BARBELITH underground
 

Subcultural engagement for the 21st Century...
Barbelith is a new kind of community (find out more)...
You can login or register.


The Filth Revisited

 
  

Page: 123(4)

 
 
johnnymonolith
16:51 / 20.07.04
Tannce, interferons are (extremely expensive) biotechnological substances actually used to dampen the immune system and the antibodies themselves. MS is an interesting disease-analogy to use in order to read the narrative components of the Filth and in many ways the most appropriate one: antibodies in MS destroy healthy cells "thinking" that they are foreign/hostile entities. In reality, antibodies destroy the myelin sheath that covers the nerve endings (i.e. the communication centres) of cells and thus prevent bioelectrical messages being passed between cells; this might result in (temporary or permanent) blindness, mobility and/or cognition problems and so on and so forth. In essence, MS is a disease where the metaphorical tearing down of communication bridges between cells (i.e. the demyelination of nerve endings) results (in most cases) in disability of some form. This lack of communication/miscommunication is of course evident throughout the Filth in both the confusion caused to the reader by all the occult/Freudian/cultural/comic symbolism and the Glaswegian accents and the in-jokes, etc. resulting in a resounding "what the fuck does it ALL mean?", or again in the confused state of Ned/Greg who cant remember or is uncertain who he is half the time during the course of the story. Should he attack or should be part of Status:Q? He is not certain. Even ,his suicide attempt in #12 is a symbolic one: he uses para-cetamols to kill the para-persona he considers to be hostile to the sense of who he is: it is all about the language and how we use it to construct our own personal narrative of the dark night of the soul (or something like that). When we next see him in #13 and after he has encountered LaPen, Miami and Mother Dirt (we are all manure, that is the truth, seems to be the symbolism of M.D.'s words to Greg), he seems to be a much more focused person. He seems to have reconciled himself with the way things are: much like most patients with chronic illnesses have to do if they are to live lives that will carry some sort of meaning/purpose.
 
 
Char Aina
19:53 / 20.07.04
When Max Thunderstone encounters the Hand he just puts the ideas of Buddhismo into practice and punches the fuck through people, whereas the hand are using tranquiliser
darts.



yeah...
but they wanted him alive, didnt they?
so they could make the spartacus hughes?

i didnt get the impression they were doing it to be nice.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
16:20 / 21.07.04
Well, Mother Dirt is a big pile of crap, so I expect they add human bodies to the rubbish pile to become fertilizer.

Everyone else spotted that Slade's job, negotiation, is the same as what I-Life is supposed to do, negotiate with illnesses and conditions not to attack their hosts? I think the I-Filth will turn out better than The Filth.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
17:12 / 24.07.04
Come on, let's finish this!
 
 
---
15:38 / 21.08.04
God and Goddess that was a wierd ride.

I just read it in one go, i finished about half an hour ago and that was really intense. I nearly fell to sleep a couple of times because i only had about an hours sleep last night but i made myself go all the way through and i'm glad that i did.

Wow i feel like i could spend hours writing this post but i'll keep it as short as possible.

Erm.....Ned at the end was like a man that had just been pushed too far, a man that had so many problems that he couldn't just sit on them, he had to have answers and he even went so far as to risk being an anti-person in order to get his truth. He'd been pushed so far that being an anti-person didn't even register anymore, because everything was shit and the answers where the only viable thing left for him.

His Cat, to me, was the symbol of his soul. I don't know if this has been mentioned anywhere else here because i've not read this thread yet, i'm kind of getting down whats in my head at the moment, but in Egyptian the word 'Ka', which is very close to Cat when spoken, is the soul, or part of it and at the end when the last thing is written : 'It is love' it was for me Ned finally getting his soul back. It was a really touching moment.

As far as the rest of it goes, well i'll have to read through it again i think, but when the Scottish hand operative died, the woman, it made me cry a little, it was just so fucking sad.

It also seemed like he'd made the I-Life his ally and he possibly had the ability to heal, like when he put his hand to the guy in bed who'd been in the dumper truck, it looked like he'd gone through the Abyss, he'd broken his way into the Abyss, confronted the terrible Mother or whatever it was and had come back purged of all the dirt and pain that he'd gone through.

Brilliant writing and art, a real mad ride, the story kind of overloaded me with grief and chaos until i cried at the hand operative dying of cancer at the end and i really didn't think it would get me into that state, i was a bit shocked. Obviously the other guy, his stand-in was his shadow, the part that he had to eventually confront in order to go further. The subway on the final page could represent a lot of things, i see it as the darkness or unkown of the future, but he had his soul and his life back, he'd finished his work with the hand and could go onwards with the knowledge that he was healed and that he had a knowledge and an ability of his own to take him through that unkown.

Amazing story, and i'm sure i'll learn a lot more when i go through it again and read what's here. I'm really happy that i haven't come here confused and looking for answers though, i feel that i got my own meaning's from the whole thing and i feel content, so maybe this will unfold as a real gem as more fit's into place that i didn't see the first time around.

Wherever the Morrison is and if he ever reads this : that was genius, thankyou Grant, it must have put you through hell writing it, i'm glad you survived and came back with fire for us!

Having a very faint idea of how much he connects and lives out some of his stories, that must of been hard, hard work.

Just to finish, i know the above has probably been covered and is old news but i just had to get it down as like a reminder of how i felt after reading it for the first time.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
09:13 / 22.08.04
Wherever the Morrisson is, and if he ever reads this

If anyone wants to get in touch with George, it's worth bearing in mind that I'm much better friends with him than some of the other people round here.

You know who I mean.

I have Morrisson's flat under 24 hour surveillance, and I don't recall seeing ( naming no names, ) ever showing up there.
 
 
---
00:30 / 23.08.04
I have Morrisson's flat under 24 hour surveillance, and I don't recall seeing ( naming no names, ) ever showing up there.

Scary. You'll be making the poor guy paranoid if he reads this thread!

Before i try and drag myself away from internet/Barbelith addiction :

Just wanted to say that i feel like reading this yesterday definately had sometype of positive psychological/magickal effect on me. I feel like i was just drifting along being sometype of nobody/puppet/outer-church wankman/anti-person and then this has come along and it feels like it's shattered big chunks of negative conditioning that i had in me.

Also seems to have brought some repressed stuff to the surface, but that was one of the whole points of it for me, i more or less knew on the bus home yesterday that this was going to have an effect on me and now i feel like it's still working away in the background, doing things in my subconscious, bringing things out into the light so that i can deal with them. It's fantastic. (i'm a pretty magickally minded person with a few problems at the moment, for those of you reading and thinking "what the fuck?")

At the same time it's given me more energy to work with and more incentive to do my own writing, because i can't keep relying on the Morrison to pull me out of the pit!

In other words : a total lifeline and an inspiration.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
07:33 / 23.08.04
I got much the same effect when I read all of Volume One of the Invisibles for the first time in one afternoon. Intense...
 
 
Dan Fish - @Fish1k
09:08 / 23.08.04
Anyone read this weeks Lying in the Gutters? Apparently there's rumour of a film from the makers of Spaced....
 
 
miss wonderstarr
14:03 / 23.08.04
I agree with you Eion. I read The Filth during a week when I went into surgery for the first time in my life, a real low and obviously fuelled with a lot of medical drugs as well as reducing me, physically, to a zero degrees infantile state.

I finished reading the trade paperback in one push with some magic mushrooms and a bottle of wine, and I could really connect with Feely's final experience... I had felt the same way earlier the same day. Just the experience of walking for myself in the open air, after days in hospital and then days of weakness, felt like a gift. I felt like I should thank someone for the sky and the trees. (Sounds frigging Fothering-Thomas -- if that's his name, the weedy wimp from the Molesworth books -- but after darkness and deprivation, simple things were a great pleasure.)

The artwork seems ugly and clunky to me in places but I can't help wondering if that wasn't intentional...much of the Feely-world material is so detailed and documentary-style, that perhaps the Filth scenes, with their gaudy, cheap-plastic-model aesthetic, are meant to be that unpleasant and nauseous.

I feel this book will have profound significance for some people, even if that group is relatively small, and will resonate with some readers for years.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
10:24 / 25.08.04
kovacs The artwork seems ugly and clunky to me in places but I can't help wondering if that wasn't intentional...much of the Feely-world material is so detailed and documentary-style, that perhaps the Filth scenes, with their gaudy, cheap-plastic-model aesthetic, are meant to be that unpleasant and nauseous.

Um, yes. Issue 7 deals with this IIRC...
 
 
miss wonderstarr
11:18 / 25.08.04
Do you mean the conversation about the outfits and accessories being deliberately fetish-sexual in order to remain semi-"invisible", as people block them out?

That's true, but I meant the artwork as much as the actual design. I don't think my comment above made this clear. Weston's early scenes of Feely really impressed me, but as I think has been said on this thread, the more fantastical sequences looked like they were drawn from plastic toys and action figures. Some of the perspective was just awful, and there were huge splash pages that were thrown away because the art was so pedestrian.

I can see some get-out for the art if The Filth was meant to look Gerry Anderson, as Morrison has claimed. But I still think if you compare some of the double-spread splashes to similar images in The Authority, for instance -- can't remember the artist's name -- the opportunity to stun the reader with widescreen revelation has been bodged.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
08:38 / 26.08.04
Now, if you were complaining about Weston's art on The Invisibles I'd largely agree with you, but I think his Filth artwork is much better. Perhaps you could give references to some of the pictures you have problems with and I'll check it out?
 
 
miss wonderstarr
09:17 / 26.08.04
Sure, a few instances:

In the trade paperback, pp.210-211. I guess the perspective is right -- my own artwork is GCSE standard so I'm not exactly trained -- but it looks like a kid drew in the lines with a ruler. The fact that background elements are just as detailed and in the same colour range as foreground makes it look flat. The image just looks uninspired, amateurish.

pp.156-7 -- this would be my prime example. There is no sense of depth whatsoever here. A high concept has been effectively spoiled. The water looks like a graphic effect has just been laid in a flat fill-in with some gradation of colour -- the ripples are the same size on the black line of horizon (miles away) as they are at the coast in the foreground. The ship, again, looks like the work of an obsessive kid with a geometry set and some good rulers, but no sense of how objects actually occupy space. A splash that should take my breath away makes me think "OK, I see what you're getting at but what a waste." It's so uninspired, it feels like a guide idea for a genuinely good artist to transform into something stunning.

pp.196-197: again, reminds me of the pictures me and my friends used to draw as teenagers, obsessing about every little detail and not comprehending that things in the background of a smoky sea can not be seen as clearly as those in the foreground. "Deeeeeuw I'm drawing a rocket zooming down.....pssshhh!! I'm doing his face screaming as he falls off the ship miles away.... pyeeew pyeeew I'm doing them firing rifles." Some attempt at depth has been made, again thru computer colouring, by softening objects in the distance, but overall the palette is horribly gaudy, unsubtle, as if the artist has just gone for the first turquoise and pinks he found. The fancy sky effects dress it up but the basics are all wrong. The whole composition seems to show no instinctive talent.

I could probably find you more big spreads like this but I hope you get the idea. I have rushed the above post a little just to give my impressions but again, I hope this gives a sense of what I mean.
 
 
Malio
17:46 / 07.10.07
GM's annotations provided for the book's Italian translator. Useful for non-Brits/non-Glaswegians I would imagine.
 
 
Mug Chum
01:25 / 09.05.08
Scroll down the page, and you'll find some rough original concept sketches and some panels that were left off the comic (for being too filthy) here (NSFW).
 
  

Page: 123(4)

 
  
Add Your Reply