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Astonishing X-Men

 
  

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I'm Rick Jones, bitch
08:16 / 19.02.04


Well, those sure look like "new" costume designs to me. I miss Frank's take already - they should have kept it for Wolverine or Scott, it worked very well with those characters. Still, nevermind eh?
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
08:19 / 19.02.04
And who the fuck is that woman? S'not Jean, surely?
 
 
_Boboss
08:28 / 19.02.04
cyclops' outfit look cool. you can tell how old someone is by what clothes they put wolverine in - by eschewing the tan and maroon costume, whedon tells us that he is 'too' old.

looks okay though. glad to have a reason to buy an xmen comic still.
 
 
Isalie
09:46 / 19.02.04
>>And who the fuck is that woman?

Looks like she could be M.
She's always fun to have around.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
10:03 / 19.02.04
Ew! Cyclops costume has piping!!

Is this cassaday art? Why is it so lo-res?

Is M the woman who was a doctor, or something? They met her during onslaught? And iceman saved her life?

Isn't wolverine's brown/tan costume his original one?

What reason will they have for this change? Can it be misdirection?

Eh, I probably won't notice when I read it. Seems a little annoying (for marvel) to go back on all their promises of yore (if I remember rightly) but lets be honest, who thought they wouldn't?

Maybe they'll change them around the time of the next movie.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
13:09 / 19.02.04
And just like that, my hopes of ever being able to buy an officially licensed badass Quitely design X-Jacket have been snuffed out.

I don'treally mind the new Cyclops design, it's way better than the Jim Lee era look. And I guess with the Prof gone they're back to their olde costuming ways.

So, shall we start the captioning competition straight away?
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
13:30 / 19.02.04
I'm not 100% certain, but that is most likely Kitty Pryde. Remember her? She's a much more obvious (and important) character than M. Kitty's a great character for Joss, given his stengths.
 
 
CameronStewart
13:31 / 19.02.04
>>>Who the fuck is that woman?<<<

I think it's Kitty Pryde.

>>>Isn't Wolverine's brown/tan costume his original one?<<<

Nope, the yellow and blue goes back to his very first appearance, as a bad guy in The Incredible Hulk. The brown costume was a redesign.

>>>And just like that, my hopes of ever being able to buy an officially licensed badass Quitely design X-Jacket have been snuffed out.<<<

Actually, not true - at San Diego and WizardWorld Chicago last year there was a vendor selling Quitely X-Jackets. Not bad translations from page to fabric, either.

I'm really not sure you want to wear one for real, though...
 
 
houdini
13:31 / 19.02.04

Just 'cause I is dorky (and the other option is getting on with catching up the work I missed in the last 4 days):

Wolverine's original costume was yellow and blue with black slashes on it. He wore this in his first appearance, when he fought the Hulk and the Wendigo, and in his second, when he joined the X-Men.

He stuck with the yellow and blue costume (which was muy ugly) until the end of the Dark Phoenix saga. The famous (well, mildly so) John Byrne drawing of Wolverine in the sewer, lookin' all mean an' shit, is in the yellow & blue costume from right near the end of the Dark Phoenix story.

In between Dark Phoenix and Days of Futures Past was a 2-part story where Kitty Pryde joins the team (first use of the "Welcome to the X-Men, ___________. Hope you survive!" cover text). In the other half of the plot, Wolverine and Nightcrawler go up to Canada and get involved in a brouhaha with the Wendigo and some members of Alpha Flight. This was the first appearance of the maroon & tan costume. That was 1980.

Maroon & tan had its day right up until ca 1991 when the big '90's relaunch kicked in. (There were several, but for me the big one was when they launched "New" X-Men, X-Force and canned Claremont.) At that point, all of the costumes got hideous redesigns (no offense) and Wolvie was put back in a yellow & blue costume. Not quite the same, nor as ugly, as the one from the 1970's but still not my cuppa.

As someone used to point out on this site, the last couple years of the 1980's -- basically all the Paul Smith and JR Jr period -- the X-Men were largely out of costume anyway and just wore civillian clothing. That, combined with more mundane plots and a greater use of real-world locales, helped to ground the series. Of course, right after this we had Silvestri, the Outback period, Siege Perilous and a general spiral down into darkness.

Morrisson lifted X-Men out for a little time and made it something I was able to read without wincing and grinding my molars.

I fear there will not come another.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
13:37 / 19.02.04
I don't get the appeal of the baby-blue/lemon yellow Wolverine costume. It's so wrong for the character! At least the orange/brown one had a simple design and wasn't quite so garish.

I don't understand why they'd want to make the characters look less like their more popular film counterparts.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
14:16 / 19.02.04
Hmm, was wolverine's brown/tan costume meant to be his orignal alpha flight costume? I think that might be where I'm getting it from, that or the cartoon, maybe. Or I'm just making it up! I'm sure I remember that happening, though.

It's defintely better than the yellow one.

I hope it is Kitty, I've never really read anything with her in.

It does seem to be bad business sense to change them back now... I guess a lot of people recognise these as the comic costimes though. I dunno. I prefer it when they don't where any sort of costume, really.
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
14:31 / 19.02.04
I'd do really unwholesome things for a Quitely-esque X-Jacket. Yeah, geeky as hell, but it would be the thing to wear with my goggles while tooling about town on psychoactive substances. Or something.

Fuck me, I'm a geek.
 
 
CameronStewart
14:41 / 19.02.04
It's funny how my interest in X-Men has come full-circle - when I was a kid I never really bothered with them, it wasn't until the film, and Grant and Vince taking over the comic, that I sat up and paid attention. After E is for Extinction I went kind of X-men nuts for a while, incessantly doodling Quitely-Wolverine in my sketchbook...

...and now that the retarded costumes are back, I honestly can't give a shit again.
 
 
Tamayyurt
14:49 / 19.02.04
And Beast is naked again... this really sucks.
 
 
Quimper
14:52 / 19.02.04
Maybe it IS Jean. So is Astonishing just the continuation of New? Man alive!, i hope so.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
15:14 / 19.02.04
Nah, it's not Jean. Definitely not Jean.

Why does Emma have some kind of energy field around her hand? What's that about? I guess that COULD be Storm with a bad color job, but Storm is definitely in Uncanny X-Men.
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
15:25 / 19.02.04
You know, that COULD be Jean...
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
15:27 / 19.02.04
Does Emma normally have a cape? Or this is an older/changed/new costume thing?
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
15:29 / 19.02.04
I promise you that it isn't Jean. Jean's not going to be in ANY of the X-books. Take a hint.
 
 
Mr Tricks
15:50 / 19.02.04
Looks to me like Wolvie's Yellow/blue costume has been modified and looks more Blue(black)/yellow.

Beast seems to also be waring some Bicycle shorts

and I think it would be great if that was Kitty Pryde... when's this out?
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
17:06 / 19.02.04
Jean will, at the very least, be in Ultimate Flux.

And there's no reason to be so fucking rude about it, either.
 
 
Simplist
17:46 / 19.02.04
It's funny how my interest in X-Men has come full-circle - when I was a kid I never really bothered with them, it wasn't until the film, and Grant and Vince taking over the comic, that I sat up and paid attention. After E is for Extinction I went kind of X-men nuts for a while, incessantly doodling Quitely-Wolverine in my sketchbook...

...and now that the retarded costumes are back, I honestly can't give a shit again.


I was about to say more or less exactly the same thing (well, except for the bit about the sketchbook ). I'd gotten interested enough over the course of Morrison's run that I'd planned to pick up at least the first couple of issues of whatever the continuation title turned out to be, but seeing the cover killed that impulse dead. More money to spend elsewhere, I suppose.
 
 
osymandus
18:07 / 19.02.04
"Does Emma normally have a cape? Or this is an older/changed/new costume thing?"

Im sure thats supposed to be Storm ?
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
18:12 / 19.02.04
No, check the skin tone. That's Emma Frost. There's not even a hint of brown on her.

And it's already been established that Storm is in Uncanny X-Men along with Bishop, Sage, and Nightcrawler, which is a bit of a no-brainer given that she is Claremont's favorite character.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
18:14 / 19.02.04
Also, it's a bit of a no-brainer that Cyclops and Emma Frost would be in the same series, since they are a couple and the co-headmasters of the school.
 
 
houdini
18:28 / 19.02.04
God, I don't know why I'm embarassing myself by talking about this, but....

Hmm, was wolverine's brown/tan costume meant to be his orignal alpha flight costume? I think that might be where I'm getting it from, that or the cartoon, maybe. Or I'm just making it up! I'm sure I remember that happening, though.


Nope. The Alpha Flight costume that he would've worn (not that we ever saw it at the time, although he may've had a retconned appearance with them since I stopped reading) was the original yellow and blue one.

The maroon & tan costume was the "new" costume which he picked up after about 7 years (real time) of serving with the X-Men.
 
 
houdini
18:34 / 19.02.04

When I was 11 and fell hard for Uncanny X-Men and New Mutants it was precisely because they *weren't* really super-heroes.

They didn't wear costumes.
They didn't fight super villains.

Oh, sure, in retrospect they absolutely *did* fight super-villains, but it didn't feel like it. There were very few insane death-traps. Instead, there was a lot of mutant politics and in-fighting which felt far more motivated, and "real" than the conventional gaudy bank robbers and whatnot. And, of course, the ever-present threat of the Sentinels.

Stories like Nimrod (whose name was not yet an epithet) and the Mutant Massacre sent a chill up my wee spine and made the books seem important, even scary.

It's too bad, but it's been downhill all the way since then. I think it was Lawrence who originally suggested that X-Men would've been really awesome if Claremont had let everybody actually die in Uncanny #227 when they sacrificed themselves to stop the Adversary. The more I think about it, the more I agree.

And the more I look at that cover, the more certain I am that even Whedon & Cassaday won't persuade me to read this thing.
 
 
FinderWolf
18:39 / 19.02.04
I love Joss and I love Cassaday. But the return of the 'more super-hero-y' costumes strikes me as a bad move. Wolvie's yellow and blue duds just look kind of silly here.

And a naked Beast - even in biker shorts - is sort of silly too.

I think that woman is a badly-drawn Kitty Pryde. I'm shocked that I'm saying anything drawn by Cassaday is badly-drawn, but the truth remains, that in my opinion, that is a badly-drawn woman. Look at the size of her forehead!!! And her left hand looks strange.

However, Whedon & Cassaday will probably make some magic with this, or at least I hope....the rest of the Reloaded stuff looks like crap, except for Bryan Singer and his X-Men 2 screenwriters writing ULT. X-MEN.
 
 
FinderWolf
18:45 / 19.02.04
Actually, I take it back - Kitty's left hand doesn't look weird, it's Beast's left hand that looks weird. That and the fact that the composition makes it look like, at a glance, Kitty's hard could be Beast's hand. I'm not crazy about the composition of the figures overall, or their placement, or the from-below angle the viewer is positioned at.

And that new Cyclops costume is pretty lame.

I don't meant to sound all-negative - getting Joss & J.C. is a MAJOR achievement and I think it'll bring at least very good, hopefully great, stories. This cover just isn't jazzing me at all as an individual piece of art, which is surprising to me since I pretty much always love J.C.'s art.
 
 
doyoufeelloved
22:56 / 19.02.04
Just to quibble... look closely, that's actually a totally new Wolverine costume. There's much more blue on it than the old suit, which just had three black stripes on the side. It's a very close match, but this is a new suit -- it's meant to echo those old New Mutants uniforms with the gold chest-strip coming down off the shoulders, by the look of it, only this one's broken up by slashes.

It's still stupid-looking and they should be in the NXM suits, but there you go. This is, technically, a new Wolverine costume.

The Beast in biker shorts does look lame now, but keep in mind that he spent most of his career wearing nothing but a diaper/tightie-whities pre-Morrison/Quitely...
 
 
eddie thirteen
00:07 / 20.02.04
It's moments like these when I realize how superficial I really am -- I don't care who's writing it, I wouldn't be caught dead reading something that looks this fucking stupid. I am 2 kewl. Bah!
 
 
Tamayyurt
01:49 / 20.02.04
Yeah, it's sad to say, I love Joss and Cassaday, but this is so ugly looking that I wouldn't be caught dead buying it... luckily my friend will buy it and I can check his out.

I wonder what the regular x-fan is saying?
 
 
A
08:00 / 20.02.04
That's Storm for sure. She's even wearing that stupid cape. This looks horrible.
 
 
Mike-O
08:01 / 20.02.04
BTW all, that IS Kitty Pryde... take a close look, and u will see she is phasing thru Cyclops' left shoulder.... hmmm...
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
08:53 / 20.02.04
It might be the low-res the site I dug it out of had it in but holy fuck this just looks more terrible the more I look at it. And that's Emma, she used to wear a cape as part of her outfit back in the days of the Hellfire Club. God this is gonna be so arse. I bet Wedon fucks it up like season 4 of buffy, too.
 
  

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