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Is this art? (WARNING- non-worksafe pix)

 
  

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deja_vroom
00:03 / 16.05.04
Rage. That's not art. Stop doing it or stop showing it. Can't have them both.
 
 
Bed Head
00:08 / 16.05.04
Firewave: Hey thanks man, and even though i'm about to take you up on that offer

Just in case anyone misinterprets. My telling him to shut up and go to bed did not constitute an offer of any kind.
 
 
Mazarine
00:18 / 16.05.04
Duly noted, I'll be your witness.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
00:26 / 16.05.04
I would just like to echo what Bio said. And also in relation to that post; Rage, that's your face that is.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
00:31 / 16.05.04
But is it art?
 
 
deja_vroom
00:32 / 16.05.04
But you could start the first Barbelith-spawned goth band with "Eternal Thread Decay", though.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
00:40 / 16.05.04
It wants to be art. Really, really REALLY REALLY badly.

It's just shit, though.
 
 
Rage
00:42 / 16.05.04
Are you guys doing the witch hunt or what?

It's amazing what one image can do to you people! By the way, it was done in MS paint. No Photoshopa. If you think that keeping this thread up here and being Collective Assholes is gonna "teach me a lesson" you are no better than a 3rd grade teacher.

THIS IS NO LONGER MY THREAD. IT HAS BEEN CENSORED BY THE BARBELITH SENATE.

Currently going through some very hard times, and there is no way your pseudo-intellectual-semantical-rationalization crap is gonna be of any help. So ya, I'm out. Again. ::throws super spiky dart::

Wow! I mean, What at an overreaction you guys have displayed! Just so you know, everyone else found my picture hilarious.

::kicks door open::

Rage is dead.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
00:47 / 16.05.04
Sensitive, much?

Shut it.

Stick to the music. Then create this idiocy as a persona to sell it.
 
 
Rage
00:53 / 16.05.04
Rebirth baby!!!!!

RAGE REBIRTH ACTION!!!!!!!!!

I find it hard to sympathize with anyone who went to Iraq for a business trip.

Besides, my face has piercings anyway.

::dies of censorship disgust::
 
 
Mazarine
00:54 / 16.05.04
Darn.

Currently going through some very hard times, and there is no way your pseudo-intellectual-semantical-rationalization crap is gonna be of any help. So ya, I'm out. Again. ::throws super spiky dart::

Wow! I mean, What at an overreaction you guys have displayed! Just so you know, everyone else found my picture hilarious.


Oh fucking please. You said over and over again that this was how you expected everyone to react, and the reason everyone reacted this way was because it's the same boring crap you always do, because you're just as predictable as everyone else. If anyone's talking like a third grade teacher, it's because you're acting like a third grader. Quelle surprise.

You want to shock someone? Grow up. That'll be a fucking shock.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
00:56 / 16.05.04
Oh, and I'm very sorry if you're having hard times, but why don't you think about it in the sense that.... YOU STILL HAVE YR FUCKING HEAD.

Get over yourself, and your "art".
 
 
Mazarine
00:58 / 16.05.04
Just so you know, everyone else found my picture hilarious.

That explains a lot. You're surrounded by idiots.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
00:59 / 16.05.04
Fastest return ever. Do you ever wonder about why people doubt your sincerity?
 
 
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01:01 / 16.05.04
Just in case anyone misinterprets. My telling him to shut up and go to bed did not constitute an offer of any kind.

Yes it did.

I didn't actually know that the picture was of a prisoner, and after that i do think it's a bit sick, so yeah, Firewave the immature, never good enough thicko is going to bed, i look forward to reading my useless bullshit in the morning.

Good-fucking-night.
 
 
deja_vroom
02:28 / 16.05.04
You know, it's just that... *technically* speaking, it's not art, really. You asked.
 
 
Char Aina
02:59 / 16.05.04
If you think that keeping this thread up here and being Collective Assholes is gonna "teach me a lesson" you are no better than a 3rd grade teacher.

the best way to show them all is by being less paranoid.
 
 
eddie thirteen
03:20 / 16.05.04
Huh. So apparently, an execution is pretty much the equivalent of an episode of Jackass to you. I'm glad all your friends busted a gut over the, um, beheading. Hoo-hah. I'm afraid, though, that it doesn't make you avant-garde, punk rawk, h@rdk0r3, or...whatever. It just means that you are spoiled and sheltered -- in a way that probably only an middle-to-upper-class white American can be -- that you are incapable of imagining pain and suffering unless it is happening to *you,* whereupon it becomes the world's gravest injustice.

And thanks, but I am perfectly awake, etc., and was not offended by the nature of the pictures -- really, you should see my DVD collection -- but rather but what they signified; a distinction that you are obviously too immature to make. Maybe if someone you know is sent home from Iraq in multiple body bags, you'll figure it out. I hope it doesn't take that kind of hot-jumper-cables-up-the-ass jolt to wake *you* up and alert you to the fact that you are not the only real person in the world, but...if it is...I'm sure you'll get the opportunity to experience that jolt, as we look to have people in this stupid fucking war for basically forever.

And, to reiterate, your "art" is not offensive -- the images that you did not create that constitute the only part of "your" art that anyone is talking about are offensive. And those are only offensive because of what they signify -- one person's subjugation and killing, no more and no less horrific than the prison abuse photos that I notice you have *not* made a collage with. *You* offend because your art (in itself not that interesting) shows that you do not understand why what is happening *in* the pictures is wrong, which displays a stupidity that is offensive (and implies that you would have fit in well with the group assigned to guard the afore-mentioned Iraqi prisoners). What is most galling, however, is the way in which you associate the photos with YOUR art and YOURSELF, which is indicative of a self-centeredness so fucking huge and so terrifying that I can't imagine how anyone else fits in the same room with your ego.

Basically, put simply, no one gives a shit about your "art." They care about the photos. Those aren't yours.

You know...even the fucking Mary Kate and Ashley shit isn't yours.

Come to think of it, you haven't created a fucking thing. Why the hell am I even talking about this bullshit? Bah.
 
 
sine
06:32 / 16.05.04
Christ. Whenever I slog through a thread such as this one, I cannot help but refresh my amazement at how quickly a mere act of reading can sap my energy and give me a freaking headache.

I didn't even see the damn picture and my eyes are throbbing.

However I have had a thought: here you go, it might make a good art experiment.

Set up a touch-screen monitor kiosk in some nice publicly frequented location, like a park or busy intersection. Said kiosk is labeled:

Click here and opine upon mine own quality of art!

And when they do? BLAMMO! you rig the fucking monitor to emit several million rads worth of hard rays and melt their eyes. Then just sit back and wait for the accolades (and inevitable censorship by Big Brother at the EPA) to roll in.

Forget that guy who paints everything red and blends up goldfish. My shit is the real deal.
 
 
40%
07:17 / 16.05.04
I find it hard to sympathize with anyone who went to Iraq for a business trip.

You know what? Forget what I said about learning from your mistakes. Just give up. I'm already so disgusted by you that I'm not going to touch any of your "art" with a bargepole in the future. And that's a real shame, I liked some of your pictures and music, but you're just such an objectionable individual that I can't stomach you even for the sake of the talent you do possess.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
07:29 / 16.05.04
I was full intending to contribute to this thread, but it appears that while I was sleeping, Sally and various others have made all my points for me.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
09:48 / 16.05.04
I don't want to say this, but I kind of have to...

Firewave, did you actually not know about Berg's decapitation? And believed that this was indeed a friend of Rage's who had agreed to be beheaded in the name of art? Only, if you want to show that we are all asleep and you, only you, are truly awake, reading a newspaper might not be a bad start. It's characteristic of what many do after waking. Over coffee.

Yes, I know, they are all run by the Man and sent to deceive us into being cowed, obedient sheeple, but you honestly might profit more from taking the time that you spend telling us this and invest it in some media other than the Invisibles and the Matrix Warrior...
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
11:28 / 16.05.04
 
 
The Falcon
13:16 / 16.05.04
The Independent has the least fingerprints of the man, imho. Try that, Firewave.

And everyone, just remember: if you go to Iraq on a business trip, you deserve beheading and crass memorial on the 'net. It's art. Dude, I would.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
13:44 / 16.05.04
Rage: I've always had a soft spot for you. You've just crapped on it. Well done. No, I'm not shocked--I've seen the pictures before, after all--but I'm pretty disgusted that you'd appropriate the image of another human being's brutal murder just to play another round of your "Tee, hee! Aren't I naughty? Aren't I transgressive? Look at me, everyone!" game.

You'd better have been high when you pulled this latest stunt. Really, really high. Like, the whole time.


JackZenMatFirewaveThingy: When I first became aware of your posts, I thought you were naive, over-enthusiastic maybe, but basically an okay bloke. That's why, though I mocked you a little from time to time, I tried to engage with you.

I bitterly regret bothering.

After your comments here and in certain other recent threads, I can only conclude that you're on glue. "The guy got his head chopped off in the name of art"? What are you like? Do you ever read anything except comics? Jesus.
 
 
Hieronymus
16:33 / 16.05.04
So apparently, an execution is pretty much the equivalent of an episode of Jackass to you. I'm glad all your friends busted a gut over the, um, beheading. Hoo-hah. I'm afraid, though, that it doesn't make you avant-garde, punk rawk, h@rdk0r3, or...whatever. It just means that you are spoiled and sheltered -- in a way that probably only an middle-to-upper-class white American can be -- that you are incapable of imagining pain and suffering unless it is happening to *you,* whereupon it becomes the world's gravest injustice.

A-fucking-men.
 
 
+#'s, - names
18:05 / 16.05.04
in a way that probably only an middle-to-upper-class white American can be
Pffffffff. Whatever.
 
 
deja_vroom
19:57 / 16.05.04
Also note that not only that is not Art, but it's not a good anything else either. Unless you count it as an example of what happens when you get your Orc (not Tolkien's, Blake's, {and not 7's, darn it})flames mixed with poor and/or lazy efforts to actually *learn* some Art. "Minimalism + Realism". So-clever-it's-dumb way of saying "a. I put little effort into it"+ b.)"Half of the body (the other half is stuff I typed with my elbow while jumping up and down my aqueaky chair, vide a.)of this work is images pasted straight from the source, images with which I didn't interfere in any subjective way. For *shock*. Remember, "shock"? ..."

And you probably look much better with your hair full-grown, too...
 
 
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20:00 / 16.05.04
I don't want to say this, but I kind of have to...

Firewave, did you actually not know about Berg's decapitation? And believed that this was indeed a friend of Rage's who had agreed to be beheaded in the name of art? Only, if you want to show that we are all asleep and you, only you, are truly awake, reading a newspaper might not be a bad start. It's characteristic of what many do after waking. Over coffee.

Yes, I know, they are all run by the Man and sent to deceive us into being cowed, obedient sheeple, but you honestly might profit more from taking the time that you spend telling us this and invest it in some media other than the Invisibles and the Matrix Warrior...

JackZenMatFirewaveThingy: When I first became aware of your posts, I thought you were naive, over-enthusiastic maybe, but basically an okay bloke. That's why, though I mocked you a little from time to time, I tried to engage with you.

I bitterly regret bothering.

After your comments here and in certain other recent threads, I can only conclude that you're on glue. "The guy got his head chopped off in the name of art"? What are you like? Do you ever read anything except comics? Jesus.


Ok i'm getting sick of all this crap now.

I was pissed last night when i wrote what i did in this thread, and yes, i did think that he'd got his head chopped off for art. No i didn't think it was Rage's mate i thought that it was just some guy who'd actually agreed to have it done.

For God's sake i read something on another board about some German that had agreed to be killed and then eaten by a cannibal who'd advertised for a willing sacrifice on the net or in the paper, so yeah, i thought he'd agreed to have it done after agreeing to be killed.

And yeah, i'm pretty fucking thick, i'm sorry about that. I've just spent 40 minutes trying to stop myself from being banned in the anti-semitism thread in the Policy and Help forum, and then i come here and read this.

You people just go too over the top sometimes, and Mordant : i'm sorry you regret bothering.

That's another mod who i've annoyed, i guess this is it. Mordant if you PM the other mods i'm sure you'll find enough to have me banned, i've apologized to Tom twice in PM's and haven't had a reply, so i guess that's about it for me.

I feel like an emotional fucking vampire, this is ridiculous.

There. Looks i'm following The Fetch, then you can say i was anti-semitic too.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
20:12 / 16.05.04


Your head. My art.
 
 
Cherry Bomb
20:21 / 16.05.04
Oh my god, I haven't laughed this hard in a long time, and for all the wrong reasons, too. No, I'm talking about rage's "art" - thank god you have to link to it because I really don't want to see it. I'm one of those eyes wide shut sheeple who think violence shouldn't be trivialized because we shouldn't lose sight of the seriousness of doing violence to other people, so I don't really want to see rage's unpretty collage. I
 
 
eddie thirteen
20:23 / 16.05.04
Firewave/Jack/Zen/Maitreya...settle down, Beavis. I don't think anybody plans to ban you. I'm not a mod, so I dunno, but from my perspective you're not guilty of anything but getting incensed over threads without, um, reading them in full. It may be hard for some to believe that you really thought someone volunteered to have his head chopped for a picture, but I'm positive you are 100% on the level. I just...I *know* you are, man. It's okay. I don't think anyone is mad at you anymore. Just....it's okay.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
20:33 / 16.05.04
Oh dear.

Banning doesn't work like that, Firewave. People are banned by Tom's action rather than by moderator vote, and only if their presence is perceived to be actively damaging to Barbelith. It is an extremely rare occurence, and as far as I know simply being cretinous is not in itself banning material.

However, the cretinous issue is something that you may want to address. You have in both this thread and the "Anti-Semitism" thread suggested that people calm down or that they are going over the top, but have you considered that hurtling into these threads like a dog with two dicks might be something that *you* might want to calm down a bit on? I seem to recall that a couple of days ago you did not know what anti-Semitism was, and then mere moments after that, after a quick trip to Google, you were telling everybody that they were wrong in their understanding of it, and generally very loudly and rather embarrassingly displaying your ignorance. Likewise this thread - I am absolutely gobsmacked that you managed to avoid any knowledge of Nick Berg, deciding instead that this was somebody who had selflessly agreed to have his head chopped off for the sake of some amateurish computer graphics.

However, what is truly gobsmacking is that you decided, without any research, to bowl into these extremely passionately-argued threads with your uninformed opinion and start insulting people for not getting it. Perhaps that might be identified as "going over the top"? Or needing to "calm down"? Just maybe?

It seems, despite your claims, that you are far more interested at present in parading your views, no matter how ill-informed, than you are in taking the time to consider or indeed to learn anything except the bare minimum required to contribute to the thread. That's contribute, not contribute value. And, if you decide to do this about decapitated civilians, anti-Semitism and Holocaust denial, and have to have it explained to you that maybe, just maybe, the fucking Blood Libel is more important than where Grant Morrison gets his ideas, people are going to think that you are a moron. And they are going to be right. Sorry, simple as that. Also, it means that you are going to introduce a massive drag factor to threads while everybody has to stop and explain humanity 101 to you, which is unlikely to endear.

Now, stop saying that you are thick as if it was some sort of defence and act on it. If you want to be thought of as a worthwhile interlocutor, start doing the groundwork. Ask people where to find things out. Read around. Have some idea of what is actually being discussed before you start telling people what they should be thinking about it. That will probably enrich massively your experience of this place you enjoy attending, because people will call you an idiot a lot less. Right now thick is not the issue, anti-Semitic is not the issue - ignorant, lazy and self-absorbed is the issue.
 
 
Mazarine
23:22 / 16.05.04
Ok i'm getting sick of all this crap now.

Firewave, rather than getting defensive and self-pitying, (much in the style of the "artist" formerly known as Rage) why don't you listen to what people are actually saying and learn from this? Yeah, people are being harsh to you, but do you get why? It just seems like you're really inclined to assume the worst of a lot of us, and it sucks, and then, when it turns out you're wrong, you get defensive and start talking about how stupid you are, which doesn't help anything.

I'm not saying "you're new, shut the fuck up," but maybe you should get to know us all a little better, and seriously consider the facts of what's being debated, before immediately deciding that one of us is opressed and those of us who disagree with her are fascist assholes. It's really kinda insulting.

People telling you to educate yourself before making sweeping statements and not to post while you're drunk is just good advice. You'd look a lot brighter if you just took it rather than talking about how we should go ahead and ban you (see Haus' comments above) or calling yourself an idiot over and over.
 
 
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01:12 / 17.05.04
Here, i'm sick of rotting threads now, i thought that seeing as i like trying things out, i'd take up a little ego smashing and see what happens :

Policy & Help thread
 
  

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