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Astonishing X-Men #3

 
  

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sleazenation
13:48 / 05.08.04
Emma has been a career criminal for a large chunk of her life, and even as an X-Man, she's still a person with rather questionable ethics.

Hmmmm. Fury's line struck me as rather odd and, to me at least, hinted at a rather ambigous nature of the White Queen's nature as 'a baddie'

Has she ever been arrested for anything ? have charges been brought? Are there any outstanding warrents for her arrest ? Has she actually got any convictions against her?
 
 
Spaniel
16:20 / 05.08.04
Sleaze, I declare Pendantry!

Flux, Gambit's on the money when he says he's working himself up. He really likes to work himself up.

By arguing you are fuelling his contrariness.
 
 
diz
17:27 / 05.08.04
Say what? First, she was being pretty witty about it.

that's debatable. Kitty has been thoroughly annoying for all three issues so far, and generally comes across as being a self-important, sanctimonious twit who thinks she's much wittier than she actually is.

Second, she's totally in the right to see something wrong with Emma Frost teaching ethics to children!

like hell she is. Kitty has been consistently way out of line with regard to her behavior towards Emma, and is way off base with regard to the ethics class issue.

ethics as an academic subject is not about teaching a certain ethical code or saying "this is right, and this is wrong." it's about exploring different value sets and proposed moral principles, and examining the strengths and weaknesses of each perspective. it's about developing sophisticated, critical thinking about ethics, not about imparting some sort of moral code.

Emma clearly has a well-defined perspective on ethics and is clearly the type of person who has put a lot of thought into these questions. she clearly understands how different ethical paths function, has a highly critical and unsentimental intellect, and is incredibly articulate. whatever she's doing, she knows why she's doing it and why she believes it's ethical, and has demonstrated that she's willing and able to debate and defend those choices, while also being able to rethink and reevaluating her own past decisions.

you may not agree with the choices she's made and the conclusions that she's come to as a result of those inquiries, but her own personal beliefs and decisions are entirely irrelevant to her qualifications as a teacher of ethics. teaching ethics is about the process, not the results.

Kitty basically mouthed off about something she doesn't appear to understand in the slightest, in a sort of self-congratulatory way that made her look like a "fucking retard," as Wing so aptly put it.

things like the Wing conversation point towards Whedon intentionally using Kitty as an example of a kind of simplistic, naive, self-righteous moralism which is no longer appropriate to the X-Men's mission, and that her character arc is going to track her progress from a teenager with a chip on her shoulder to a mature young woman with a better grasp of the complexities of good and evil and such. he's writing her as an annoyingly stupid bitch right now so that she can grow into maturity later.
 
 
The Natural Way
19:02 / 05.08.04
I think, while yr absolutely right about Emma, Diz, I'm fairly sure Kittys not being intentionally portrayed as an "annoyingly stupid bitch". Whedon really likes Pryde, it's obvious, and, given her circumstances and history, her POV's just as valid as anyone else's. Yes, she's portrayed as naive sometimes, but she's astute and cutting when it counts. And Emma does need someone to watch her and counterbalance her slightly Nietzschean perspective with a little bit of empathy, warmth and humanity. She pretty much says so herself.
 
 
The Falcon
22:36 / 05.08.04
I'm quite enjoying the Kitty/Emma tension - better this ish, I'll add - rather than getting emotionallly involved in it and choosing sides.

I do think Kitty's suspicions are understandable, within the plot, given Whedon's handling of the new X-Couple as a singular vehicle, lady driver. Emma has a dubious amount of power in the X-Men hierarchy, given her past, and what Whedon flagged up in his Fury/Summers aggresso-fest; that Magneto was a teacher there twice.

Unless the second one was an impostor-impostor or Erik the Red.

Her 'the humans will always hate us' is a long way off the Disney cum Gandhi-isms I used to read in this comic, too. Feels more pointed in the days of Houllebecq and 'asylum-seekers as serious, vote-winning political issue', as well as reflecting Scott's revelation on the Weapon Plus satellite.

Gambit, you're right about some of the irritating cuteisms in the dialogue (and the Diiz boy was right to pin a nail on that 'bestest X-dragony' nonsense last month; did I mention Grant owns a sharper dialogue scalpel too? In print, this'll show) but I was happy with how this comic survived the cut by a distance for me this week.
 
 
The Natural Way
16:27 / 06.08.04
I just feel the need to reiterate: Any problems I have with this comic are nothing compared to how much I like it. I'm actually excited about the next issue! EXCITED! Really makes me happy when I have a new best fast-food book.
 
 
I am Invisible now
02:52 / 07.08.04
At first, I had no intent at all of reading this, or any of the x-books after the latest "reload" or whatever its called. After perusing fan opinions of it, I broke down and bought isuues 1-3.
Its not bad. im really liking it, and I almost get the feeling I had after reading nxm....the "" I cant wait for the next issue" feeling. That ,along with, I re-read it cause I enjoy it so much. I really enjoy the kitty/emma tension-hate thing going on with them. I cant wait to see whats happenning next in this book.
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
11:38 / 07.08.04
And what the shit does Anne Rice have to do with Buffy?

Vampires?
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
16:44 / 07.08.04
By that logic, X-Men is quite a lot like Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles because the characters in both are mutants.
 
 
The Natural Way
11:20 / 08.08.04
Here's some other things Buffy was like:

Francis Ford's 'Dracula', Hammer House films, 'Salem's Lot', Bram Stoker's 'Dracula', Fright Night.

Radiator, c'mon, stop being a prat.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
14:11 / 08.08.04
Well, after three issues I now feel I can relax and accept that it's a great comic. I was kind of dubious that the "novelty", such as it is, would wear off to leave not much else but some snappy dialogue. But it looks like we're in safe hands.

I still prefer George's, but I think they each have their own different strengths. For example, I find George's dialogue more fun to read, but Whedon's easier to actually imagine somebody SAYING.

'sgood. Bastard's only gone and got me buying an X-title every month again, hasn't he? Humiliating, that's what it is.
 
 
Spaniel
17:32 / 09.08.04
Good to have you on the team.
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
11:37 / 10.08.04
Anne Rice was merely the first vampire pop thing that came to mind. There wasn't an agenda behind it, like.

Also you may wish to entertain the idea that the original intent behind TMNT is to X-Men what Buffy is to Anne Rice novels, Flux.
 
 
The Natural Way
11:43 / 10.08.04
I'm pretty sure that one's fairly meaningless, too, Radiator. Naughty Radiator!
 
 
The Falcon
14:15 / 10.08.04
Interviewage.
 
  

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