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Temporal Lobe Microseizure and the Involuntary Conjuration of Spirits

 
  

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LVX23
23:14 / 06.04.04
There's an article by Rick Strassman which appeared in one of the Psychedelics Monographs & Essays called "The Pineal Gland: Current Evidence For Its Role In Consciousness" which describes the biochemistry of the mammalian pineal gland and the conditions which can induce tryptamine synthesis (like certain resonance frequencies). The pathways from melatonin to serotonin to DMT are illustrated. Very interesting stuff. Unfortunately the article is not publicly available, but you can go to Rick's site and order a copy for $5.
 
 
sine
00:26 / 08.04.04
So much for using the blowdryer to hypnotize my wife, then.

Actually, if you're any good with a soldering iron, I could email you a few simple modifications...



I was under the impression that the quick cuts captured attention and held it there, but the actual neurological changes had more to with the frequency at which the raster repaints the image on the screen. I know from editing video it works out to nearly 30 frames per second...

That sounds consistent with what I know, for the cut-captured-attention and the frame-rate both. Television hardware isn't my speciality, so I may be bumping into a parallel ignorance border of my own.

There's an article by Rick Strassman which appeared in one of the Psychedelics Monographs & Essays called "The Pineal Gland: Current Evidence For Its Role In Consciousness" which describes the biochemistry of the mammalian pineal gland and the conditions which can induce tryptamine synthesis (like certain resonance frequencies). The pathways from melatonin to serotonin to DMT are illustrated. Very interesting stuff. Unfortunately the article is not publicly available, but you can go to Rick's site and order a copy for $5.

Very interesting...thanks for the link. I think I'll be ordering a copy of that shortly....
 
 
morning Dew
02:55 / 14.04.04
I didnt get through all of the posts but it just made me think of a point that I think Huxley pointed out several decades ago.
It only makes sense that a real Spirit encounter would DEMAND chemical changes, just as any state of consciousness correlates to states of brain. To brush away enlightenment and visions due to brain alterations is about as good as saying you are not really happy because you really just had a boost in serotonin or telling a depressed person that they arent really sad because they are serotonin deficient!! dont you think?
 
 
illmatic
12:29 / 14.04.04
I've only just read half of this thread, been puting it off for a while. Just wanted to bump it because it's absolutely bloody fascinating. be interestd to hear more, much more.

and I've got to say this "I wonder if the proof or disproof of independent entities results in a chicken or egg style of debate" and the res of Cat's Iao's comment there, seem prety damn on the money to me.
 
 
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14:10 / 14.04.04
If you were to successfully remove the 'dark-side' type effects you could potentially have the most significant piece of interactive entertainment hardware since the pinball machine

I'm not sure if this would be possible would it? I think the dark side type effects are nature's way of balancing the experience in some way. Balancing the bright lights of illumination with stability and understanding, the dark side that brings us back to reality.
 
 
sine
19:34 / 14.04.04
I see no specific reason the Dark Side effects couldn't be removed, or at the very least, diluted with the abundant wellsprings of irrational joy. That is to say, the brain is a finicky bird, but trainable.

As far as the 'chicken/egg' 'brain state/independent' theme runs, the question of independence interests me less than the question of efficacy. I suppose then, the question posed in the thread becomes...'if the experiences of entities evoked (invoked?) by the device are as magickally effacacious as those of other means, what use have they'?

As for more general discussion, I'm still game to answer questions should anybody have any ...I'm also digging around for a couple of early (pre-contract signing) transcripts I have of test subject experiences immediately after the session ended. If I find, I'll post.
 
 
grant
20:44 / 14.04.04
I suppose instructions on how to build a prototype would be right out, though, huh?
 
 
sine
04:13 / 15.04.04
Well... yes. Not yet anyway. What I can do is continue to post what I am allowed to, and to answer questions that don't violate my agreements. This, unfortunately, puts the onus on the questioners to ask clever questions. Of course, the conclusions drawn from my answers are not my responsibility, legally speaking, should they lead someone to replicate my research with their own ingenuity. I can also give good sources for finding the research my work is based on, at least everything that's a matter of public record.

Read: some assembly required.
 
 
HighkoNoise
22:56 / 17.04.04
Sine, is this correct?:

All you need to do is project certain 3d-time-varying EM fields onto the brain, that these fields do not need to be very high power (like TMS pulse) but repeating so the brain can tune/latch onto them.

If so, then all you need is a computer controlled device to emit the fields (trip helmet: array of inductor coils arranged around skull most simply) and software to generate/solve the field shape/frequencies.

Since you are not forthcoming with specifics: if one were to start this research from the beginning, all they need is search through the possibilities of all 3d-time varying fields for various parts of the brain. I propose that this can be done with neural networks/genetic algorithms, and the software could be turned into an open source project. This program would need only be connected to a multi-channel digital->analog converter, signal amplifier, and fed straight into the inductor coil arrangement that the program solves for. (software cost free, hardware cost hopefully minimal and easy to build, plans free and documented)

From there, anything is possible: transcendental states, direct emotion control, instant trip (perhaps custom imitations of LSD, DMT, ketamine states, etc)... lots of fun!!!

Sine, if you had any sense of adventure, you would leak your research (if it even does exist) (with the internet this is MORE than easy) instead of protecting yourself from NDA's. I can only hope to never be plagued by such a fear-guided scientific attitude. But I am grateful for what you have discussed anyway.

What would be helpful are signal specifications: power, frequency, etc, so that effort isnt WASTED on rediscovering all this. If someone is persistent enough, it will happen though (hopefully).

Thanks.
 
 
sine
00:31 / 18.04.04
All you need to do is project certain 3d-time-varying EM fields onto the brain, that these fields do not need to be very high power (like TMS pulse) but repeating so the brain can tune/latch onto them.

Roughly correct. Repetition is important...though so is complexity over time. All you need to do may be understating the task...it is very difficult to target specific structures without hitting others, to excite and inhibit in proper time, while taking into account the particulars of individual brain structure. For basic effects, your machine sounds very promising.

If so, then all you need is a computer controlled device to emit the fields (trip helmet: array of inductor coils arranged around skull most simply) and software to generate/solve the field shape/frequencies.

If you're like me, you also need a 1950's era chrome and leather dentist chair to affix the device in your test chamber.

The simplicity of your coil array, again, depends on what you're attempting. Even a single coil over, say, the right ear, would emit a field that would affect brain function in simple ways. I didn't use software for field-math, but I have a strong intuitive bent (even stronger post-machine).

Since you are not forthcoming with specifics: if one were to start this research from the beginning, all they need is search through the possibilities of all 3d-time varying fields for various parts of the brain. I propose that this can be done with neural networks/genetic algorithms, and the software could be turned into an open source project. This program would need only be connected to a multi-channel digital->analog converter, signal amplifier, and fed straight into the inductor coil arrangement that the program solves for. (software cost free, hardware cost hopefully minimal and easy to build, plans free and documented)

You're overthinking this. Genetic algorithms? Hundreds of papers on neuroscience get published every year; trawl 'em. I suppose if you wanted to create a million novel fields you could try that appraoch, but for the first 95% of the work, you can rely on existing research to give you your numbers and targets. As to my forthcomingness, I'm risking a substantial lawsuit and blacklisting being here, and when I can, I'll post more detail. More than that, I cannot promise.

From there, anything is possible: transcendental states, direct emotion control, instant trip (perhaps custom imitations of LSD, DMT, ketamine states, etc)... lots of fun!!!

Yep.

Sine, if you had any sense of adventure, you would leak your research (if it even does exist) (with the internet this is MORE than easy) instead of protecting yourself from NDA's. I can only hope to never be plagued by such a fear-guided scientific attitude. But I am grateful for what you have discussed anyway.

I'm glad you appreciate the thread. If you don't believe me, that's your business; I haven't been forthcoming, but anyone who knows what they're talking about can determine if I'm legit for themselves. Let us take a Gnostic approach, eh? I require no faith. I also recognize its very easy to tell someone else they should break the law and violate business agreements. Let me tell you a story, drAdrenokrome:

I happen to know one of the inventors of the industrial diamond creation process. Early on, his partner claimed to have figured out how to make gem-quality product; not so hard to believe really, since diamond is terrestrially abundant and a simple molecular crystal. Then his partner decided to leak the info, stepping outside of contract. Shortly thereafter, he "committed suicide" (David Kelly style)...and his unleaked research went into the vault. My friend maintains to this day that DeBoers offed him to protect their interests. Despite the "auto-that-ran-on-water" undertones of the story, his conviction is sufficient that I've always believed him...

What does this have to do with me, you ask? Let me lay it out: mince words all we want, my research is Mind Control Technology. Without sounding like a cheap Chris Carter script, some of the things that scared me off to begin with were the unethical directions were going, and questions about where exactly the money and interest were coming from. So, while I appreciate your criticism of my position, you aren't in my shoes. I think I'll handle this my way.

What would be helpful are signal specifications: power, frequency, etc, so that effort isnt WASTED on rediscovering all this. If someone is persistent enough, it will happen though (hopefully).

If you had a sense of adventure, you would be overjoyed with the opportunity to explore and break this ground for yourself instead of bitching that I won't break the law so you can piggyback on my work (if it even does exist). That said...

Along with sifting through my old data to assemble a 'experience transcript' for 'lithers, I have been putting together a lump of links for people to check out with various patents, papers, articles and so forth. It'll be a while yet, since I can't (sadly) write for Barbelith full-time, but when it arrives it should give plenty to chew.

Thanks.

Anytime. Hope upcoming posts are useful to you.
 
 
HighkoNoise
00:55 / 18.04.04
Sine, thanks for setting me straight. i am familiar with people being killed for sensitive information, but i had no idea you might be *that* deep. kinda cool actually.

Can you comment on the effects/possibility of creating special scalar-potential fields (ala Bearden's research) inside the brain, as opposed to standard EM fields? Bearden claims scalar fields are more than capable of mind-altering effects:

http://www.prahlad.org/pub/bearden/Psychoenergetics.htm

How do both these field approaches compare?
 
 
grant
03:11 / 18.04.04
DeBoers offed him to protect their interests

Off-topic, but it's DeBeers, and from what I've read, they're fully capable of doing that. I have some family friends who, like quite a few well-off white South Africans, have done a little diamond smuggling. Mainly because of the weirdness of the laws -- which are that way because of DeBeers.

My curiosity is more about coil construction, but I imagine that kind of hardware stuff is equally if not more under wraps.

I'm also curious if one of the contracting parties in this research was DARPA or a related organization, but can understand if that's off-limits too.

And this: but I have a strong intuitive bent (even stronger post-machine).

is sexy as hell.
 
 
gravitybitch
04:56 / 18.04.04
grant is so right...

I've been contemplating plunking down some money for a new book called "Radiant Cool" which deals on a fictional basis with some of the philosophies attempting to explain consciousness, transcranial stimulation, and all sorts of weird and clandestine things (but I rarely buy hardcover books anymore).

Have you seen it? Care to comment??
 
 
gravitybitch
05:03 / 18.04.04
Meanwhile, grant, if you're interested I can cozy up to the research folks involved in MRI studies - some of them have been winding custom coils for looking at things like localized muscle metabolism (depending on what signal you're looking at and how you look at it, you can do things like monitor the changes in levels of inorganic phosphate [one end product of a cell burning ATP] in a very small volume of tissue). I don't know if any of them have given any thought to this sort of research, but it might be worth a few questions....
 
 
Teflonrat
21:28 / 19.04.04
Is there a device that works in the other direction?
Would someone be able to quantize levels throughout the brain during specific events?
Would this data be specific to individual tested, or could it be 'recorded' and played back for others?
Is anyone doing research on the area of the brain attributed to motor function?

Please pardon my bluntness. Greetings all.
 
 
grant
21:44 / 19.04.04
Meanwhile, grant, if you're interested I can cozy up to the research folks involved in MRI studies - some of them have been winding custom coils

Yes, please.
 
 
sine
22:18 / 19.04.04
Is there a device that works in the other direction?
Would someone be able to quantize levels throughout the brain during specific events? Would this data be specific to individual tested, or could it be 'recorded' and played back for others?


Loosely, yeah. Much of my later work was based on the results that have become available since the advent of high-rez MRI and 3-D imaging software; ditto for other researchers in the field. Things aren't quite at the 'record/playback' stage; no memory-tapes-ala-Strange-Days yet (not in my lab anyway)... too much variation in individual brain structure and not quite enough precision in field focus. However, even the comparatively crude chamber at Laurentian can get significicant replication rates for different types of experience, so things are coming along.

By the by, my next lengthy post is about half-done. Barring any unforeseen and catastrophic event, and given half a chance to work on it while I'm on the job, it should be up this weekend.

Oh, and:
And this: but I have a strong intuitive bent (even stronger post-machine). is sexy as hell.

I can talk about.
 
 
sine
22:27 / 19.04.04
I hadn't heard of "Radiant Cool" iszabelle, but it sounds interesting...at least on a storytelling level. The cogsci theory sounds as though it might be a tad threadbare (and any more than that shall be said in 'Books'). Let me know, if you buy it, what you think. And, if you're talking to MRI folks, I'd also be interested in tossing out a couple of questions about their work: "how narrow can they get their focus?" would be foremost among them.
 
 
gravitybitch
01:46 / 20.04.04
Grrr.... The guy I most wanted to talk to is gone for greener hills, so I need to make a new set of friends.

As far as the resolution goes, I don't know... This is not my area of expertise, and the work I was doing in the MRI unit is about 8 years ago so my memories are a little vague. I do remember a custom coil about an inch in diameter, designed to look at damaged heart muscle (and the wall of the heart where the coil was going wasn't more than about a centimeter thick).
 
 
HighkoNoise
16:46 / 20.04.04
izabelle: i can talk to some MRI people, what should i ask them for you?
 
 
grant
16:52 / 20.04.04
sine: OK, I'm biting.

You have a stronger intuitive bent now?

How'd that happen? Why do you think that works?

Do you think it can work the opposite way?
 
 
sine
22:09 / 22.04.04
sine: OK, I'm biting.

Sorry, Grant, didn't mean to seem a tease; I've just been so busy between invigilating exams and marking them I haven't really had time to assemble a proper post. Figured I would elaborate in my next lengthy installment, but I can cover it in short here.

You have a stronger intuitive bent now?

Absolutely. My hunches are now, in both my own and other opinions, more often accurate, frequently to an eerie-and-difficult-to-conventionally-explain degree (what I like to call the "Gee-Whiz" factor.). My girlfriend at the time I began the testing, a hardline materialist atheist to the core, was utterly spooked by the change, to the point of irrational handwaving.

How'd that happen? Why do you think that works?

Well: taken with the large grain of bad-science salt that says this is at best only correlated, not causal, and even then only anecdotally, I have a few ideas...

One idea for this sort of thing goes: increased and novel transhemispheric electrical activity stimulates massive growth of transhemispheric information pathways. Basically, the machine hardwires your left and right brain together, thus allowing better access to natural intuition. As I said upthread, Micheal and I talked through similar ideas of deep integration to explain the high instance of coincidence reports among test subjects. However, I reject that here for the same reason I ultimately rejected it there. I simply do not feel that "deep integration" is sufficient to explain the more outre examples where intuition and coincidence shade into extrasensory perception and synchronicity, and in my experience, they are common enough to be considered more than discardable outliers.

My intuition wasn't the only thing I believe was affected by the process. Things I consider related to intuition, such as synchronicity and other weirdnesses also became much more common. For example, early on in testing I had what I would call my first precognitive dream, in stunning clarity with multiple witnesses. Shortly thereafter, I experienced an absurd week-long run of catastrophic machine failures: video tapes erasing when I handled them, light bulbs blowing, electronics refusing to function and so on. During the same period were a series of instances of me appearing as what FWH Myers would have called a "phantom of the living", where I was seen to be present in places at times I remember being elsewhere, or seen in two places at one time. This sort of "general weirdness" was relatively common during my early, high-exposure period, and isn't, I believe, well explained by "deep integrations" (if well explained at all).

Now, such extreme events were not generally among common reports, though temporarily increased "intuitiveness" and high coincidence reports were. As to why my experience should have been so much more pronounced, I can only say that it may have been due to my extremely high levels of exposure. Barring any related research I am unaware of, I have very likely spent more time exposed to these signals than anyone else, ever, and that solely on the basis of my early use of myself as a guinea pig. I have continued to use the device periodically for years since and have little doubt I hold some sort of neuromagnetic record.

A number of years ago I had an idea about weirdness perhaps being attributable to some relationship between siddhis and the visionary state. My idea went something like: "what if siddhis aren't a side-effect of developing incredible powers of concentration, but are rather a side-effect of experiencing the state of the religious visionary?" If that were the case, then my process might be considered a kind of hotwired shortcut, by triggering the siddhic effects without the arduous filter of dedicated practice, but without the control that comes with meditation.

Again, I am firmly wearing my hat marked "Fringe Crank" here. This is not science.

The short answer is: I don't know why I have a stronger intuition, but I certainly seem to. S'good thing mysteries don't drive me barmy I suppose.

Do you think it can work the opposite way?

I'm not sure what you mean. Are you asking if I think it could decrease one's intuition?
 
 
grant
00:37 / 24.04.04
Helping my better half write a paper about therapeutic modalities for schizophrenia, and this technology came up.

Found a lovely TMS resource page. It's a couple years old, but has good links in it. Like, remember to play safe, kids.

Apparently, they're using rTMS to treat children with ADHD in England, but the machinery is, to quote the better half, really expensive. The hardware involves using neurofeedback-style relaxation techniques to control a video game with the power of thought, basically. The magnetic stimulation/sensors (don't ask me, I didn't go to this conference) won't work unless the kid relaxes his brain.
 
 
grant
00:56 / 24.04.04
sine:
Sorry, Grant, didn't mean to seem a tease

Heheh. Oh, STOP!

Heheheh.

During the same period were a series of instances of me appearing as what FWH Myers would have called a "phantom of the living", where I was seen to be present in places at times I remember being elsewhere, or seen in two places at one time.

In Catholicism, we call that "bi-location." It's one of the miracles attributed to Blessed Padre Pio.

Just so you know, it's not just the bodhisattvas who have all the fun.


Do you think it can work the opposite way?

I'm not sure what you mean. Are you asking if I think it could decrease one's intuition?


Yeah. What goes up, must come down, that sort of thing. If it's the stimulation causing some kind of interconnectivity between hemispheres, then probably not. But if it has to do with growing specific targeted brain regions, then maybe it would.

I'm also curious about rTMS causing seizures... and how to avoid that.
 
 
A fall of geckos
14:37 / 24.04.04
Hi everyone.

Although this thread is specifically geared towards Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation, I thought people might be interested in both the content and methodology of the Open EEG group:

http://openeeg.sourceforge.net/doc/index.html

I was pointed in their directing some time back when I became interested in machines that modulate brainwaves via sound and lights. It's basically a mailing list of people interested in designing plans and software for EEG devices available under the GPL/GNU. The EEG device is (for the most part) being designed with the intention of using it for biofeedback.

The people running Open EEG seem to have a disparate range of interests and backgrounds - which has made for an interesting working group. The different agendas (hippies, software developers, electronics engineers etc) have given the project input from a number of differing viewpoints. The open source nature of the project has proved especially effective in creating the basis of what appears to be an excellent brain-change device.
 
 
HighkoNoise
18:53 / 27.04.04
http://www.elfis.net/elfol8/e8elfeeg2.htm

this page discusses the possibility of using portable low frequency EM generators to influence people's moods in close proximity
 
 
sine
05:05 / 28.04.04
this page discusses the possibility of using portable low frequency EM generators to influence people's moods in close proximity

During the 1970's US/Soviet scientific exchanges, the Russians were reported to have brought a device called LIDA to the table. Two-decades-old-vacuum-tube tech (shades of the classic MIG analysis anecdote...I can just hear the Americans snickering), it was reputed to entrance a caged cat at a distance through the use of ELF-EMF.

For other creepy (but purely anecdotal) material in this Nazi-era and early Cold War tech vein, run a search for "feraliminal lycanthropizer".

My post has been delayed until I'm finished marking exams, but I haven't forgotten. Hopefully this weekend.
 
 
HighkoNoise
15:05 / 30.04.04
http://www.freezone.de/english/mc/e_conv01.htm <-- m0ntauk mind control experiments
 
 
macrophage
16:37 / 30.04.04
I don't know if I trust the validity of alot of the Montauk "victims" - I would say it's a bit FUBAR'd (Fucked Up Beyond All Recognition), since the main deprogrammer wanks his clients off to them telling tales of interdimensional mind-control. He claims it's backed up in a twisted Reichian Therapy - I smell a Rat me thinks. Same as Monarch too expansive too far-fetched. Never trust so-called deprogrammers they always have a sneaky agenda. I think alot of the Monarch stuff around operates as an effective curse on alot of prominent peoples. Whilst at the same time the arena of Conspiracy Theories grinds on with its inbuilt redneckness, I know I have smelled it.
 
 
eco
22:24 / 30.04.04
Fascinating stuff! I understand that adepts of the Western Mystery Schools use voice vibrations to stimulate the pineal, perhaps emulating some of the effects mentioned. Sound vibrations (at around 110KHz if I remember correctly) have the fascinating ability to be transmitted over vast distances in some of the supposedly druidic granges found in the UK. I wonder what the relationship is between sound and the bodies own magnetic fields?

The Egyptians may have been the first to understand the link between the pineal and the sun in the production of melatonin. Of course the sun flips its magnetic field at the height of every 11 year sunspot cycle. But I don't know if it makes any sound at all... Next flip is due around the winter solstice in 2012 when the ancient Mayans have us pencilled in for the final goodbye.

Oblation? I had to look that one up in the dictionary. I personally believe we are all aspects of some Divine presence that makes up the Universe. Kind of like the law of conservation of energy extended beyond our 4D existence. Therefore I believe that these methods are indeed an oblation.... to our individual material selves first and foremost and then to our mutually holistic existence as we start to understand our place in the evolving mirror of existence. Gosh, I hope those Mayans were wrong...
 
 
gravitybitch
05:54 / 01.05.04
I just reread this from start to finish, and the question that springs to mind is whether or not someone who has a working relationship with a particular entity would have an experience with that entity while undergoing magnetic stimulation, or if the person would meet up with "generic" entities?

Whaddya all think, and where can we sign up to find out??
 
 
the cat's iao
07:16 / 01.05.04
yeah, i was thinking about basicaly the same thing as iszabelle the other day. do people with different backgrounds in culture and religion experience different sorts of phenomena or is it, as isz asks abaove, "generic"? did you investigate this in your research sine?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
20:52 / 05.05.04
I'd be curious to find out more about that as well--there are well-documented similarities between supposed "demon" and "alien" encounters; also some discussion as to whether the fact that these similar experiences are reported as "aliens" by one individual and as "demons" by another could be accounted for by cultural bias.

My own (spontaneous) experiences have tended to be euphoric rather than fearful or distressing. Perhaps this has something to do with other areas of the brain being involved? I'm a little sketchy on this, but isn't there a physical region of the brain associated with happiness? Or perhaps a "fear" region which is somehow suppressed during the seizure?

Another explanation might be that I'm fairly well accustomed to odd goings-on in generally, and am more likely to percive them as neutral or positive than someone with no similar prior experiences.
 
 
Nalvage
13:12 / 22.08.04
Since this is one of the most interesting threads I'd seen on Barbelith for a while I thought I'd drag it back out into the light. Sine mentioned that he'd be adding another large post on the subject but it doesn't seem to have appeared. You still out there, Sine?
 
 
sine
22:08 / 22.08.04
Yeah, Nalvage, I am...just busy is all. I had exam marking and papers in spades when I wanted to do it before, and it just dropped down my priority list as the thread slipped farther down the board.

It also turned out to be a bigger task than I had anticipated. Even though research produced post-incorporation is off-limits, it turned out that my old personal files are substantial enough that stuff from them will interest people. When I have a spot of spare time before Labour Day I'll knock together some installments.

People here might also be interested in some experiments I ran in the spring combining my emite tech with some workings.

Long story short: I'll get to it soon. Thanks for the reminder.
 
  

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