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A new forum for sport? A new forum for games?

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semioticrobotic

12:53 / 10.06.05

Spatula: Same goes for the 'What videogames' thread. I think it'd be in the new forum's interest if that was locked and left where it is, rather than moved. It's a one-thread-fits-all solution and the new area will make it entirely unnecessary.

My voice is a bit smaller than everyone else's, since I'm new, but I'd like to say I agree with your suggestions and would vote to enact them. I'm all for letting the new forum find it's voice naturally (good way to put it), and I think dumping old threads in it would give people less incentive to initially visit.

paranoidwriter waves hello

19:44 / 10.06.05

My two penneth: I would also welcome a forum with threads ranging from (say) "Jack Denfield's reports on life as a professional degenerate gambler", to "Footballers lives and the role-model factor"; alongside threads like "The mindset altering qualities of games like Go and Chess", and "Is taking Australia in 'Risk' a good opening gambit?". Come to think of it, why not include Mornington Crescent (I'm VERY fresh to this game), and discussions about things IBM's Chess Playing Deep Blue, or even texts like The Art of War, and The Prince (both of which, for my shame, I still haven't read, but am lead to believe have relevance to gaming, etc). I know many of these topics could overlap with Head Shop, Switchboard, Laboratory, etc, but then the boundaries aren't that rigid between forums anyway, right?

I also liked "Games and Gaming", but how about 'Strategy and Skill'? These elements seem to link all the above with more sporty sports (e.g. Tennis), and computer games, etc, without sounding too computer-gamery.

Basically, I'm a hopeless game-player, but I am very interested in learning from anyone here about "game theory", especially the narrative aspects of it, such as those discussed by Janet H. Murray in Hamlet on the Holodeck"e.g. online role-playing games, the modern AD&D, etc...

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

20:30 / 11.06.05

Oh, and as long as an in-depth knowledge of sport isn't required, I'd also be happy to volunteer for mod duties...

16:03 / 12.06.05

Mornington Crescent's an interesting one. It certainly fits in with the idea of 'play' - if that's where the players want it to go, then I've got no problem with it. If that happens, though, we might possibly need to guard against threads like this and that "take one word from the last song title and post another song title that uses it" one from popping up as a result. They're not games, by any stretch of the imagination - they're people writing out lists.

paranoidwriter waves hello

13:55 / 13.06.05

I also liked "Games and Gaming", but how about 'Strategy and Skill'? These elements seem to link all the above with more sporty sports (e.g. Tennis), and computer games, etc, without sounding too computer-gamery.

(should have been "Games and Play" -- sorry)

How about just "Play", or "Strategy"? I always admired the one word perfection of forum titles like "Switchboard", "Temple", etc.

Also, I reckon threads like this show the width of scope a sport's forum could have, as well as how interesting it might be to those of us who are not "traditional" sports fans.

By the way, I've been grazing this thread a few times, and I can't tell the staus of all this at present: is it already agreed upon? Is it definitely going ahead?

14:01 / 13.06.05

I think so, yeah. It's just waiting on Tom to get some free time in which to put it into practice.

paranoidwriter waves hello

14:21 / 13.06.05

"Excellent".

14:23 / 14.06.05

OoooOOOoooOOOooo!

14:27 / 14.06.05

Changed my mind now. Don't want it.

Fnarf.

14:34 / 14.06.05

Hooray! Who's going to start?

14:38 / 14.06.05

I don't want to get cocksmudges on the shiny, new thing

14:40 / 14.06.05

Can we start by shunting the kiloton, megaton, 'grim and gritty publisher goodness' threads over to the new forum?

14:43 / 14.06.05

Trips> As stated above, I think it might hurt the chances of new discussion springing up - and new, non-gaming people getting involved in that discussion - if those threads were the first things to take up residence there.

Are we allowed to post to it yet, Tom, or are new threads likely to cause you problems or get messed up while you're still fiddling?

14:44 / 14.06.05

That said, it might be a better idea to farm those Conversation threads for posts which could make for decent topic openers on their own.

Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!

14:47 / 14.06.05

Oooh, it sure does look purdy now it's changed colour.

Can I start a thread about Thierry Henry?

14:49 / 14.06.05

You can post away, but try and make sure that your first thread in there is something that you'd be proud to post on any other part of the board. May as well start the way we want people to continue, eh? So something really good.

14:50 / 14.06.05

It's quite cool to watch it grow in front of my eyes. First grey, then orange, and now moderators are sprouting like flowers in their little online garden.

14:52 / 14.06.05

I'm scared. I bet I get picked last and have to go into deep field because I don't know the rules.

15:00 / 14.06.05

Nnnnnn must not post rubbish. Ok I'd better get home, have a cup of herbal tea and get some research done before I post now

Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!

15:04 / 14.06.05

Damn. I guess "Thierry Henry: Isn't he pretty?" is a no go then.

semioticrobotic

17:10 / 14.06.05

*gasp*

It's finally here!

Tryphena Absent

19:02 / 14.06.05

Nice colour! Thanks Tom.

paranoidwriter waves hello

19:34 / 14.06.05

Too right! Tom, fancy giving me a hand decorating my cell? I'm crap with colour, darling.

00:29 / 15.06.05

It's gone a bit wrong already, hasn't it? That football thread - does anybody mind if that one goes to Conversation? I'm sure that there are lots of decent discussions to be had about football, I'm just not sure that "let's talk about football!" followed by "football is fucking shit!" really qualifies.

00:45 / 15.06.05

Wow.. love the color, not to mention the idea! Got me a little excited..

00:54 / 15.06.05

Yeah also loving the colour. Though for a few minutes when it was light grey between the rusty red of the Film, Tv & Theatre and the light orange of Radio and Music I got scared and had to watch through my fingers.
But anyway yay!

05:51 / 15.06.05

Is it possible to move threads into this forum? I don't see it listed in the dropdown menu in the modify screen.

Regrettable Juvenilia

07:10 / 15.06.05

That football thread - does anybody mind if that one goes to Conversation? I'm sure that there are lots of decent discussions to be had about football, I'm just not sure that "let's talk about football!" followed by "football is fucking shit!" really qualifies.

I don't think this is Duncan's fault, and I think the thread should stay: early threads are bound to be a little broad, and as I've said in the thread, the responsibility to not ruin the thread is on those who don't like football, much as I have a responsibility not to go trolling in LARP threads.

18:12 / 15.06.05

My first impression was that it was cool to see a bunch of people who I haven't seen posting much elsewhere popping up on the new forum. It's just nice to see some new faces

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Tryphena Absent

02:35 / 16.06.05

Yeah, just wanted to say generally how pleased I am, especially in light of some of the threads, that this forum has been created. They're really showing up that there was a gap that needed to be filled and even though I don't have much to say there I'm finding reading it very interesting.

paranoidwriter waves hello

02:51 / 16.06.05

If that happens, though, we might possibly need to guard against threads like this and that "take one word from the last song title and post another song title that uses it" one from popping up as a result. They're not games, by any stretch of the imagination - they're people writing out lists.

I quite like these sorts of games, it' reminds me of Burrough's and Gyson with their Cut-Up experiments. (IMHO) Threads like this can help shift perspectives, and could easily be argued as being valid to the new Games forum. However, I suppose the aforementioned example could also be applicable to the Film, TV & Theatre, or even Creation. Is it more a matter of differentiating between The Core, The Revolution, The Spectacle, etc in the Wiki? Help?

What do y'all think? Should we encourage these games to go in a specific forum, or be more flexible? BTW, my interest in all this (at the risk of sounding even more pompous), I admit, is less subjective and more objective. e,g in respect of the TriPolitica, etc.

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

03:36 / 16.06.05

I don't think Spatula was arguing against the existence of threads like those... just whether they'd be appropriate in a new forum set up primarily for discussion. As ze says, they really are just people writing lists. They'd probably get booted from FTV or Music pretty sharpish, too. No, I think Convo's definitely the place for 'em.

paranoidwriter waves hello

14:12 / 16.06.05

I don't think Spatula was arguing against the existence of threads like those... just whether they'd be appropriate in a new forum set up primarily for discussion

Cheers Stoatie, but I promise I wasn't suggesting this. Spatula had merely made me think about such "list games' and I wanted to ask you all what you thought. Promise. : )

ONLY NICE THINGS

15:32 / 16.06.05

Conversation, probably. At a pinch, Creation, which is where Mornington Crescent goes. These threads bascially function as reminders that somebody still exists, for other members and themselves. They're fun and provide a useful grooming function, but they are not going in the games forum, any more than "Write the name of a post-impressionist whose name begins with the last letter of the name of the preceding post-impressionist" has any relevance in Art, Fashion and Design.

Early days so far... I'm a little concerned, in particular in the RPG threads, that we have very broad-based threads (A thread about being a gamesmaster, say), which then become primarily anecdotal. Forum's still finding its feet, though... I'll be interested to see how many people post where...

23:32 / 16.06.05

Stoatie: They'd probably get booted from FTV or Music pretty sharpish, too.

Actually, the 'post the name of a song that contains a word from the previous post' list/game *was* started in Music and then moved into Convo.

Haus: I'm a little concerned, in particular in the RPG threads, that we have very broad-based threads

We could probably do with an RPG-literate moderator, if we've not got one already. I couldn't steer a 2xD10 RPG thread to save my life. Same goes for sport, really - Plums and astrojax are doing a bang-up job of getting the football threads sorted, but neither are mods. Could be worth changing that.

Of course, you could always get involved in the threads yourself if you don't feel they're up to scratch...

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