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Astonishing X-Men #3

 
  

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Matthew Fluxington
16:39 / 27.07.04
There is a four-page preview on Pop Culture Shock, as per usual.

Looks great so far. I'm excited. I love that last line on page two.
 
 
The Natural Way
16:45 / 27.07.04
Yep. Great. Fine.
 
 
FinderWolf
18:52 / 27.07.04
These 4 pages are just a tease; wish more happened in them Looking forward to the issue.
 
 
TroyJ15
03:44 / 28.07.04
We got the comic at my store. I read it. Joss is doing the opposite of what the other X-Writers are doing and actually utlizing instead of damaging Morrison's run. I was lukewarm about this book, but 3 shows alot of promise. Some great one-liners, a good dose of continuity-acknowledgment, and the story of the Alien and mutant "cure" is starting to peak my interest with this issue.
 
 
diz
12:23 / 28.07.04
i've got to say that i was skeptical, but i'm really warming to the cure storyline (not the Cure storyline, mind you - that would involve Scott getting fat and weepy and having black mascara running down from under his visor). it's brought the focus right onto the issue of mutation itself, which touches on human/mutant relations as well as on the broader classic Marvel theme of the dichotomy between the joys and burdens of superheroism. this is starting to look exactly what a post-GM X-Men should look like.
 
 
Billuccho!
18:13 / 28.07.04
Ack, the comics shop didn't have it in today, so now I'll probably have to avoid spoilers for a whole month. Poo.
 
 
FinderWolf
14:36 / 29.07.04
This ish was pretty tight. Can we start the spoilers now?

Oh, and yes, it sort of explains why Ord and Kavita Rao hang out together, as you know I was very interested in.

Final page - thoughts? I say Joss doesn't bring the character back just yet in any real way.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
14:41 / 29.07.04
It would be fantastic if the first page of #4 was "No, of course not. Why would you think that? Are you $%#*ing retarded?"

See, I'd like that to be a sort of catchphrase now.

But yeah, probably the classic bait and switch.
 
 
Simplist
15:10 / 29.07.04
Final page - thoughts? I say Joss doesn't bring the character back just yet in any real way.

Actually it would be pretty funny if he did, as it would completely screw up Claremont's "X-Men: The End", which opens with Jean not having been seen since the end of Morrison's run.
 
 
Mr Tricks
16:01 / 29.07.04
along with PLANETARY 20 talk about a Casady overload!!!

Kit Pryde's "we're a community" speach was dandy... there's certainly alot of tit-4-tat banter going on.. but that beats the hell out of pages of Narration.

Emma as an ethics teacher... classic!

Still hating scotts huge silver goggles, but an interesting exchange with Nick Fury.

I'm wondering if the whole Alien cure thing relates to the fall of the Shai'r Empire. Or will mutants be viewed as a sort of terestrial immune system that Ord is seeking to undermine in hopes of preping the earth for being "broken"

Also of note:
Beast has 3 fingers and a thumb but 5 toes!!!

The whole "Logan, are you going to fight everyone? When am I next?"
nice...

As for the Body they are using... it doesn't make sence that "they" would have access to her. They may be testing it on that little kid or Henry's and Dr Rao's unborn lovechild!!!
oh yeah...
 
 
Haus of Mystery
16:02 / 29.07.04
I really like how much Joss is following Morrisonian continuity. In fact I thoroughly enjoyed this. Pacey, sparse but effective dialogue (glad to see Joss not overdoing the Buffy ultra-verbosity), a brilliantly rendered trad X-Men fight scene and a thickening plot. Naysayers be danged, this IS head and shoulders above most soopah-hero comics at the mo.

Cool Fury cameo - Yay for the heli-carrier!
 
 
FinderWolf
17:04 / 29.07.04
I thought it was a bit much that the kid had the code-name "Wing" -- I would have liked it if Kitty just called him by his regular human first name or something.

"Do the teachers here just try to kill each other all the time?" "This is the coolest school ever!" was HILARIOUS!
 
 
Quimper
19:22 / 29.07.04
I thought that "mystical swordfight" line was interesting. Mystical swords. Sounds vaguely familiar.

Hmmmm. Rao is testing on a little girl, so I wonder if the X-Men would test on a little girl. I wonder if any little girls died at the mansion. Hmmmm.

Kitty really misses Peter, but he was cremated. If only someone were around that would remind Kitty of Peter.

I mean, it's not like Whedon would ever have his characters try to resurrect a blond teenage girl from the dead. That's ludicrous.

I guess will just wander around in Limbo until the answers as to who is coming back are put before us.

If this cure does work, it would probably take away this dead test subject's powers. Too bad no mutants had magical abilities other than their mutant powers.
 
 
FinderWolf
19:38 / 29.07.04
Nice one Quimper!
 
 
The Natural Way
19:49 / 29.07.04
Personally I just thought the 'mystical swordfight' line was funny. Very funny.

'Test body'? Doesn't the little girl have red hair? And she is very, very psychic. The Phoenix can probably reincarnate anywhichwhere it likes....

Just a thought.

Anyway...not sure what else I have to say (had a long day at work), but this comic sure does rock.
 
 
Spaniel
20:05 / 29.07.04
I know it's petty, vain and irrelevant, but I bloody said that Wolverine and Beast were going to ruck.

Didn't I bloody say that?

You should all listen to me more.

Henry might take the cure, only to revert to his primary mutation. Round, bouncy, hairless beast next episode?
 
 
The Natural Way
20:11 / 29.07.04
Cool!
 
 
The Natural Way
21:32 / 29.07.04
And I think yr really, really stretching with that Illyana (sp?) stuff, Quimper. Perhaps you could spell out the logic of it a little moe clearly.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
07:49 / 30.07.04
I suspect that would be difficult.

This comic is bloody awesome. So much good stuff. "What if Cassandra Nova was right?" - making explicit all the character stuff with Beast that's carried on from Morrison's run that should have been obvious anyway... Also the way Henry gets on with Emma because they have certain cultural tastes in common, but still doesn't quire trust her because... well, because he's very neurotic.

I like it when Fury is a git. Could any Marvel geeks tell me whether the woman with the green hair being suspicious is an existing character?

My suspicion is that it is Jean that Rao is using to make the cure - after all, you can see on Henry's screen that the sample he was given matches the DNA from "Archive 002". Whose DNA would be the second to be listed on the Xavier database? Jean, who was Xavier's first pupil. But I also suspect she's still very much dead, as Beast only talks about "the body" Rao is using. Kavita (or more likely Ord) has been graverobbing - hence "you ghoul". But I can see poor old Summers getting obsessed with the idea that there's still a way to bring her back. I really like the fact that Emma is the only one of the characters who's felt in control for the last few issues, and now that's been completely taken away from her.

Of course, making a cure for mutants from Phoenix DNA throws up all sorts of questions. Particularly since we were told in Morrison's run that the mutant species had registered toxic levels of aggression and the Phoenix had come to disinfect the planet. Maybe Ord heard that too, and this is his interpretation - cleanse the planet of the disease of mutancy...

"Broken world." Here's my wild theory which will probably not work out because it relies on Whedon having time to conceive one of the plot points of his run at the last minute: Ord is from the "amputated timeline" future from 'Here Comes Tomorrow', broken off from the present by Jean.
 
 
The Natural Way
11:28 / 30.07.04
Um, yes, but I still think there's no getting away from Tildie's redheaded psychicness. And doesn't Rao mention getting the tech for the cure from Ord's people? He hasn't made his contribution yet.

I think I'm sticking with this until next month's ish proves me wrong.

And Boboss has really spoiled 4, hasn't he? But, aaah, it'll be emotional.
 
 
LDones
11:39 / 30.07.04
I'm getting a similar vibe, Flyboy. I have my doubts about Ord actually being an 'alien' in the proper sense, though I'm unsure why (except perhaps that everyone but Ord has called him one). I love Ord's huge fingers. They're father-level imposing.

I've never particularly been a fan of Whedon's television work, but Astonishing has already made a huge impression on me as a solid piece of writing, through and through.

Most comic writers take a year or so to grab Morrison's plot threads and run with them. It's so refreshing to feel like a post-GM run is actually happening directly after the events of its prior, at a level that realizes and then further develops his work with the characters while still making it unique.

"Are you a !@#$ing retard?" is just glorious.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
11:40 / 30.07.04
This was a great issue. It's just getting better and better, isn't it? I have absolutely no complaints. Whedon nails every character, especially Henry and Emma.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
11:45 / 30.07.04
Most comic writers take a year or so to grab Morrison's plot threads and run with them. It's so refreshing to feel like a post-GM run is actually happening directly after the events of its prior, at a level that realizes and then further develops his work with the characters while still making it unique.

I think this comes from Whedon's taste (he was a big fan of NXM, so obviously he would want to carry on from there) as much as his background in television - I'm sure that on some level, he sees his 12 issues as being the next "season" following year three of Grant's run. All of the character threads are being picked up and expanded, and it's lovely.

I just hope that they find someone really good to replace Joss after the first 12 issues are up, because I really love the dynamic of the Scott/Emma/Henry/Logan cast, and it'd be a shame to break them up or have some lesser talent take over. It would be fantastic if they hired another Buffy writer to immediately follow Joss - Doug Petrie, maybe?
 
 
Haus of Mystery
11:47 / 30.07.04
Agreed. I said it already, but the fluidity of the transition from Mozzer's run is ace. They feel like the same people, and as 'New x-Men' was so character based this seems appropriate.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
12:06 / 30.07.04
Another thing I should mention liking: the way the Logan/Henry fight is structured. They tussle briefly and then start talking again, and you think "Oh, 'cos they wouldn't really fight", and then... SNIKT. "Little man!"
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
12:20 / 30.07.04
"You beast!"
 
 
The Falcon
12:48 / 30.07.04
Very good.

Joss just pushed the pedal with expert timing.

Flyboy has nicked the exact theory I had in my head earlier today, and written it beforehand.

Fury exchange = hangin' tough. I love it when colourists go all red.
 
 
makeitbleed
14:06 / 30.07.04
What impressed me about those panels was the architecture of the office. There was a big, red part of the furniture behing Fury so a legitimate reason to have red backgrounds was created. It wasn't just a dramatic device or a sloppy rendering with no background.

I'm realy enjoying this run and it seems like one of the reasons it's so above the norm is because of the teamwork involved. The writer and visual artists really seem to be collaborating instead of working assembly-line.

Another thing that may only be my personal thing: it takes me longer to read these than most comics. It seems like there's more substance and significance to every word and scene. I'm a quick reader and it usually pisses me off because it means I spend $3 on something it'll take me five minutes to read. Not this stuff. And it holds interest for several re-reads. Sucks we're already 1/4 through.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:26 / 30.07.04
What impressed me about those panels was the architecture of the office.

Absolutely - I really like the way the SHIELD vehicles are there in the background looking snazzy (a sports car!), but your attention isn't drawn to them unnecessarily. So maybe you don't twig where exactly this conversion is taking place until the money shot, which is a dream of a Cassady panel: boom, the Helicarrier, there it is. I'm also very glad that the line from issue two about SHIELD turned out to be a plot point, because it seemed then a slightly clumsy way of doing what this scene did very well, which is put the X-Men in the context of their world... And it's 100% on the money that their relationship with that world (or universe, I guess) is quite antagonistic.
 
 
The Natural Way
14:49 / 30.07.04
I think it a little odd that Marvel didn't decide to stick Milligan on the NXM team, TBH. Gonna really miss the mutants if they stick some shitty writer on the book. Maybe Whedon'll stay.
 
 
FinderWolf
15:12 / 30.07.04
This was kick-ass and very , very meaty.

Good theory about the Broken World. I'd like to see that be the case.

I'd love to have Ilyanna back!

I could also groove on a hairless big Jack Kirby X-Men #1 Beast!
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
15:20 / 30.07.04
Milligan is so much better off giving new life to some characters who haven't been written well in ages, or ever at all. There's no good reason why Grant/Joss' squad should be the only ones written as three dimensional characters, you know? Rogue, Gambit, Havok, and Iceman have a lot of potential, and I'm sure that Milligan will do right by his misfit X-Men and make them seem like a natural group rather than the sloppy leftovers that the more famous writers didn't want.
 
 
Mr Tricks
16:37 / 30.07.04
The only Gren haired woman i can think of that would associate with S.H.I.E.L.D. is Madame HYDRA A.K.A. Viper.
She's tussled with the X-men before...

Also of interesting note on that sceen was how the Silver with Horizontal red wall reflected the Silver & Red visor of Cyclops. Both of them have "one eye" but don't seem to see eye to eye....

ALso the Danger room as play room was hilarious though it would've been nicer to see a sort of transition out of the playroom theme into the standerd Danger room... but that's just my minor quibble.

Also the way Emma breaks up the fight... CLASSY
 
 
Billuccho!
20:44 / 30.07.04
A semi-fortuitous traffic jam coming back from a long-distance trip ended up with a nice detour going very close to the comic shop, so hey, Astonishing #3 is mine! Very very good stuff. It reads just like a Whedon TV show, which is wondrous, and the characters are very real. Henry is written marvelously. The series as a whole gets better and better as it goes on, so I'm very much looking forward to the next one. The storytelling is so solid it's... supersolid. Or something.
 
 
Spaniel
07:36 / 31.07.04
Further to the bouncing Beast theory: In the preview image we see hairy Henry holding a photo of his old, hairless self. The juxtaposition seems to suggest something.

Also, Henry has reverted to his old wrestler suit - the suit worn by the Beast of yesteryear. Of course, it could be argued that it fits with the whole retro costume theme, but...

Oh, and Mcoy's got to get some closure from somewhere - might be a good, suitably dramatic end to his angst.

It should be pointed out that I'm far from convinced myself. But I like playing with the idea.
 
  

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