are you suspicuious of their intent? if a friend asked you to meet their hott room mate for a drink, would you be suspicious of their intent? if i was to say i was going to come over to your house and suck your cock for an hour, would you be suspicious of my intent?

what exactly would a guy or gal have to do to avoid being a suspect character in your eyes? not want sex? fulfil your own prophecy that they find you repellent? drug you so you had an excuse for falling into their bed/arms/life?

tell us how it would work, not why it doesnt.
why it doesnt is obvious, boring, and makes us all wince at the memories of our own pathetic side.
 
 
eddie thirteen
18:26 / 02.09.04
As far as the "suspicion" goes, it seems to me the real fear is not that Sypha's intent would be misconstrued, but that it would be understood just fine. (Unless, of course, Sypha's intent is to lure his co-worker into a Dennis Cooper-stylee Dahmer-esque scenario, in which case, yes, Sypha would be wiser to pick someone other than a coworker whose disappearance could be traced back to himself. This doesn't sound like anything all that sinister to me, though.) If there were any realistic fear that the coworker were, say, a straight homophobe, then I can see why he (Sypha) would fear that the guy would go, "*Gasp!* I thought we were friends...we made jokes about poop...but all this time, he's wanted to filthily GAY SEX me!!!" with all the stereotypical bashing ensuing. (I personally have never even heard of such a tragic scenario, outside of the popular media...whenever I am hit on by guys, I just kinda politely decline. Whatever, I'll take being attractive to ANYbody. Why be rude?) Anyway, I guess if Sypha doesn't want his other coworkers to know about his proclivities -- and there's really not a way to get this guy alone -- then yes, I can see some nervousness beyond the simple fear of rejection. But if it's just a matter of said fear, well...I mean, how are you ever gonna know if you don't ask? It's really not the end of the world to get shot down.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
20:43 / 02.09.04
I reckon you should just slap your cock between the suspiciously adhesive pages of your copy of 'Cults of the Shadow' and present it to him triumphantly, perhaps whilst whispering the sweet lyrics of Current 93 in his ear. If he's truly your ideal boyfriend, then that would probably work a treat.
 
 
Ganesh
20:47 / 02.09.04
You disappoint me, Gypsy L. Where's the monkey in that?
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
21:19 / 02.09.04
The Syph ain't earned the monkey.
 
 
Ganesh
21:34 / 02.09.04
He must suffer and cry for slightly longer?
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
21:56 / 02.09.04
There’s an extremely rare Smith’s bootleg where all the lyrics inexplicably contain references to monkeys. It was when Morrissey was in his little talked about but creatively prolific “monkey” period. Rumour has it that the bands break up and resultant animosity was due in part to the other band members futile attempts to rein in the singers growing obsession with our simian cousins, their woes, yearnings, trials, tribulations and small triumphs.

You just haven’t earned it yet, monkey
Heaven knows I’m Chimpanzee now
Gorilla friend in a Coma
Frankly, Mister Monkey
This Charming Chimp
Simian, it was really nothing
Sweet and tender orang-utan

It was some of his best work, in my honest opinion, and great to see him back on form with hits such as ‘Gorillas Blood, Baboons Heart’ and ‘The world is full of crashing bonobos’.
 
 
Ganesh
22:05 / 02.09.04
And let's not forget 'The First Of The Orang To Die'.
 
 
HCE
22:07 / 02.09.04
You can't ask him out, you work together. That's a bad idea. It won't work out and then it'll be sickeningly awkward. Why can't you just get laid by people you know from the internet like the rest of us do?
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
22:09 / 02.09.04
Or 'I have forgiven Lemurs'
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
22:11 / 02.09.04
You can't ask him out, you work together. That's a bad idea. It won't work out and then it'll be sickeningly awkward. Why can't you just get laid by people you know from the internet like the rest of us do?

What the fuck has that got to do with monkeys?
 
 
Ganesh
22:17 / 02.09.04
'Baboon River'?
 
 
Olulabelle
22:18 / 02.09.04
Fuck.

*Slinks away with tail between legs.*
 
 
Ganesh
22:19 / 02.09.04
'Macaque the Ripper'?

(Oh dear. And so it goes...)
 
 
Triplets
22:21 / 02.09.04
Hi Mods,
Can we set a time-limit, like, three days on this thread and if Syphilis doesn't ask his stalkee out before then you delete it?

It would provide some kind of motivation, shirley?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
22:36 / 02.09.04
Still mandrIll?

Aha! Is that my coat you're proffering, doorman?
 
 
Ganesh
22:45 / 02.09.04
'How Baboon Is Now?'
 
 
flufeemunk effluvia
22:55 / 02.09.04
Hi Mods,
Can we set a time-limit, like, three days on this thread and if Syphilis doesn't ask his stalkee out before then you delete it?

It would provide some kind of motivation, shirley?


Oh, hed just start another thread thats like "I need to be gayer than barbelith underpants and their confounded simians", in which he'd whine about us making fun of his bleak tears with cute furry monkeys.
 
 
Ganesh
23:02 / 02.09.04
'Sister, I'm A Marmoset'

It is one of the delights of Barbelith, as I see it, that the most miserably narcissistic of threads can always be rotted into good, organic Morrissey punnage. I love you, Barbeloids!
 
 
Ganesh
01:25 / 03.09.04
'The Never Played Chimpanzees'. Poignantly a mere whateverpercent from human, DNA-wise. Rilly.
 
 
the cat's iao
03:54 / 03.09.04
I may not be able, at present, to use magic to cause dramatic change in a social context…

But here it seems you are thinking too big. You might only need to make a few small changes. For instance, you could attempt to arrange a small amount of time when you can be alone with this person—like on a break or in the washroom or whatever. A “chance” meeting. Picture how it will happen, and then picture it happening. Now visualize the encounter and how you want to act during the encounter. If you must obsess, then obsess on the details that aid the outcome and not those that prevent it. Go over this in your head. Imagine yourself having enough confidence and impetus to ask him if he’d like to hook up outside of work. You only need but a moment to do this—it isn’t something that is a sweeping change. It’s only a quick change and only for an instant. Picture it until your are comfortable with it and there are no nagging doubts. Now go do it. There, you’ve got the first step accomplished.

I think change is a slow, gradual process…everyone is always changing anyway…

Yes, I’d agree: “change is the only constant,” some say. However, change isn’t only slow. It can be fast and “catastrophic” (not necessarily in a bad way). Personal change might take time, but it doesn’t have to. We can make the choice to turn aspects of our identity upside down, if it’s what we desire. The idea is we have to truly desire it, and not merely fantasize about it. True desire can spark a vast (re)source of will, and with will, change can be instantaneous, or at least faster than a snail’s pace. Maybe we can’t dissolve a load of conditioning overnight, but we can certainly remove small bits of it in short order--if it’s what you really desire.
 
 
Ganesh
04:01 / 03.09.04
'The National Front Bonobo'?
 
 
Alex's Grandma
04:34 / 03.09.04
Never Had Bonobo Ever ?
 
 
at the scarwash
05:18 / 03.09.04
Why ponder thumbs' opposability
when the hair runs smooth on the silverback's feet?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
07:14 / 03.09.04
Death of a big gorilla,
Oh, it happens a lot round here...
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
07:32 / 03.09.04
What is it about Morrissey that reminds you of a monkey?
 
 
Bomb The Past
07:50 / 03.09.04
'The Bonobo With A Thorn In His Side'

'Some Gorillas Are Bigger Than Others'

'A Rush And A Push And The Bananas Are Ours'
 
  

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