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I need to be more gay

 
  

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03:24 / 01.09.04
It's been nearly half-a-year since I ranted about my romantic (mis)adventures on here, so I apologize for the lenght, but here goes...

Some here are aware of the last time I feel head over heels in love with someone, and the resulting bookstore foreplay that led up to what could very well be the most spectacular anticlimax in the history of our species. When Miss Judi had exited from my life I became despondant... Staying up at night looking up at the accursed ceiling and saying "WHY WHY WHY?!?!" Or, if I was feeling all gloomy, walking solemly through the blasted heaths pondering the nature of solitary soul-searching. Key thoughts: Will I ever love again? Will I ever meet my one true love? Does such a thing exist? Will I EVER meet that special someone. (Of course, lets be honest... Moody gothic post-college artist types are a dime a dozen in these trying times).

And yet, love once again entered my life. The scene? Once again, at a bookstore (who needs to go to clubs or bars anyway?), just this time, it was my new job... My place of enployment, as it were. My first day at the job, still reeling from my perceived failure with Judi, I met him... And Judi kinda became a distant memory after that. His name is Kevin, and he is my age, with short reddish hair and a pierced septum (I've always liked pierced septums). He's a tad heavier then me, but that's not saying anything... Almost everyone I encounter is heavier then me, giving my appearance (think a skeleton in the first stage of pregnancy). He usually wears a pentagram necklace. I shook his hand and he said "Hi" to me and he had the softest, most beautiful voice. One of those annoying instant crushes developed. I hate it when that happens.

About a week into my new job I was in the breakroom one night eating my rice-a-roni when he came in and sat near me and started eating his meal. Displaying what can only be called rash boldness (for myself at least) I actually struck up a conversation with him. We talked about college... I told him I graduated in the summer of 03, he told me he was almost on the verge of graduating himself (from some sort of physical therapy school). He told me he wanted to do massages and become an alternative healer. I asked him what types of books he liked and he told me "New Age stuff, horror books, weird stuff in general". To which I thought h'mmmm.... I named him afew of my favorite writers (I won't name drop, you can probably guess by this time junction) and I told him I was interested in the occult. He told me that he too was a magician and that he ran the store's new age bookclub with another employee, a female friend of his (more on her in a bit). We talked about magic for a bit and ended up talking about Ol' Aleister himself when his break ended and he had to get back to work. By this point I began to think "Perhaps this is a person I finally have a chance with? Ahhh, but what way does he spring?" I was worried that my brief vacation in the land of the Straights had terminally damaged my "device for detecting and locating a fellow homosexual" but something about him screamed "GAY!!!!!" to me. I just needed proof.

Of course I soon came upon some clues that confirmed that he was, indeed, a poof. Exhibit A: The "Equal" sign on his bumper sticker. Exhibit B: I saw him looking through the "Gay/lesbian" section quite a bit. Exhibit C: One month for his staff pick he recommended a book on gay marriage. And finally, Exhibit D: One day I was by the cash registers up front (where he usually works: I myself work at the opposite end of the store in the children's section so I don't see him as often as I like) and he was talking to a female cashier about how he thought that one day he's probably end up living a solitary life as a shamanic healer up in the mountains some day because he doubted he'd ever meet anyone or get married anytime soon. The coworker pointed out to him that he could legally get married now but he said he thought the Constitution would one day shoot that down. She also told him that he probably just hadn't found the right person yet. From all this I deduced that he was most probably gay and, if not, bisexual at the very least (impressive deduction on my part, eh Watson?) The next question was, what did he think about me?

This area is more problamatic. I mean, he's always nice to me when he sees me, saying hi and asking how I am (and vice-versa) and one night when I was leaving the store after it closed up I glanced over my shoulder and I saw him watching me leave, but maybe he was just curious to see what my car looked like. He's complimented my book taste at times when he's cashed me out... Like the time I got the book "The Name of the Rose" by Umberto Eco or the time I got a huge book on alchemy and mysticism that he told me he had had his eye on for awhile. But we've never really had an intimate conversation like we did that first week months ago, for some reason. I'm not sure if he has any attraction towards me, or maybe he does but he just isn't sure how I swing. I mean, let's be honest... Salteen crackers ooze more sexuality then I do and there's nothing very overtly gay/bi about my behaviour... I'm very asexual it would seem. Like Morrisey. There were obvious things I could have done to clue him in... Recommended a gay themed book of my own, had him cash out such a book for me, but such a ploy seemed too obvious.

Poppy Z. Brite enters our story here. For those who've never read her she used to write very homoerotic bloody horror novels back in the 90's. Since then she's changed her focus and now writes gay-themed New Orleans chef novels. She's one of my favorite writers. This year (April) she released a new book called "Liquor". I did a very long, typically personal review for Amazon and she actually commented on it (and mentioned me by name!) in her blog, which touched me in a weird way. I should say that in this review I made clear, for no real pertinent reason, my preference for men and one of her earlier books, "Drawing Blood", which was very homoerotic.

What, you may very well ask, does this have to do with anything? (Patience, Master Skywalker!) Just sometime last week new staff recs went up at my store, so as usual I looked them over and came upon Kevin's and one of his was Poppy Z. Brite's "Drawing Blood". "Eureka! What Jung would coin a synchronicity!" I exclaimed (to myself, of course). I now had a perfect conversational piece to bring up with Kevin. Talk about Poppy Z. Brite, subtly mention how she mentioned me in her blog, and hope that somehow he'd be curious enough to read my review and see where my inclinations lie (Hell, it's what I would do... then again my train of thought usually seems to come from somewhere beyond the third rock from the sun). I also noticed that the other book he recommended for that month was called "We Need To Talk About Kevin". I wondered if this was a coded message: Take out the word "it" and you get "We need to talk... Kevin". I wondered if he had seen Brite mention my name, read my review, and now he was trying to get my sttention in this way. Sure, it was a thin strand, but keep in mind he would have had to go through all the trouble of ordering all these Brite books... seems like a lot of work just for a staff rec!

I hatched a plan. I knew the best time to talk to him in private was during his one break on saturday night, at 10:45 (he only works part-time that night). I deliberetly witheld from taking my own break till 10:40. In this manner I was in the breakroom when he showed up. I was ready. Here was the conversation:

Kevin: Hey.

Me: Hey.

(He sits down, looks at the wall, flips through a horoscope calendar someone left on the table. I flip through a People magazine and pretend to be interested in it. The air has a curious tense feeling).

Me: So, you're working till 12 tonight? (LAME! Of course he is! I knew that, and he knew I knew that!)

Kevin: Yeah. You're here till 11, right?

Me: Yeah.

(Another few minutes of awkward silence. Then his break ends and he leaves).

ARGGHHHH!!!! Yet again I wimped out! Very disappointing. I don't understand where all this tension came from... Perhaps I just make people tense? But everyone else at teh store makes conversation with me quite easily, so that can't be it. And he seems to be quite chatty with the other employees also. What happened to cause all this anxiety between us that never existed when I first joined? Is he like me? Another isolated, shy, insecure about his looks type (this seems likely I should add). Hell, I even saw him shopping there with his mother once. He probably still lives with his parents, like me.

Later on the evening prior to closing time I was all by my lonesome in the Kids department shelving stuff when I saw kevin walk up to me. My heart leaped! Until he held up a book and asked me "Where's the poop, James?" in a joking manner.

I laughed. The book was called "Where's the Poop", so I told him it went in the Growing Up section.

Where's the poop. Where's the poop. WHERE'S THE POOP?!?! Indeed. Not the conversation I was hoping for, mind. Bleh (one of my friends wondered if this was another coded homosexual slang thing, but I told her I doubt it).

If only I could get to know him better as a friend. I suppose I could join his New Age bookgroup that meets once a month, but... I mean... New Age? Crystals and shit? I don't think my stomach could take it. He probably thinks that I don't like him or that I find him unattractive. If only he knew how much I cared about him, how cute I thought he was, what a fascinating person I think he is.... I need to stop getting attracted to shrinking violet types. Knowing me I'll probably kick myself over this for a few days, prepare for our next conversation that never happens, and repeat the cycle. A big part of the problem is not only do we work in different departments, but I only see him 2 days a week, and only a lot on Wednesday. Amazing, I work five freaking days a week and two of the days he's there is on my days off. Yeesh.

I haven't given up yet though. It just seems like we'd be perfect for each other. Awhile ago I had a friend launch a sigil for me to get the boyfriend of my dreams, and he really does seem like the one. He's different from any gay guy I've ever known. And I like the fact he's a professional massage therapist now, giving my constantly tense, aching body. I can day-dream...

Ack! Angst overload!
 
 
Lilly Nowhere Late
06:07 / 01.09.04
In my completely unprofessional opinion, I would have to say here that you should try writing short stories and so forth, if you haven't already obviously, and publishing them. I liked reading this thread. I don't care much about your dilema, it'll all unroll itself somehow. But I did like reading this. You have good ummm,ummmm, can't think of the right word.
Anyway, just thought I'd let you know I like the style. But I am in no way qualified to say so.
 
 
at the scarwash
06:29 / 01.09.04
Well, I have to agree with Lily about the quality of your prose. You've knocked down and hogtied that horrid, terrifying paralysis that I am eternally suffering as I get batted from unrequited crush to unrequited crush.

But, as for your situation, why don't you just hoist your cobblers and talk to the feller? If you feel so strongly that he suits you, you don't dare lose the opportunity. The old "Hey, _________ is playing/happening/exploding/rotting tonight, do you want to come along?" line usually works to some extent. At the very worst, a firm "No" response will let you know where you stand. From what I've read of your posts, you've got rad taste and are pretty damned smart. Anyone whou'd turn you down cold is obviously not worth your time. So what's to lose?
 
 
Ganesh
09:43 / 01.09.04
I think you should stop worrying about whether he's employing complex "coded homosexual slang" (clue: he isn't) and ask the guy out for a drink. Just something casual - a quick one when you both finish work, maybe - but a chance to break the ice/tension and find out a little more about him. Talk about Poppy Z Brite, ask him about massage, tell him you think you might be gay and need advice. Whatever. Just stop looking and fantasising, and make a move.
 
 
illmatic
10:01 / 01.09.04
Just stop looking and fantasising, and make a move.

Ganesh! Why spoil it by stating the bloody obvious! God, if wasn't for you with your bloody practical advice, the Syph could waste hours and hours of time here in morbid self analysis and anguish! Lots of lovely text based displacment activity, obssessing and picking over every small point - the whole point of these threads is that he doesn't have to leave his room! What if he does! He might be embarassed! He might *shock* get something wrong!

Sorry if this sounds overly sarky, but I doubt you've read the endless Sypha threads in the Temple. This is much a retread of the same thing.
 
 
Loomis
10:04 / 01.09.04
I now had a perfect conversational piece to bring up with Kevin. Talk about Poppy Z. Brite, subtly mention how she mentioned me in her blog

This is such a gift that you have to use it! If you're too shy to ask him out, how could you not at least try this?
 
 
Loomis
10:10 / 01.09.04
You'd better watch where you're spreading that advice, Ill. I may decide to stop obsessing over you in my room and actually make my move. And then this whole thread would be awkward and what good would that do anyone? Far safer to analyze all of your posts for secret codes directed at me.
 
 
illmatic
10:16 / 01.09.04
*giggles, blushes, runs away*
 
 
Loomis
10:23 / 01.09.04
*sigh*

I lose more men that way ...
 
 
illmatic
10:28 / 01.09.04
walks on blasted heath reciting poetry about love, death and Loomis, cries to the wind, stops off at the mall to buy black clothing, Smiths CD (and a big doughnut with icing and hundreds and thousands), goes home, argues with Mum about doughnut and why dinner is in the microwave, enters bedroom, starts thread on Barbelith, doesn't leave room for three weeks
 
 
Loomis
10:37 / 01.09.04
He wants me - I know it!! The signs are clearly designed for me to read. The Smiths - hello! Doughnuts - perlease.

Now if he can just send me another three hundred signals, then I'll ask him out. Maybe. Do you think he likes dancing? I couldn't be that lucky surely.
 
 
Jack Vincennes
10:43 / 01.09.04
I have some excellent advice for you both but the awkwardness in this thread is such that I don't feel I can post it. Consider this a lesson in the inadvisability of discussing your feelings, both of you.

(Also Sypha -Ganesh is correct. I don't think there's anything to add to his post)
 
 
illmatic
10:51 / 01.09.04
*stays in room, orders more donughnts, orders "Crossing The Abyss for Dummies" from Amazon, masturbates over copy of Hustler with phocopied Charles Manson and Hitler heads stuck over the faces, puts Smiths on repeat, starts thread on Barbelith*
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
10:55 / 01.09.04
Not that I was ever any good at that kind of thing myself, but Ganesh has a point.

Also I'd add- don't build it up to yourself so much. It may happen, in which case it's cool. It may not, in which case it's not so cool, but at least you'll know. Either way, you're investing so much in this that if it DOES happen, it could be a bit weird, and if it doesn't, you'll have put yourself in a whole world of pain. Take a step back... it'll probably improve your confidence no end as well, thus enhancing the possibility of a positive outcome.
 
 
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10:58 / 01.09.04
Ganesh, I don't think I'm gay at all. I consider myself bisexual, though it seems I usually lean more in one direction then the other. At the very least I shatter the stereotype that most bisexuals are sluts.

Sarcasm noted Illmatic, though in all fairness I haven't posted such a thread in the Temple in awhile now. Still, it's not fair my own poor blog to absorb all my ranting so occasionaly to take the weight off it's shoulders I have to distribute it around.

As for being overly analytical, I like to obsess over details and analyze things, though it seems I often take it a little too far for my own good. I think part of being a writer is noticing the details, to some extent. The problem with most of my crushes is I tend to cast them into some kind of mythological, grandly cosmic event and thus feel more shattered then I should when they inevitably fail. I read too much Dali.

Another part of the problem is all my crushes seem to be on people who are of a similiar quiet disposition. Psychologically speaking this is probably due to my own anxiety over an excess of verbosity and an attempt at mirroring. As a magician it would be more of a challenge to get a crush on an extrovert, but they say that beggers can't be choosers and in my case I'm usually lucky to take what I can get. The problem with introverts is they have their own psychological problems to work through: Put two and two together and you get two total headcases. Bad alchemy.

Lily, I do consider myself a writer, but I don't usually do short stories... I prefer longer pieces, as the lenght of a typical post of mine indicates.
 
 
Jack Vincennes
11:11 / 01.09.04
The problem with introverts is they have their own psychological problems to work through: Put two and two together and you get two total headcases.

On the other hand, you might get two people who are happy enough being together and not necessarily talking all the time. Which can work as well...
 
 
_Boboss
11:12 / 01.09.04
i consider myself bisexual


balls. problem 1 here, like it always is, is that you ain't anything-sexual.

problem 2 is that you, as ever, have had loads of useful advice. which, as ever, you've decided to take as an excuse to write another charming missive to the good barbelonians where you backtrack and offer excuses for why, yet again, you aren't going to do anything to get yourself out of your beloved 'nobody loves me and i'm too shite to get noticed' rut.

it's fucking rubbish frankly and so, as you keep telling us, are you. piss off and talk to this feller and see what happens. ask him if he wants his cock sucked or something. don't post here again til you've done something and actualy have more than 'i'm shite' to say.

bah! etc.
 
 
Ganesh
11:35 / 01.09.04
Ganesh, I don't think I'm gay at all. I consider myself bisexual, though it seems I usually lean more in one direction then the other.

Whatever. So talk to him about being bisexual, then. Point being: talk. To him.

You may feel you shatter the 'bisexual' stereotype, but you're keeping the 'Barbeloid' stereotype very much alive and well, for me.

Get. Off. The. Internet. And. Talk. To. Him.

The Russians have a saying: he who risks nothing never gets to drink champagne. Do it now. Ask him out for a drink, then come back and tell us about it. Stop self-defining and adapt.
 
 
Ganesh
11:54 / 01.09.04
(Aside: Loomis/Illmatic slash, eh? Split-screen, obviously, called something like ED-LON... EDI-LON? Hey, that's almost... Eidolon! It's a sign! Erm, sort of...)
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
12:54 / 01.09.04
Whatever. So talk to him about being bisexual, then.

Absolutely. The possibilities are endless.

"Hello, would you like some cake?"

"Hello there. Would you like to join me on this fence?"

"Hello there. I haven't made my mind up yet. Would you like to help?"

Dude, really...
 
 
Ganesh
13:02 / 01.09.04
"Hello there. I haven't made my mind up yet. Would you like to help?"

I actually have used this one, in days of yore. Very successfully too, I might add...
 
 
w1rebaby
13:08 / 01.09.04
t-shirt

?
 
 
grant
13:53 / 01.09.04
Repeat this silently to yourself next time you see him:

"Bragging is CUTE!"

Because it's true.

And then tell him Poppy Z. Brite mentioned you in her blog.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
14:05 / 01.09.04
Which will ensure that you are driven to the edge of the village and abandoned there to die.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:18 / 01.09.04
But you may die in a sexily transgressive way.
 
 
Ganesh
14:21 / 01.09.04
Clove cigarettes will almost certainly be involved.
 
 
illmatic
14:33 / 01.09.04
Just ditto to Gambit's post above. Why do you think I'm taking the piss, Sypha? 'Cos we're sick of hearing you play the same bloody tune over and over again on your one string banjo and then pick it apart endlessly. It's made even more aggravating by the fact that you know this and have even started threads about it! You've mentioned several times obsessively reading self-help books but failing to do anything with them. I don't think that you qualify as a magician/occultist until you have adapted something you've read about and used to improve your own life. Y'know, take a shit or get off the pot.
 
 
Ganesh
15:05 / 01.09.04
(Musing: actually, we could go with the fashionable-after-24 thing for a poignant bookshop-centred C4 drama based on Sypha/Kevin. We'd have moody splitscreen shots of both of 'em simultaneously stocking the same shelves, while a suitably jaunty-but-plangent BritGoth ditty played in the background - Fat Bob doing 'Friday I'm In Love', maybe - then going home to their separate living-with-parents black-painted bedrooms and reading 'Catcher In The Rye' and 'The Necronomicon'. That'd play for, um, seven episodes, with absolutely no change whatsoever. It'd be called BOO-BOO.)
 
 
Charlie's Horse
15:21 / 01.09.04


Something that I resonate with from the story - 'I don't want to be obvious' used to be my rallying cry too. And that mantra led me successfully through some of the lonliest periods of my so-called lif. Please note that that is no typo; before you start dating people you ain't 'living,' you're lif-ing. Much less fun. Here's what I've noticed since I got a life: obvious works. Really, really well. You can be obvious (and possibly even get with this guy) or you can be subtle and generate fictional accounts of why that's so much damn better, and the barbeloids around you will fail to present a shoulder to cry upon.


Shit, did I just reiterate what's already been said and said better by others? And will Sypha fail to heed our collective brilliance once again? Find out in the next anticlimactic, hollow episode of - Sypha Nadon: The Man Who Refused Life.
 
 
charrellz
15:33 / 01.09.04
I have to agree that obvious is usually better. The worst thing is he'll say no, which is the same response you might get if you're subtle. If he likes you, he likes you - if he doesn't, he doesn't. Hinting and looking for codes will just take longer and drive you absolutely nuts.

By the way, I too have to mention that I love your writing style. Do you have any works posted online?

Good luck!
 
 
Chiropteran
18:35 / 01.09.04
Sypha: It's too bad you don't live closer. Whenever I have a friend in your situation, I usually back them up against a wall and tell them "If you don't ask him out I WILL!"

So far, I haven't had to.

Which is good.

'Cos some of my friends don't have the best taste in men.

And I'm not gay.

But... here goes.

Sypha Nadon: make a move on him before I do!

If it doesn't work, you can throw things at me.

~L

p.s.: as far as breaking the ice goes, have you considered sharing one of your stories with him? Sort of a "I know we have some shared tastes in authors, and I'm looking for some feedback - care to take a look?" (And please don't try to decode that for sex-code, or I may never post again.) You can talk about it over coffee after work. (And please don't tell me you don't drink coffee - the point is to actually talk to him outside work.)

p.p.s: BTW, did you make Gypsy Lantern's deadline?
 
 
eddie thirteen
18:51 / 01.09.04
Sypha, I'm not even gay and I'm turned on by Poppy Z. Brite mentioning you in her blog. (Which is probably unsurprising, being that you and I went on about her in the books thread for like a month at one point.) But...well, yeah, man, I'm not gonna accuse you of wankerdom or anything, but it DOES seem to me this is not really a new problem for you. I say go for it, my fence-sitting vampire brother. You work with the man; ask him to go out for a drink -- it's a time-honored practice. Make us proud of your newfound bold resolve and go get some.
 
 
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23:53 / 01.09.04
I'm starting to get the feeling that this will be one of those threads I regret posting after the fact. Part of the problem is that people think they know everything about you just based on the content of what you post, hence they come to these abrupt conclusions that, in some cases are erronous. I actually wasn't planning on responding to any of this but I feel the need to at least make my case and clarify my points.

Neil Gaimbit, your definition of "bisexual" is being nit-picky. One aspect of any type of sexuality is having a sexual desire/attraction to either/or genders. In which case I could say that I definetly feel sexual attraction towards both genders, so in that aspect yes, i am a bisexual. Furthermore, not once in the intital post did I ask for advice, rather it was heaped on me (of course you could claim that the whole thing is a veiled attempt to get sympathy or attention, but the much more banal fact of the matter was I was simply bored last night and I thought it would be a fun thing to post. I often try to find the humor in life's little miserable moments. It's called self-deprecation).

I also highly doubt I could ask to suck his cock as that goes against the store's sexual discrimination policies (and yes, I know you weren't being serious).

Ganesh, what you have to consider here is that there are many factors involved in real life and boiling it down to a Mcinspirational advice fails to take into account the complexities of life. despite my seemingly mind-numbing obsession with detail even I can't go into every little aspect. For example, in all the word-mess above I didn't comment on how whenever he is at work he's almost always behind the register and busy with customers, therefore, no oppurtunity is present to establish communication. To do so in such an open area would create an awkward work environment and I don't want that as I really need this job at the moment. I can't speak for anyone else but if a co-worker came up to me, someone who I barely knew and only exchanged pleasentries with, and asked me to go out for coffee, I'd be suspicous of their intent. I don't think it's normal behaviour to request such a thing... Furthermore, I don't see why it's always me that's thrust into the position of having to ask people out... Frankly it would be nice if someone else had to shoulder the responsibilty for once, but this forces me to consider the notion that no one has ever found me attractive in such a manner, and I don't like wallowing in negative mind-sets.

As for spending too much time on the internet, that's nonsense as I probably spend maybe 1-2 hours online a day, which is a paltry amount compared to the amount of time my friends spend on it.

Lepidopteran, change is pointless if it is done under fear of death or bodily harm. It is only truly worthwhile when the individual consciously makes the decision to change and goes about doing it. Any fool can go to a person on the street, point a gun at the person, and tell him/her to act like a dog. Naturally the person will do so, but it doesn't mean they've changed, they're just doing it to live, and that seems a cop-out to me. Like that scene in "Fight Club" where Brad Pitt threatens the clerk with a gun. Better had the clerk chosen to change on his own! I'm not depressed and isolated 24/7. people seem to have this image of me where I stay in my room all day and never get out, but that's simply not true. I go on walks, go out shopping, I can communicate with people, I'm not agorophobic, I can hold a job... Frankly there are people that can't even achieve those things, so i wouldn't say I'm that bad. I just have a ton of issues I need to resolve and I'm trying to resolve them one by one. To quote Bill Murray in "What About Bob", "Baby Steps". If the community wishes for me not to talk anymore about my personal/social life until it changes, then fine, I won't. Simple as that. Of cousre this begs the question, how do you know when you've truly changed, and how can one even gauge such a concept, but I'll leave that question for the scholars. just because someone is a virgin and doesn't have a huge group of friends doesn't mean they're a social misfit... Hell, Lisa Kudrow didn't lose her virginity until she was 32 or so. I think it's a mistake to have sex out of a sense of desperation, or to try to prove something to someone.

I'm glad you like my style, Charrenz... I don't have any work posted online but if you're ever interested drop me a line and I can show you something.

Illmatic, for someone whose read so much Reich I'd think you'd know not to respond to a masochistic character with sarcasm and bile... That usually just encourages their behaviour, seeing as a masochist tries to earn love and admiration through provocation and defience. I don't like to admit when I'm wrong, being of a stubborn nature, and adopting such a tone usually just encourages me to resist. The problem is you know me mostly by most posts in Temple and occasionaly here, but you ignore the fact i also post in the comics forum, the music one, occasionaly the book and film ones, and in none of those have I ever exhibited my "negative" characteristics. I realize I can be annoying and pretentious at times, and I know how irritating it can be to give someone good advice, only to see them ignore it time and time again (My attempts in real life to cheer up and inspire a suicidaly depressed post-op transexual friend, which seem to work only to have him fall back into his old ways a few days later, and the process repeats itself). Having said all that, I'm a little hurt that you chose to vent off against me in such a public way. I've always considered you a friend and avlued your advice and if you were really annoyed with me or had a bone to pick with me, I'd rather you of posted to me in private to tell me I was being a twat rather then mock me in public. Still, if you thought that's what the situation called for, more power to you. If I really am as annoying as you say I am I simply won't post at the Temple or Conversation at all, until I "go through a change", "become illuminated", whatever (of course, who can really gauge illumination?) Finally, just because I haven't always tried out what I read in occult books doesn't mean I've never tried anything... believe it or not I actually have adapted some stuff to my own life. But you're not around to see that so I can't really blame you for making such an accusation.

Anyway, this whole thing was a mistake, I'm sorry to have wasted your time, just go on and live your lives and let me solve my problems on my own, okay? I won't rub my problems in your face anymore and you just leave me alone and everyone will be happy.
 
 
Smoothly
00:05 / 02.09.04
I just still can't work out why this thread's called 'I need to be more gay'.
 
 
Ganesh
00:22 / 02.09.04
Ganesh, what you have to consider here is that there are many factors involved in real life and boiling it down to a Mcinspirational advice fails to take into account the complexities of life.

Zen (or, at least, navel-gazing) for 'I can't be bothered'. It's simpler than you think: he either goes with it or he doesn't. The fact that you're afraid that he won't (or perhaps afraid that he will) does not an achingly complex life-situation make, despite your best attempts to concoct one.

despite my seemingly mind-numbing obsession with detail even I can't go into every little aspect. For example, in all the word-mess above I didn't comment on how whenever he is at work he's almost always behind the register and busy with customers, therefore, no oppurtunity is present to establish communication.

Presumably you are gagged, then, or chained to separate ends of the shop - and the dialogues you've described thus far were conducted during brief-but-courageous escape attempts? Or perhaps via semaphore?

To do so in such an open area would create an awkward work environment and I don't want that as I really need this job at the moment. I can't speak for anyone else but if a co-worker came up to me, someone who I barely knew and only exchanged pleasentries with, and asked me to go out for coffee, I'd be suspicous of their intent. I don't think it's normal behaviour to request such a thing...

Whatever your 'suspicions', this is the stuff of "normal" social interaction, and happens in "normal" work environments on a daily basis all over the planet. 'Do you fancy a drink after work?' or, if that's a world of sphincter-shrivelling risk too far, the vaguer 'do you fancy going for a coffee some time?' are hardly the remit of the starey-eyed stalker. The fact that you're already talking about love, and attempting to divine coded messages from the titles of childrens' books, on the other hand, stray dangerously close. I'm afraid this alone tends rather to undermine your pronouncements on what is and isn't "normal behaviour" in the workplace.

Furthermore, I don't see why it's always me that's thrust into the position of having to ask people out...

The fact that it's you who's decided they're the partner for you? You who've formed a crush on them?

Frankly it would be nice if someone else had to shoulder the responsibilty for once, but this forces me to consider the notion that no one has ever found me attractive in such a manner, and I don't like wallowing in negative mind-sets.

More to the point, it forces you to contemplate the possibility of actually getting off your arse and making a move, with all the attendant possibility of embarrassment/rejection - when you're clearly far more comfortable wallowing passively in online negative mind-sets like this one.

You know what to do. Talk to the guy. Or shut up about it.
 
  

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