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Saddam Hussein captured...

 
  

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Tom Coates
09:24 / 14.12.03
Tony Blair has confirmed this morning that Saddam Hussein has been dug out from a cellar in Iraq and is now in custody. Apparently DNA testing has now confirmed that it is not one of his doubles. More on this story:

BBC: Saddam Hussein 'arrested in Iraq'
Fox: Saddam Hussein Captured in Iraq
Ananova: Saddam capture 'confirmed by US official'
The Australian: Saddam Arrested Reports
 
 
sleazenation
09:27 / 14.12.03
Confirmed by Tony Blair, still no word yet from President Bush.

Interesting thing is that Blair has already outlined plans for Saddam Hussain's trial in Iraq.
 
 
sleazenation
09:49 / 14.12.03
Also confirmed by Paul Bremer...
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
10:07 / 14.12.03
Strangely enough, I was downstairs in the off-licence when I heard this... Charles Kennedy was being interviewed about it on telly. Was he the only person available on a Sunday morning or what?

Now THAT's gonna be an interesting trial... it'd be nice to think that a whole lot of shit about US involvement in backing his regime in the past would be given tons of airtime... unlikely, though.

Oh well. So much for "we think we killed him in the intial Shock And Awe thingumajig".

Seriously, though, it WILL be a fucking interesting trial. If they actually have one, of course. (Which they should- even the fucking Nazis were allowed a fair trial.)
 
 
sleazenation
10:29 / 14.12.03
 
 
Ellis says:
10:35 / 14.12.03
I am curious as to whether the US will attempt to try him internally or give him over to an international court for trial.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
11:11 / 14.12.03
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Thanks for that Ellis. Will the US administration try to get him tried quickly (with sentence being passed just before people go to the polls in America?) or keep him locked up for a few years? I'm guessing that the Shrub's minions will play down the failure to find Bin Laden or the WMD, after all, anyone who watches Fox news believe that Saddam used the WMD on Sept. 11th as it is...
 
 
bjacques
11:39 / 14.12.03
He looks a bit like the Unabomber or Charles Manson. When I saw the eyes there was no question. Good work boys now the spin. First, the operation was called Red Dawn, after the 1980s John Milius movie, and the target areas were called Wolverine One and Two, after the highschool football team that lead the resistance against the Soviet proxy army in that movie. Cheesy movie, by the way.

They've already said Hussein will be trued in an Iraqi court. That's his chance to get dirty dealing read into the court record. The Americans can get a big CLASSIFIED stamped on the embarrassing stuff, but they an only get away with so much.

There's still plenty of time for Bush to piss away this advantage along with the other ones. The only question is how? By te way, where IS the guy anyway? If he or his handlers had an ounce of sense, they'd have rolled him out of bed as soon as they were ready to go public with confimation. "A tired but pleased President Bush announced today..." It's been 4 hours since he's known to have gotten the news. He has a knack for missing his own historical moments.

The attacks will go on (at least they admitted that much), because it's obvious to everyone that Iraq is a magnet for any group with a grudge, not to mention internal jockeying for power.
 
 
rizla mission
11:56 / 14.12.03
First, the operation was called Red Dawn, after the 1980s John Milius movie,

You're kidding, right?

That's that ridiculous movie in which scary communist guerrillas suddenly take over the whole of the US in about three hours and a bunch of jocks fight back against them?

Further proof that the US Military is a crazy and terrifying parady of itself.

Apparently DNA testing has now confirmed that it is not one of his doubles.

Possibly a stupid question, but: how do they know what Saddam Hussein's DNA looks like in the first place?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
12:06 / 14.12.03
They reverse engineered it themselves. In Area 51. From greys.

Seriously, the fucking Red Dawn thing... man, if we have to have a fucking psycho defining our destinies, couldn't he be into... I dunno, Frank Capra or something?
 
 
Smoothly
12:48 / 14.12.03
What do you have in mind Stoatie? Operation 'American Madness'? Operation 'A Hole In The Head'?
 
 
Scrambled Password Bogus Email
13:32 / 14.12.03
How about just 'Operation', after the MB game in which 'surgeons' had to remove bones and organs from a 'patient' with a pair of electrically charged tweezers without making the 'patient's nose light up by accidentally touching the sides of the 'wounds' from which the diseased body parts were being removed.

Man, that was a great game. Kids these days don't know what they're missing.
 
 
Linus Dunce
13:54 / 14.12.03
They've already said Hussein will be trued in an Iraqi court. That's his chance to get dirty dealing read into the court record. The Americans can get a big CLASSIFIED stamped on the embarrassing stuff, but they an only get away with so much.

Yes, but even if all the gory details come out, the US merely has to point out that it was twenty years ago during the Cold War, and that they weren't the only ones being naughty. Russia had its fingers in the pie in a big way (can you say MiG?) and France, Britain etc. could hardly be said to be uninvolved.
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
13:58 / 14.12.03
Ah, Howard Dean, we hardly knew ye.
 
 
Aertho
14:00 / 14.12.03
Merry Fuckin Christmas American Public.

I was sure they weren't going to find him. America has more money to be made from fearing the Iraq thriller franchise. But since there ARE no WMDs and this is realy about controlling the planet's oil reserves, I guess we "deserved" a Christmas present like our enemy in chains.

So I agree that they'll probably have him tried and executed or something by next November, but I'm more concerned with America's next response to Al Qaida and Osama... I think the Aeon dropped in 2001, we're totally living a recapitulated World card. Next up, the battle for Zion. See you all in Jerusalem.
 
 
Harold Washington died for you
14:36 / 14.12.03
We captured the wicked witch but there's still thousands of flying monkeys out there. Hell, most of the flying monkeys didn't even like the witch, they were just afraid of her. So while the witch was getting her picture taken, Captain Bobo promoted himself to General.
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
15:49 / 14.12.03
"after all, anyone who watches Fox news believe that Saddam used the WMD on Sept. 11th as it is... "

Actually, I've been watching Fox News and that's not true. They admit on their bug-eyed caffeine-induced excuse for a news program that there is still no proff of his involvement or the WMDs. But that is a leap for me to contest your statement as, yes, people who watch Fox News adoringly are deranged monkey people.

The Howard Dean crack is an interesting one. And I'm very curious to see how this effects the election. Small fries to the bigger world issue I suppose, but John Kerry, who is an expert at Global Politics, really did a number on Dean's image. Huh.

My good friend I've mentioned once or twice before is an Executive Officer in an Armored Division of the 4th ID which captured The Red Skull 'Hussein.' I've spent the past number of months wondering if he's alive or not only to be reassured by the occasional e-mail mentioning his successes on the X-Box, readings of Pynchon and requests for comic books and Miles Davis or T-Rex albums.

I hope he's OK.
 
 
grant
16:03 / 14.12.03
Anybody think W is going to go see him in person to gloat?

Crazy -- once again, Barbelith scoops the regular news for me.
 
 
Panic
16:15 / 14.12.03
How do we know it's not one of his many duplicates roaming the countryside?

I assume they'll reference Doug and Jody's DNA to his to be positive, but doesn't that take more than a few hours? Or have William Petersen and Marg Helgenberger lied to me?

I kind of hoped he would go out in a hail of bullets, a golden Kalashnikov in each hand.
 
 
pachinko droog
16:29 / 14.12.03
Hmmm...That's rather fast for a DNA test, don't you think?

I agree that this does, unfortunately, help clinch the White House for W. next year. (On ABC about an hour ago, media-whore Charlie Gibson was practically smirking about how bad things now look for Dean, Saddam's capture coupled with the stock market hovering near the 10,000 mark. Sadly, he's right.)

And just for the record, the "Red Dawn" references creep me out. I recall the 80's all too well...

Interestingly enough, when they aired footage of people celebrating in Baghdad this morning after the announcement, they showed a small crowd waving red banners festooned with hammers & sickles.

We liberated Iraq...for the Communists? BAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
 
Shanghai Quasar
17:10 / 14.12.03
I'll just mindlessly cheer now.
 
 
gummi
17:14 / 14.12.03
If they're doing DNA fingerprint you need to extract, amplify and probe (in a non X-files way) the DNA. I'm not up on the current tech, it used to take at least 3 days working full-bore a few years ago. Since they have his son's DNA on file and perhaps previous samples you don't need to do too many rigorous tests. Still, it's rather quick.... hey, maybe they'll pull a 'Jack Ruby' and it'll be a moot point.
 
 
rizla mission
17:14 / 14.12.03
There was just a Republican policy advisor dude interviewed on the TV -he said the people detonating bombs in Iraq were "just negative" and probably "some kind of Nee-hilists or Anark-hists". Then he talked about how he'd spent yesterday evening at Donald Rumsfeld's house "telling stories and having some laughs". Seriously.

That and the Red Dawn thing, I'm getting the idea some very clever satirists are in charge of the world's media today..
 
 
sleazenation
23:53 / 14.12.03
incidentally, can anyone tell me what a 'spiderhole' is?
 
 
Baz Auckland
00:56 / 15.12.03
Courtest of Talking Points Memo, an early transcript of Saddam Hussein's first round of questioning

When asked “How are you?” said the official, Saddam responded, “I am sad because my people are in bondage.” When offered a glass of water by his interrogators, Saddam replied, “If I drink water I will have to go to the bathroom and how can I use the bathroom when my people are in bondage?”
 
 
Disco is My Class War
02:35 / 15.12.03
Did anyone watch the live news conference with Bremer and Sanchez and the 'new Iraqi Prime Minister' (an actor, surely)? Pure farce. CNN kept looping the video of 'the capture', which mostly consisted of shots of the 'spiderhole' and the US Army cameraman's boots. We saw those boots many times. Then, we got pictures of Saddam having an oral exam and what looked to me like a check for lice. Maybe they were looking for cyanide capsules, who knows. At question-time the Iraqi journalists all asked three questions, over and over: can we try him? will this make you leave earlier? and when are you going to let us govern ourselves?

I also noticed that what CNN called 'wild celebrations' in Baghdad looked a lot like a very small 50-person SWP rally, beefed up by the presence of at least 50 journalists. How odd.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
05:43 / 15.12.03
My Christ, how embarassing. Did you see how awful he looked? If anyone's been falling Sadaam's style over the last couple of years, the guy could dress. Nice suits, those cool bowler hats, he was better dressed than most leaders. And to be caught looking like that? I was in the military once, and I'd like to think my unit would have had the decency to clean the man up and put a proper suit on him before showing him off to the world.
 
 
Tezcatlipoca
06:43 / 15.12.03
Bush makes his address.
 
 
GreenMann
08:47 / 15.12.03
There seems to be something barbaric in the American psyche, almost harking back to the Middle Ages that - apart from the atrocity of Nazism - we in Europe have forgotten...namely the apparent need to PUBLICLY HUMILIATE people, whether they are a harmless Michael Jackson in completely uneccessary handcuffs or Saddam Hussein being unnecessarily picked and prodded by a gloating US army redneck.

I wonder how America would react if (when?) war criminal Bush is humilated, picked, prodded and videoed by a gloating Afghan, Iraqi or Palestinian resistance group?

Can you imagine the howls of outrage and racism from the US media? We'd NEVER hear the end of it and, no doubt, such lack of decency would be laid firmly at the door of "uncivilised" Arabs.

America...the last bunker of Barbarism.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
08:51 / 15.12.03
The capture of this man was crucial to the rise of a free Iraq

AARRGGGHHH fuck off, fuck off, fuck off. you wouldn't know freedom if it bit you on the arse you unelected fascist! Free Iraq! It's about as likely as a free America!

In twenty years time they had better judge Bush before an international court of law for his treatment of Muslims.
 
 
bjacques
11:18 / 15.12.03
Don't expect Hussein to be the silver bullet of the election. Howard Dean was smart enough to simply say this was a great day for Iraq instead of humbly congratulating Bush on the capture. November is a LONG way away. If the economy is still crap, regardless of the Dow Jones Average, Bush will have to work. He could pull an October Surprise, pushing the Iraqi tribunal to find Saddam guilty and hang him, say, a week before our election, but that would be an obvious ploy even to US voters. In order to score points on the nerds of selective history that populate the NYT editorial pages, I must say this has the ring of the story Caesar and Vercingetorix. After a bitter campaign in Germany (or was it Gaul?), Caesar captured the wily guerrilla leader and had him brought back to Rome. Vercingetorix rotted in a dungeon for 2 years before being publicly strangled during one of Caesar's triumphal celebrations.

My ex-girlfriend, of a Cultural Studies background, read the shaving as a symbolic castration (besides making it easier to identify him).

At least now it will be clear that Baathist rebels were just one group out of many.

A BBC commentator mentions that Hussein has always been one to take long chances. Despite his shock, look for him to make trouble for Bush during the trial. It's true you can't believe anything he says, but on the stand he can still tear holes in White House logic.
 
 
Linus Dunce
11:35 / 15.12.03
There seems to be something barbaric in the American psyche, almost harking back to the Middle Ages that - apart from the atrocity of Nazism - we in Europe have forgotten...

Elena Ceaucescu corpse
 
 
rizla mission
11:36 / 15.12.03
Saddam replied, “If I drink water I will have to go to the bathroom and how can I use the bathroom when my people are in bondage?”

what a strange man.
 
 
MJ-12
12:28 / 15.12.03
you wouldn't know freedom if it bit you on the arse you unelected fascist!

That's more than a little unfair. Typically, fascists improve their economies.
 
 
ibis the being
12:53 / 15.12.03
On one level it's obvious why Americans are psyched about the capture and pouring accolades on Dubya and so on, but - hello? Saddam was hiding in a hole, not commanding any of the "insurgents." Now that Bush has lied to get us into Iraq, lied about weapons and saying SH was probably already dead, made a mess of the country, got us stuck there with no clear objective, we're supposed to be grateful when he finds SH almost a year later, in a hole in the ground? This is only going to make the situation in Iraq worse, but no one seems to get it.

I think it's interesting that Blair said, with the capture of SH, "a shadow has been lifted from the American people." (emphasis mine)

Also: can someone explain why, when we see footage of Iraqis supposedly celebrating Saddam's capture, they're waving his portrait in the air? (the old handsome Saddam propaganda posters) - is this just recycled video straight from SH's palace files?
 
  

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