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Millar and the Spider-Man.

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D Terminator XXXIII

14:22 / 02.07.04

#4 online.

As someone whose only Millar exposure was the first couple of issues of Authority and the first trade of the Ultimates - which time has been really unkind to, already - I found this sadistic approach towards the Spiderman universe rather revolting and intriguing. At the same time.

Thoughts? Likes? Dislikes?

14:35 / 02.07.04

took ages to get goging - the first two ish's seemed really pointless, but the epic scrap with electro in the last ne was top, and an effective twist at the end. i liked it enough to wait for the paper version of no.4

15:40 / 02.07.04

I know what you mean about the pacing, but I find Millar is often a bit slow to get going. The best thing about this is Dodson's art, I love his Spiderman, I think its just fantastic. I'm less sure about the supporting cast, though I did love the scene in Peter's room in issue 1, all the little nods to past stories, including a tiny model of the Living Brain right back from the Ditko era. The big battle was cool, also the way they've shown the fact that Parker gets hurt in his fights.
On the whole, good, but not great. This may however be biased as I am a big spidey fan.

Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!

15:58 / 02.07.04

I think Felica's breats r vey relastic!

15:59 / 02.07.04

It's been ok. The mystery of the who the hanging-upside-down master villain is is keeping me interested... also, Aunt May getting abducted, that's kinda keeping me hooked as well.

Regrettable Juvenilia

17:46 / 02.07.04

Yes, for the first time the villains have struck close to Spidey's heart. Aunt May: the face of a wrinkly angel and the heart of a lion. Will she survive? I cannot know.

Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!

19:00 / 02.07.04

But Spidey got shot dude! And, like, he was bloody through the whole issue and he wasn't even in costume! This is how comics should be, for oversized man children, YEAH!

PS. Black Cat's breasts are so amazing I am completely willing to overlook the fact they are not real in a physical sense! In fact, it's probably better! Women just whine and stuff, y'know. Not like men.

Spyder Todd 2008

19:07 / 02.07.04

Writing stuff:
Like Spidey. Like Electro. Like the Vulture. Don't know what to think of Cat yet (althought the "Don't mess with my Ex" line was great). Definitely disliked the take on Osborn. I mean, the dude's never been arrested before. And he runs a giant company. And it was so underplayed. I was annoyed. Also, I was annoyed that the goblin and Spidey were just kind of fighting for the sake of fighting, never really explained why.

Art wise:
I'm not huge on it, but it's okay. I like webwings on Spidey (I know they're pointless but they look great when he's getting the not beaten out of him and they rip like crazy), so I miss that. Electro's costume kept doing weird things. (The lightning bolts were there one minute, gone the next) Do like the cuts and bruises that should have been there since the beginning, though.

03:15 / 05.07.04

I'm on the fence about this (as well as Astonishing). Millar has done good stuff but I agree that his stuff can be a little too biting at time (it worked for the Authority and, with mixed results, on Ultimates). I dunno. I like anything he writes for the villians (his cynical nature works for them), but I'm not sure if he can work for the Parkers. And hasn't everybody kidnapped Aunt May. I'm hoping the big twist justifies the means. Looking forward to his Wolverine run though.

13:45 / 05.07.04

The whole Green Goblin vs. Spider-man thing is being explained in "he pulse" (at least that's what marvel´s saying, i'm waiting for the trade). All the villains are great and issue 3 has one of the most exciting battles i've seen in comics in recent years. I'm really wondering who th fuck has Aunt May, and Millar's take on Black cat's relationship with peter is great.
Still, his wolverine from the ultimate line is still my favorite version of the character from the last 15 years or so, and for that i'm really waiting foward to his run on that title.

Matthew Fluxington

17:13 / 05.07.04

Still, his wolverine from the ultimate line is still my favorite version of the character from the last 15 years or so,

It kind of blows my mind that someone feels this way!

16:05 / 07.07.04

Okay so I skimed that preview and then went out and picked up the run from #1... Perhaps it's the afterglow from seeing the S2 film but I' enjoying this. The internal monologue works for me... the BAD GUYS are solid and the costume redesigns, so far, all work.

I thought Norman Osborn had died ages ago? Can someone clear that up?

Spyder Todd 2008

17:09 / 07.07.04

He did. In Amazing 122. Then in the mid ninetys, some asshole brought him back. Apparently for 20 YEARS he'd been off getting "medical treatment overseas". God damn Marvel editorial staff...

A beautiful tunnel of ghosts

18:50 / 07.07.04

Aside from the story in the online issue, I was puzzled by the appearance of Adrian Toomes, the Vulture. As far as I was aware, Toomes died from cancer as a result of radiation emitted by the technology he used to fly.

21:35 / 07.07.04

In bold letters without bold tags: Fuck Continuity - who cares so long as the story's interesting.

It's a fun story so far, dig the Dodsons artwork. ElectroFight Issue was a solid action-film read.

Oh, and the guy who kidnapped Aunt May is Dr. Octopus. I have no advance information and no inside connections, its just Dr. Octopus. No surprise coming, I assure you.

08:17 / 08.07.04

isn't it *always* doc oc who kidnaps aunt may?

weren't they dating for a while? or as that been retconned as an aunt may robot was dating doc oc while she was really off dating young men overseas

really liked the vulture in this millar comic, some genuine motives for what he did, a bit of pathos, and villians who felt like real hoods.

was just mulling over how working class most of spideys enemies are, you know, blue collar villians, as opposed to the more middle / upper class ones that say the fantastic four face regularly. probably the greatest proletariat gang has to be the wrecking crew though, and i think they were the avengers (as upholder of all american military-industrial values) enemies appropriately enough

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15:38 / 08.07.04

>> was just mulling over how working class most of spideys enemies are, you know, blue collar villians, as opposed to the more middle / upper class ones that say the fantastic four face regularly. probably the greatest proletariat gang has to be the wrecking crew though, and i think they were the avengers (as upholder of all american military-industrial values) enemies appropriately enough

Very true. Spidey villains are either genius twisted insane scientists or cheap two-bit hoods.

Then again, I wonder - don't all comic book villains (superhero villains, at least) fit into those two categories? But Spidey's do definitely seem to have an overall tone to them -- more blue-collar villains than anything else.

I loved Millar's use of the fact that real vultures wait for their prey to be all half-dead and fucked up before they come in for the kill. I don't think anyone in 20 years of Spidey has used that joke/idea with the Vulture.

And yes, Adrian Toomes did die in a very well-written J.M. DeMatteis Spectular Spider-Man story which has been conveniently forgotten/retconned by Marvel.

SO who do you think the master villain is, hanging upside-down and knowing Peter's secret?? I'm clueless. Maybe Ben Reilly, the clone? That's my only guess.

16:40 / 08.07.04

Yes I do like that POV with the Vulture and am particularly please with the revised costume. Who ever heard of a green Vulture!?!?

For some reason The ret-con of the vulture's death seems more forgivable than the ret-con of Norman's death... but HEY that's me.

17:30 / 08.07.04

"It kind of blows my mind that someone feels this way!"

Don't get me wrong, Millar's Logan was a true bastard, but he was a dangerous bastard and we could realize that just by reading his dialogues. In the Marvel Universe, however, he's lost that characteristic. He doesn't look that dangerous anymore. I think only Rucka had a Wolverine that showed that Side of the character as well as Millar.

Regrettable Juvenilia

19:29 / 08.07.04

It was the goatee that made him TRULY DANGEROUS.

Haus of Mystery

20:02 / 08.07.04

Flyboy, it BLOWS MY MIND that someone feels that way.

22:28 / 08.07.04

I dunno, I actually prefer mature "non-dangerous" Logan to the semi-abusive slavering psychopath various writers have portrayed in the past. Guy's been through a lot, learned an enormous amount, wrestled his demons to death over and over and over again. You'd expect him to be fairly calm and settled at this point, albeit with a certain degree of unplumbed depth...

23:03 / 08.07.04

Logan should get some tattoos. That would really be badass!

Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!

23:27 / 08.07.04

To be frank, he'd be way cooler if if he had RETRACTABLE ADAMANTIUM CHAINS OF DEATH in his arms. Claws are so obvious.

23:44 / 08.07.04

Or they could be Adamantium Chains With Claws On Them! And then GOATEES ON THE CLAWS. FUCK!

23:49 / 08.07.04

Also the goatees would be retractable. And have a drinking problem.

Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!

23:53 / 08.07.04

ONNNNAMOTAAAAAAHBIIIIIIIIIIKE!

I'm Rick Jones, bitch

06:02 / 09.07.04

To be fair, Kubert's the wanker who fucked up Wolverine's look. And Scott's look. And Jean's look. And Beast's look. And...

06:55 / 09.07.04

>badass!

i think his heeling factor would repair the skin and push the ink out like it does bullets, unless magneto made him some nano-sentinel tattoos, that could you know send him bad as well and make him kill chris claremont.

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Haus of Mystery

09:07 / 09.07.04

What would make the character EVEN MORE GRITTY is if he lost all his faith in humanity, making him EVEN MORE violent. Then he could find God. And be less violent.

He could also have retractable guns AND claws.

10:21 / 09.07.04

How about he just whips out his huge clawed adamantium penis with retractible goateed foreskin? And it's smoking a cigar? A tattooed one?

I crossed a line there. I'll go.

ONLY NICE THINGS

12:25 / 09.07.04

To be frank, he'd be way cooler if if he had RETRACTABLE ADAMANTIUM CHAINS OF DEATH in his arms

As proof that no idea is so stupid that it has not inspired a Marvel character, I give you Omega Red.

Haus of Mystery

12:43 / 09.07.04

I loved that fad for x-men clone teams (Wildcats/Stormwatch/Strykeforce/Wildwatch/Stormstrykecats etc) in the dire early 90's, where you had characters who had blades instead of limbs. What, pray tell, did these guys do when making tea? Or doing their shoelaces?
I envision a one-shot special, of somesuch character (let's call him Deathblade for GRITTINESS sake) simply trying to leave his house in the morning, endind up hilariously dismembered and disembowelled amongst the wreckage of his kitchen. In can have a foil cover if you so desire.

13:07 / 09.07.04

So anyway, about Millar's Spider-Man...

Maybe the master villain is The Beyonder. He could stand upside-down a lot.

Spyder Todd 2008

13:28 / 09.07.04

Um... right... cause the Beyonder's all... you know... GOD!... and Spider-Man talks to god a lot in JMS's series... so... the Beyonder knows his SECRET IDENTITY!!!!!! Bwahahahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!

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