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Is this art? (WARNING- non-worksafe pix)

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07:51 / 14.05.04

Rage has posted this picture asking whether it is art.

WARNING- particularly gruesome images.

08:04 / 14.05.04

It would make a nice Windows background. But seriously, isn't asking if something is art just cruising for controversy?

08:06 / 14.05.04

DUDE!

Some warning please!

And, frankly, I think it needs alot more work done on it.
Is it yours, or did you find it somewhere?

08:11 / 14.05.04

Mine.

Realism + minimalism.

Art?

08:20 / 14.05.04

Could someone please please please put a warning on thsi thread. I really did not want to see that.

08:24 / 14.05.04

Me neither. Not happy Rage. Why did you do that?

08:26 / 14.05.04

In my opinion, everything can be art. But good art? I looked it over again, and I don't quite feel that it ties together.I kinda see where your coming from, but I guess I'm just not entirely sure what your trying to get across.

Can I state Again, this topic NEEDs a warning.
And doesn't this realy belong in art?

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

08:28 / 14.05.04

I've requested a warning... just have to wait for the other mods to wake up/get to work/whatever we just have to wait for.

No star here laces

08:33 / 14.05.04

Why does it need a warning? Has it been modified since then or something?

08:34 / 14.05.04

Art has no warnings.

If this topic is given a "warning" you are betraying what may or may not be art!

08:35 / 14.05.04

Because sometimes, you just don't like to be surprised with a decapitated head.

08:41 / 14.05.04

You are an atrocity to the avant garde movement.

09:33 / 14.05.04

Art? If someone says it is, I'm not gonna disagree. It's a little predictable to be considered "avant-garde", though...

10:45 / 14.05.04

Oh for fuck's sake. Yes, it's art. It's also horrible and I want a warning. The very idea of that execution was enough to freak me out without being surprised by pictures of it. You may think it's somehow situationist and clever, I think it's just fucking nasty.

10:47 / 14.05.04

Here's some more art.

[MODIFIED: You can guess from the rest of the thread what it looked like. I want it gone, as it was there to make a point, rather than to express an opinion. -cube.]

I hope that you can understand exactly why changing a single word of that would be an affront to art.

11:28 / 14.05.04

cube: If you let your eyes lose focus, you can see a 3D image of a motorbike hidden in your piece.

Our Lady Has Left the Building

11:36 / 14.05.04

So this is Rage's own work then is it. Fine. I guess I'll move for it to go to The Creation where all this stuff is supposed to go...

11:38 / 14.05.04

I think its a lazy and not too successful attempt to recontextualize some pretty powerful and very recent images.

11:39 / 14.05.04

Isn't this best suited to the art and design forum?since the question posed in the topic is 'is this art?' rather than 'what do you think of my art?' ...?

11:47 / 14.05.04

I saw my art more a a repeating motif recontextualising the thread zeitgeist as an homage to the great 90s art explosion of the great NEThing. There was a clear attempt to decontruct the word/image barrier while providing an elision of styles suitable for dadaist interpretation. Looks more like repeating bananas to me.

pointless and uncalled for

11:48 / 14.05.04

Giving this topic a warning is not betraying art. It is allowing people to make an informed decision which is and should be disassociated from the merits of the piece itself.

Bear in mind that whether or not a person views this piece from a work computer could affect their employment status which is a condition that should not at any level be involved with art.

As for the question, yes it is art. Quite simply, any body of work that is created on a fixed personal artistic principle constitutes art. The merits of the art itself are a more malleable set of values and for my own position I view it as crap art but you may yet pull ahead on the mean.

13:13 / 14.05.04

yeah, sure, it could be art, but it isn't very interesting is it? just a big mess of thing thrown together in very sloppy manner. C'mon. You could do better.

Our Lady Has Left the Building

14:21 / 14.05.04

Sleaze, I voted for here because it's Rage's art, though I base that on reading the thread but not looking at the site because I'm at work and that would presumerably be a very bad idea. If it's someone elses artwork, perhaps a Creation mod could ask for it to go to ARt and Design, my bad...

15:10 / 14.05.04

Rage does indeed claim authorship of the image in one of her posts upthread, but I didn't think that was particularly relevant since the question that this topic was framed around was, as I posted earlier, 'is this art?' rather than 'what do you think of my art'.

Of course many of the responses to the question are based around the audiences reaction to Rage's image.

Our Lady Has Left the Building

16:06 / 14.05.04

Point taken, but this is one of the things I was trying to explain in the Policy thread about the Creation last week, I feel we either have to be a lot stricter about putting Barbeloids work in here (and I don't think this qualifies, or else anyone could post anything they wanted in any forum by just entitling it 'is this x') or we close it down.

17:05 / 14.05.04

Of course it's art. (And, as such, it would seem to belong here...where was it posted the first time?) I personally think it's in incredibly bad taste, because to use the actual execution photographs (I presume those are real) reduces an actual human being's actual death to mere iconography; the Mary Kate and Ashley quotes may force the viewer to re-examine some aspect of American culture (what I'm not sure, and I suspect the intent is simply to juxtapose the banal with the horrifying in a gratuitously shocking way, though perhaps there's a higher sensibility at work here than I can determine) when set in an unusual context, but at the cost of trivializing a man's murder, and, by extension, his life. With this in mind, one must wonder whether the artist herself grasps the implications of her own subject matter. I have to give you points for boldness, Rage, but I think you might want to think a little more on what you're actually saying here...to paraphrase The Princess Bride, I'm not sure your piece means what you think it means.

17:56 / 14.05.04

Here y'go Rage, from the Italian Futurist Manifesto, 1909:

7. Except in struggle, there is no more beauty. No work without an aggressive character can be a masterpiece. Poetry must be conceived as a violent attack on unseen forces....

9. We will glorify war -- the world's only hygiene -- militarism, patriotism, the destructive gesture of freedom bringers, beautiful ideas worth dying for, and scorn for women.

You'd probably dig the rest, too.

18:48 / 14.05.04

You guys don't get it. This is because you do not get art.

Interestingly enough, the process this thread has undergone is an artform of its own.

By reducing my image to a mere link you have engaged in the art of censorship.

What's your favorite art piece in the censorship genre?

19:01 / 14.05.04

it may be art.
it certainly is crap.
honestly, i was unmoved.
i was not challenged.
emotional involvement on my part only extended as far as i was saddened by the thought that you considered what you were doing was in any way clever.

ooh! a dead person! edgy!

it looks like a bad advert on some pathetic serial killer fanboy website for the new 'faces of death' video.
and thats not a good thing.

6/25
must try harder.

19:05 / 14.05.04

By the way, misogyny sucks. I did indeed go through a "futurist phase" quite recently. Do you think that any female interested in futurism hates her body? Cause I don't have a problem with mine.

Your reactions to the image I posted were extremely perdictable, though I didn't expect the art of censorship to come forth so quickly. Is it possible that you have chosen to call me a cunt to supress your own desires for execution? One does not wave their national flag without burning it. This very process is art of a decadent nature, as the guy claiming that 9/11 was a great piece of art was a barbelith poster. This guy was later hung by The Government and sent to work as a militant spy.

In conclusion, you have engaged in groupmind censorship. This relates to your collective need to censor your own thoughts. You are not free because are executing yourselves, much like the images in my masterpiece. Is that art?

No.

19:25 / 14.05.04

Is it possible that you have chosen to call me a cunt to supress your own desires for execution?

In conclusion, you have engaged in groupmind censorship. This relates to your collective need to censor your own thoughts. You are not free because are executing yourselves, much like the images in my masterpiece. Is that art?

Own3d.

Will you marry me?

The link was down when i clicked on it, but now that i know it's a decapitated head i'm not too bothered. It'll just remind me of the thing i clicked on not long ago of a Russian guy getting shot and then getting his head cut off. Pretty gruesome, and sticks in my head for way too long.

19:30 / 14.05.04

Oh, it worked that time. Urgh. Yes i'd say it's art though, even if i wouldn't go for that type of thing myself. Is the picture in the top part the guy actually getting his head cut off that leads to the picture at the bottom?

I'm glad i've already had food and it's had time to settle.

19:45 / 14.05.04

I think its art. Good art? No. Good Design? Maybe.
Art should be challenging and engaging. This doesnt challenge or engage. Its the equivalent of a billboard.
Its a peta add for people.
Actually had it been a parody of a peta add it would have worked better. People for the Ethical Treatment of People.

And calling it avant-garde...puhhhleeze! Avant-garde is the word used by the art wanna be's. Its french for artsy-fartsy.

20:09 / 14.05.04

Avant-garde is the word used by the art wanna be's.

Come off it Keggers, there must be some fucking amazing art that's done by people who call their stuff Avant-garde. Your just trying to wind her up, it's obvious.

Give her a break for fuck's sake! Why so much stress just over a fucking picture?

20:12 / 14.05.04

When did I call someone a cunt?

I posted a piece of art and even explained it later. You must have misinterpreted it using the standard western linguistic obsession and were clearly unable to cope with it.

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