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Bendis + Maleev + Daredevil - Too Many Exclamation Points = Best?

 
  

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Yotsuba & Benjamin!
19:59 / 26.02.04
So, check this confluence of events.

The other day I realized that the Daredevil movie is now in HBO On Demand so I can now see it, pretty much, for free. I do, wading through its barely better (but, yes, better) than X2 suckiness, and remember how outrageously good Bendis and Maleev's run on DD is/was. I cull together all of my back issues in the first hardcover collection and prepare for a luscious re-read. The next day I go to the comics store and GUESS WHAT'S THERE. A brand spanking new Hardcover Collection of the NEXT volume of Bendis & Malcatraz's run. And guess who just reached their $20 credit at Midtown Comics? You guessed it! So, ten bucks later, I've got the two biggest chunks of the Bendeev run in glorious Marvel Hardcover.

So, now, I'm in full re-read mode and it is occurring to me. This is just a staggeringly fantastic acheivement. The only, ONLY, fault I've got with it is Bendis' propensity for, for some reason, littering dialogue and internal monologue with extra (as in more than one) exclamation points, question marks, or a combination of the two.

Why would you possibly have to do that in a medium that allows you to

a) Increase the size of your words at will
b) Italicize your words at will
c) Embolden your words at will

???!!!??!?

Also, I vote for black bars to replace those hackneyed &*%$ versions of swear words. So weak.

Anyway. On to the good stuff.

Holy Jesus Of The Multiplex is Maleev fantastic. I love the way his lines become a bit slimmer in the second volume (starting with Lowlife, after the Trial Of The Century hiatus) and the detail explodes off the page. He just so nails the varying looks on faces that is so critical to making Bendis' writing work to its fullest potential. Speaking of which.

Bendis wins the Best Rendition Of Living With A Disability In The Marvel Universe with the awesomely touching moment when DD saves Milla (the first time), pitching her through a plate glass window in the process. After removing a shard of glass from her shoulder, he says, "Again, sorry for the jarring interruption of your day."

On 23rd street, between a great Mac store I frequent and the best Belgian Hot Dogs in America, is a Center For The Blind, thus, you see blind people walking between that Center and the subway all the time. One quickly realizes that the key to them making it through any day in Manhattan is the routine of it, knowing how far it is from the station to the Center, the intersections, et al. Matt apologizing for that to Milla, for something that he so inherently understands (Radar or not he still can not, as one brilliant scene in the book attests to, tell what color your shirt is), is just a fucking masterstroke of dialogue and situational construction. As dar as Matt goes through the course of these volumes, as many teeth he kicks in and cars he overturns, that one moment illustrates just what a genuinely good-hearted guy he is. And that's why it's no wonder that Milla falls so helplessly (and a bit recklessly) for him.

That's also another thing Bendis handles so well, Matt, but most especially Milla's blindness. Maleev, naturally, seals the deal, by expressing just how freaked out sitting in a cop car while this guy she really likes is being arrested, is for Milla. While Matt knows exactly where she is and what's going on, there's this fantastic panel of Milla, hand pressed against the back window of the cop car, just completely lost and heartbroken.

Plot-wise, its also immaculately constructed, and it would really have to be to make all of Bendis' temporal shifting work at all.

It kind of makes me feel like I have to give The Sopranos a bit more of a fair shake, as I've never watched too much of it. But damn this book gives me severe hunger for well crafted and executed crime narratives.

As far as those go, this is one of the best.
 
 
CameronStewart
20:14 / 26.02.04
Anyone who thinks the Daredevil film is better than X2 has absolutely zero credibility.

Sorry.

 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
21:06 / 26.02.04
Barely. They're both garbage, but at least the DD movie sticks to its inherent premise, as opposed to X2's laughable disregard for the underpinnings of the X-Men mythos that had pretty much been shelved anyway the second Magneto's origin ended in the first film.

Isn't the Daredevil book so freakin' good?
 
 
panthergod
21:06 / 26.02.04
^^

co-signed.

X2 was excellent.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
21:09 / 26.02.04
Wow. A thread-rot record?
 
 
Bed Head
21:39 / 26.02.04
Yes. Indeed. Finally, some kind soul on Barbelith does what I’ve tried to do several times already, ie start a thread on the best comic being published right now. You know when you like something too much, you suddenly can’t say anything other than ‘Yes! this rocks!’ over and over? Not that this happens very often, but when it does it’s surely the most frustrating thing in the world, finding you’re only able to talk coherently about comics you don’t much like.

I almost got the words out in the Warren Ellis thread, because in my head the Bendis/Maleev Daredevil is a perfect example of why comics is a ‘better’ medium than films. The only difference I have with BB is that I won’t read the trades. Don’t like trades, full stop. I’m very attached to the slow burn of waiting all month for an installment, the thrill you get when you’re given a story in short bursts over a period of years. If it's done well.

So anyway, yeah, there’s a bit in the ‘Hardcore’ storyline that shows how good this is when it works. When Daredevil goes absolutely apeshit in issue 49, and knocks seven bells out of Bullseye, he’s literally been fighting for months on end. It’s not just a comic-book superhero fight - I mean, yes, it’s that, but it’s also the accumulated frustration of having to punch out goon after goon that the Kingpin’s been sending after him. He’s tired, his knuckles really hurt, he’s absolutely furious that his girl’s been scared so bad. It's been going on so long. When the FBI show up they’re so gawky, and he’s so impatient with them. I love the last page of 49, where Milla’s smiling this huge smile of gratitude and relief at still being alive, at her boyfriend, this superhero having saved her, and Maleev cuts to Matt’s face, and he’s just silently seething with all this rage he’s holding in. Both their faces show exactly what they’re feeling, but neither can see the other.

What else? Sadly, I agree with everything BB has said. Great art. Fab structure. Blindness done well. Touching relationship stuff. Fantastic fucking comic.

Oh, and Luke Cage being an uptight, self-righteous arse. Or rather, him and Matt both being completely inflexible about their principles. I like their arguments, they just can’t bring themselves to agree, even though they're trying.



I haven’t actually seen X2, by the way. I was almost driven insane by the complete and utter uselessness of the Daredevil film, so I swore off watching Superhero films forever more. They never translate well, I’ve finally given up hoping they ever will.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
01:26 / 27.02.04
It's actually less about the collected work and more about the oversized package. I don't usually get trades of books I have individual issues of. I too thrill to the nail-bitingly unbearable excitement of the 30 day.

And thanks for pointing out the extra super poignancy of 49. For some reason I'd totally missed that obvious and yet ever so subtle point.

I love Matt's relationship with every Super Hero in the book. I think Bendis does his best work with the rest of the Marvel Universe when they're just walk ons on otherwise Single Hero related books. His team books (U Six, U X-Men) just always seem to burst into flames.
 
 
Krug
01:44 / 27.02.04
About the "IT ROCKS IT ROCKS" echoes, yeah I completely agree.

Bendis' DD does rock.

I've been keeping up with it every month and was waiting for the second hardcover to come along. Happy to hear it's out.

You both remind of some memorable moments. On the top of my head the scene where Vanessa shoots Richard was haunting.

And yes, both films are right up there in the five worst I've seen. Can't pick one over the other but DD made me laugh with it's hopelessly fucked plot and characterisation. X2 was just difficult to sit through.
 
 
CameronStewart
04:44 / 27.02.04
At the risk of rotting the thread any further - I honestly can't believe the negative reaction to X2! I love it from beginning to end, and would rank it as my favourite comic book movie...

Ah well, each to his own.
 
 
Bed Head
11:54 / 27.02.04
Ah well, each to his own.

Cam. Seriously. What do you think of the Bendis/Maleev Daredevil? Your opinion would be, as ever, a valued and interesting insight. He artwork’s so very different from yours. To be honest, I normally have difficulties with art that’s so utterly dependant on photo-reference, I avoided this title for so long for this reason alone, but Maleev’s judgement seems so consistently perfect, all I can now do is gawp and admire the skill.

I love Matt's relationship with every Super Hero in the book

God yes. The meeting-in-the-park in issue 56 must be one of my favourite scenes in any comic for months. Five superheroes meet up in Washington Square Park (I think) for a pow-wow, a ludicrous attempt at leaning on Daredevil while trying not to piss him off, they actually need to come in a group because even they’re wary of him. Yet, none of them can even articulate the problem, let alone the solution. Spiderman’s attempt at humour is the most awkward misjudgement, he’s instantly embarrassed by it. Maybe he can’t do the Spidey-wisecracks because he’s not wearing the mask, but that doesn’t matter to Matt, does it? Dr Strange doesn’t even get half a line of his usual Doctor Strange spook-talk out before he’s cut short. Loads of stuff to be said about the relationships in this scene, but what’s the point? If you’re reading it, you *know* how good it was.

On the film thing. If it’s a film, it’s the French Connection, it’s *that* far from Superhero films. Where superheroes meeting undercover means wearing normal clothes in a public park in bright dappled sunlight. Where chasing after someone, running as fast as you possibly can for more than a few blocks starts to really fucking hurt after a while. Where there’s a sense of swimming against the tide to actually get anything done at all, although time still gallops by as fast as ever. It’s really skillfully d-...Gah, sorry, it rocks. And I’m not a Bendis fanboy, I don’t pick up any other Bendis titles at all. This one just rings my bell. Every 30 days, without fail.



(Also. BB: you want a black bar to replace the #$%?! swear words, I find a felt-tip pen does the job perfectly well. What? You’re not actually planning on re-selling your comics, are you? Show them no mercy!)
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
12:08 / 27.02.04
That's a great fucking idea, what with the felt tip pen. Because I swear to god those are the most disruptive things ever.

More awesome in a bit.
 
 
FinderWolf
14:27 / 27.02.04
I do love Bendis & Maleev's DD. A perfect mix of writer & artist. I will not comment on the DD movie or X2, since this thread is about Bendis & Maleev's DD. Sure, Bendis & Maleev's DD is not always perfect and has its occasional weak points, but overall, it's fantastic, unique, and tries to do some daring things with the character.
 
 
CameronStewart
14:29 / 27.02.04
>>>Cam. Seriously. What do you think of the Bendis/Maleev Daredevil? Your opinion would be, as ever, a valued and interesting insight.<<<

Well, I appreciate that.

To be perfectly honest I haven't read any of Bendis/Maleev's DD so I can't offer any kind of valid commentary. I will say that from what I've seen, Maleev's artwork is, alas, Not My Thing, and this line:

Where superheroes meeting undercover means wearing normal clothes in a public park in bright dappled sunlight

doesn't really make me want to read it. More and more these days I mourn the loss of the "super" in "superhero" - the ever increasing trend of focusing on the mundane aspects of these characters and their world is of no interest to me. Spider-Man's Aunt May at the psychiatrist for 22 pages, month after month of Bruce Banner wandering around and not Hulking out, the Fantastic Four dealing with the horrors of eviction and homelessness, a police procedural serial about the police force in Gotham...the systematic stripping away of everything wondrous and exciting about these characters is an admittedly popular but, in my mind, utterly boring approach to these characters. I'd really honestly much rather go back and read Lee and Kirby, where excitement, imagination and relentless creative energy burst off every page.

This is the kind of thing that Grant and I are aiming for in Seaguy (obligatory plug) - a superhero comic that's outrageous and imaginative and hopefully a lot of fun for the reader, and not at all trying to be "realistic."

This is not any kind of slam on any of the artists or writers involved in these books, talented people all - I just don't have much interest in seeing DC and Marvel superheroes through their lens. I hope that I can read something of their own creation someday that is more befitting of their approach.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
14:55 / 27.02.04
It's weird because the first time I felt the trend coming on, of treating of superheroes like regular folks, writing them like real people, was in Grant's JLA.

I definitely feel what you're saying though about the literal demystification of the superhero, but I think Daredevil never really fit into that genre anyway. He always seemed so out of place in an Infinity Gauntlet type scenario.

Grant is also expert at sprinkling the wide-eyed greatness with fantastic moments of super-heroics, as in 1,2,3,4. I'm definitely behind you for the most part and it really seems like Bendis learned his lessons and made Ultimate Fantastic Four a book that kids would actually be interested, as opposed to Ultimate Spider-Man which, while ostensibly featuring a teenager, is definitely aimed at someone who doesn't mind sitting through Aunt May's therapy session, i.e. your Sopranos type watcher? Who knows.

I think there are places where the approach fails miserably, and there are places where the great stories that can be told are told. I happen to really dig Gotham Central because its not really a shoehorned idea. What do cops do about nutjobs like Firebug?

It makes the Super, frankly, more Super by fleshing out the entire world around them. That's what Marvel's been all about, though, since Stan and Jack made Ben and Johnny the most irascible grumps around. They opened the floodgates to these sorts of questions. Well, if we pretend that these are/were regular people living in Manhattan then what about all the other things regular people have to deal with?

Granted, a balance is necessary, see the failure of the Hulk for more details. I also don't particularly like 4 (although the art is stunning) because it's so "OMFG, LOOK AT HOW WEIRD IT IS FOR SUPER-HEROES TO DEAL WITH REAL LIFE!"
 
 
TroyJ15
15:08 / 27.02.04
Agreed. DD by Bendis and Mallev is laways fun to read, one of the better books out there, it's scary how on the money Bendis is with alot of his characters...

Ultimate Spider-Man is Spider-Man. Nothing they are doing in the regular continuity is as on the money as this.

Daredevil is the right tone and Bendis' depiction of Matt Murdock, being this tough-as-nails, I'm-sick-of your-shit, "my life is always going to be a circus"-type of superhero is the perfect pitch.

Even his supporting characters are better written than normal...

Luke Cage is no longer a blackploitation joke.

J. Jonah Jameson is hilariously an asshole.

The book of his i'm not keen on his his Ultimate X-Men, it just seems like he aint really into it. It's better than Millar's depiction of everyone on the team having Wolverine's attitude, but it's just kinda "eh."

On the subject of demystifying superheroes, I'm sorry Stewart, but Icompletely disagree. You site Stan Lee and JAck Kirby, but they were the ones who really started this trend. Why do you think it's become the norm over the last 20-30 years to get inside these character's heads. Because you've got a generation of writers and artists that were inspired by Ditko/Lee/Kirby's mind-set. The fact that these characters have powers and can right wrongs and stick to their promise to defend innocence and fight the good fight, makes them "super" enough, in my book. So why not examine their lives much more closely. I dont watch Sopranos but I sure as hell enjoyed understanding Aunt May's take on things with her psychiatrist in Ult Spidey.

...oh yeah! X2 rocked, second best to the original SuperMan in my book. You are certifiably insane! You're right about the Daredevil movie though. It's not as bad as people made it out to be, just okay.
 
 
Spaniel
12:49 / 28.02.04
Daredevil is shit - the movie, that is. X2, however, is brill.

Now onto DD (the comic book). As I've said elsewhere, Maleev's art suffers from a static quality that I find quite off putting. That said, I buy DD every month and usually like what I get.

Whilst I take Cameron's point - I'd like to see a little more super in superheroland (Green Arrow without trick arrows? Please to fuck off) - I think Bendis has done a good job integrating the fantastical into a gritty, 'realistic' book. I mean, DD actually gets to fight super-villains with, you know, powers, not just guns for hands or well developed pugilistic skills. This is a book where Doctor Strange guest stars, and Typhoid Mary catches bullets on her sword. Bendis is perhaps the only writer working in comics who doesn't feel that crazy ideas are at odds with realism - and I like the fella for it.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
13:23 / 28.02.04
I think it was necessary for super-heroes to be de-mystified in the late 80's in responce to just how far to the fantasy element they had gone, to the point where they were no longer able to have discernable personalities and the "super-heroes with problems" had become a parody of itself. For a good example of this, look at the train wreck that was Secret Wars II and then realize that MOST Marvel books read like that at the time.

Then, in the 90's, a lot of writers tried to bring back the sense of wonder, but it got trumped by the overblown Image style of all flash and no real substance.

Now, Marvel (at least to my eye) is trying to have the best of both worlds. If you don't like the grim and gritty FF in Marvel Knights, you've got Mark Waid's version, and it seems that they will do that for some books if there are creative teams that can handle it.

Daredevil (to get back on topic) had a "return to its roots" run before it was canceled where Karl Kessel wrote the comic like the humor sitcom it was under Stan Lee, and while I liked it, sales indicate I am about the only one. Bendis has taken the book back to it's only real sales peak and is doing the Frank Miller Daredevil better than Miller did. The art fits the writing and I have to admit that I am shocked that an artist like Maleev on a book that sells in the top 20 is one of those things that makes me happy.

Bendis is the master of taking the stale plot twist and giving it an all new spin, surprising me as I read each issue. It's also kind of amazing that he writes as many books as he does and they are all as good as they are. Look at the other writers who, at their peak, wrote four or five books a month and how painfully formaulaic they were (Chuck Dixon, I'm talking to YOU). I'm not a big fan of David Mack's stuff on the series, but I'm glad that Marvel is taking chances on this.
 
 
Spaniel
13:54 / 28.02.04
Ya see, I gotta disagree on the Miller issue.
Born Again (the best of his run) is, imo, a truly iconic, terrific read. Miller understood that, when it comes to narrative, oldies are still goodies, and it sure don't get more traditional (not to mention immediate and entertaining) than one man's fall and subsequent rise against all the odds. Add to that a bucketload of thoughtful, innovative and beautiful art, some fabulous execution and, well, to my mind you've got one of the greatest superhero books ever on your hands. Bendis is good, but he ain't a patch on Frank Miller at his best.

If any of you haven't read it, get out there and buy a copy, right fucking now. Sagoodtime.
 
 
The Falcon
16:58 / 28.02.04
Have youse seen the newest DD cover?

It is so fucking good. Bendis is that good, also.

More later, when I'm not awa' for a train.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
18:20 / 29.02.04
In general, I love the Bendis/Maleev Daredevil, but can I just ask one question about the latest couple of issues: why has Urich spent all this time telling Milla a story she already knows, and referred to her in the third person at least once? Tsk...
 
 
spacemonkey
19:01 / 29.02.04
Urich was talking to two people: Milla and you, the comic book reader!

Seriousness aside, +1 to the nod to Born Again. Still my all-time favorite Daredevil story.
 
 
Krug
03:04 / 01.03.04
I think the quality of Miller's run doesn't quite stand up as well as it did when it was coming out. I've also read Born Again with high expectations and left the book without any serious impressions. Miller, I'm sorry, can't write for shit and with the exception of Year One, all his stories that I've read aren't really that well written.

I think everybody's a bit on the nostalgic side here when it comes to those old DD stories. I could be wrong for all I know but that's my two bits. I don't think the writing in those stories is really in the same league as Bendis' DD.
 
 
FinderWolf
13:33 / 01.03.04
Flyboy, I wondered the same thing.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
18:25 / 01.03.04
Yeah, I was going through Love And War and, really, Miller's rep tends to write checks his work can't always cash. It's very 80's writing. Lean, economical, basically getting out of the artists' way (which was fundamental to the Marvel Method and, when your working with Sienkewitch [sp: yeah right], your best bet). Bendis and Maleev create a much more balanced partnership which is equal parts story construction and platinum dialogue.

Dark Knight Returns is so good because it's the perfect engine for that kind of storytelling. Daredevil, not as much.

What Bendis brings to it is a higher level of intelligence to contrast Matt's thuggery when in costume. That's what makes the conflict throughout his so palpably, because Bendis writes Matt as such multidimensional character. When rage drives all that away, it's incredibly affecting.
 
 
NezZ the 2nd
18:50 / 01.03.04
I have not touched the DD run by bendis and co, so is it highly recommended? plus name a good starting point trade wise.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
18:59 / 01.03.04
Underboss is the name of the first trade. And yes, it's as good as it gets. I especially like the way Bendis isn't afraid to make Matt Murdoch do or say extremely questionable things - and I mean actually questionable, rather than "obviously wrong which the writer is heavily telegraphing the wrongness of and for which he will make the character suffer the consequences later". His dinner with the Kingpin's wife remains one of my favourite scenes in the comic to date. That and Matt fucking up royally by getting too smug with the newspaper publisher, so that the guy changes his mind just after they've agreed a deal...

Y'know, I completely share Cameron's concerns regarding a general trend of people just sitting around chatting in superhero comics, but when it works this well, I have to give it props.
 
 
Spaniel
19:14 / 01.03.04
Well, I for one don't view BG through four-colour tinted goggles, I just happen to think it's the fucking shit. In fact - and I realise this isn't an argument - I find it utterly incredible that anyone could even entertain the idea that Bendis out Miller's Miller.

Where others see laissez-faire story-telling (is there such a thing?),I see a writer who understands that simplicity and economy can be virtues. I see a writer unafraid (a coke-head egomaniac, no less) to let his very talented artist bring his shit-load of talent to the party.

Just my two penneth.

I'm sure the rest of you disagree.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
19:45 / 01.03.04
No, I can't speak for the rest of Miller's Daredevil run, but Born Again is one of the best things I've EVER read in the medium - better than any Batman story plus loads of other more critically acclaimed stuff.
 
 
Spaniel
18:26 / 03.03.04
I vacillate between Dark Knight and Born Again.

Back on the Bendis. So then, narrative considerations aside, anyone want Bullseye to put up more of a fight? That ish robbed the character of a whole heap of gravitas. Bit like Batman just decking the joker...

...the end.

The guy's pretty much DD's arch enemy, and arch enemies should be able to hold their ground.
 
 
sleazenation
19:39 / 03.03.04
I end up rating Batman: Year One more than Born Again (both of which i read as collections rather than as individual issues). The sad thing is, what it comes down to, for me, is the colouring and paper quality - the garish colour does not work and, for me, detracted from the excellent artwork and script. Of course, the fact that I read Year One first also probably has an impact.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
20:34 / 03.03.04
As a onepenneth I'd like to add that Elektra Assassin is one of the finest pieces of Daredevilish work ever. I rate it as highly as Born Again, if only for the sheer drive of the stream-of-consciousness narrative matched with the absolute manic perversity of Shenkeewitzes art. The whole thing is bizarro-80's coke fuelled fun. So there.
 
 
Krug
03:59 / 04.03.04
Gordon steals the show in Year One.

It's just not about Bruce Wayne finding if he has the balls to toilet-train gotham.

It's Gordon who makes the story exceptional.
 
 
houdini
14:18 / 04.03.04

I think Born Again is probably the greatest of these works. Matt's total disintegration, and subsequent ... erm, reintegration is just a fantastic arc and Miller handles it very well. Mazzucchelli's art is totally visceral, just brilliant.

In fact, that art saddened me the other day. I got the first Bendis trade from the store (the one with David Mack) and it was just awful, turgid, boring and trite. And right there, snug in the middle of it, were those Mazzucchelli panels swiped right outta Born Again. It just served to shine an even more unfavourable light on the rest of that comic.

If someone can convince me that the rest of Bendis's DD stuff is NOT like this, but instead more like the goodness of Alias, then I'd consider picking it up.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:29 / 04.03.04
houdini: I'm not a Bendis fan a good 75% of the time, and what I've read of the 'Wake Up' story/trade was not good. If it helps, he has said in interviews that the first story with Mack was his homage to 'Born Again', a way to get that out of his system before he went on tell his own Matt Murdoch story. His work with Maleev is the good stuff.
 
 
Spaniel
14:40 / 04.03.04
Give the rest a go, Hou, you'll probably like it a lot.

As for Blerd - Gordon and Bruce split the book 50/50.

Love, love, love Year One.
 
  

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