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Kylie Minogue=Best Band Ever???

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Regrettable Juvenilia

11:10 / 09.10.03

I think it's pretty clear that we were supposed to take 'Fame Academy' as unexamined shorthand for 'manufactured', anodyne, homogenised pop. Sadly this is completely undercut by close examination of the nature of this year's winner/show...

Old brown-eye is back

12:12 / 09.10.03

As opposed to manufactured, anodyne, homogenised angst.

12:47 / 09.10.03

it really is a shame muse were mentioned, dont you think?

any point made will be taken with an entire snow-shovelful of salt when people hear you rate them as an original and groundbreaking act.

I'm Rick Jones, bitch

13:07 / 09.10.03

They sound pretty fresh to me these days: I can see where they take things from, but I think they add their own twist to it pretty well: I'd never heard anything like Bliss before, and that's the song that turned me from hating the band to liking them. Polished? Matt Belamy's voice is hardly the easiest thing on the ears.

I'm Rick Jones, bitch

13:09 / 09.10.03

And you care about Fame Academy? That's really sad.

I'm Rick Jones, bitch

13:12 / 09.10.03

And christ, I wasn't even thinking of Muse when I said that. I was thinking of Alec Empire...

Tryphena Absent

13:30 / 09.10.03

Muse is just an easy example to use in comparison because Bellamy's voice is polished for that genre of music and certainly moreso than Alex's (I know because I made sure to listen to Showbiz the other day to make sure I remembered how his voice actually sounds). He has very power vocals though they occasionally lack expression, probably because his voice is so polished. You've basically criticised Alex for a voice that she doesn't actually have, which is rather poor.

Fame Academy's just an example of the way that the music industry works right now but it's become an incredibly interesting example to take apart. An open lesbian who can actually sing has been voted the winner and if that's a reflection of what's happening to British society than damn I'm glad I live here.

Now aren't you a little ashamed of yourself for coming back to this thread and saying something as utterly mindless as 'you're sad' because oh-dear-god some people enjoyed watching Fame Academy? I mean you've just refused, yet again, to say anything constructive or pay attention to what's actually been said. You've systematically refused to address anything in the latter page of this thread- all you've done is criticise people who really weren't too bad and thus feel a little got at but if you did start to than people might take your opinion seriously. Stop jumping to conclusions and incorporate some detail in to what you're writing... if you don't like pop than no one's going to think you're a twat if you just say 'it's not my taste but that doesn't mean it's awful.' If you really think it's worth shunning than their must be a real reason behind it and not a snobbish 'they have processed voices' reason that makes no sense.

13:58 / 09.10.03

'it's not my taste but that doesn't mean it's awful.'

10 points to you add this fabulous new coffee machine.

But Fame Academey is kinda sad everyone knows that Pop Idol is the show all the cool kids watch.

Tryphena Absent

14:25 / 09.10.03

Pop Idol isn't a music show. It's about Simon Cowell's trousers, Ant and Dec and Pete Waterman. Duh! Why are you talking about it here?

14:42 / 09.10.03

I'd pretty much agree with Anna De L here, Radiator. I'm not mad on Kylie myself as I've said, but I can't put this down to anything other than personal predjuice - any bullshit "this is better because it's real/underground/made of cream cheese" arguements don't hold water under close examination. You've ignored a lot of what's been said upthread (esp. Flyboy's detailed and spot on points) and have just continued to say the equivalent of "it's shit... because it's shit".

Which isn't a very powerful arguement, y'know what I mean?

I'm Rick Jones, bitch

15:03 / 09.10.03

No, I'm definately right- liking Fame Academy is really, really sad.

15:20 / 09.10.03

You've basically criticised Alex for a voice that she doesn't actually have

flux's unexamined shorthand would be a fairer way of describing what the radiator said, i reckon.

he didnt say alex was anything, he referred to a group of singers who are for the most part indistinguishable and unimpressive. the last few hundred of the entrants, i mean, not the last three.

your enjoyment of the show aside, they really showcase a lot of GoodSingers, but a whole host of them are terribly lame.

inmyhumble(itsmusic,forfuckssake)opinion.

I'm Rick Jones, bitch

15:32 / 09.10.03

My point, such as it is, is that liking Fame Academy is sad like a little boy crying over a broken egg telling it everything will be ok and they'll play together in a field when it grows into a chicken.

16:16 / 09.10.03

and that it is, of course your humble and subjective opinion, and that you are sorry if you have offended anyone who likes to watch the nations finest teenagers and young adults compete for our sadistic enjoyment.

natch.

some of my best friends are pop stars, by the way.

18:32 / 09.10.03

We're meant to enjoy Fame Academy?
I thought the point was to dial up once a week and pour money into the BBC?
Nevermind, now a slightly alt.Lesbian has won it means that Fame Academy is vindicated, along with the rest of the TV-eyed country?
Its karaoke for crying out loud!
The poor girl (more fool her for entering) has just lost any chance of a successful future as a recording artist. There is literally nothing she can do that won't be tarred with the Fame Academy winner brush and thereby made rubbish by default. We all know its only the losers that become the winners. Girls Aloud are exempt although I can't fathom why.

Pop Idol is just as bad, promising a bright shiny future for the one kid that can sing, dance and not wet themselves on a Saturday night in front of millions.

These programs aren't there to promote/create new musical artists but instead they exist to be watched as a live soap opera that the tabloids and the public can interact with. 6/12/18 months down the line and poor Alex will be training to be a Trolly Dolly (TM Richie from 5ive).

None of these kids are savvy or smart enough to play the program at its own game and to be honest if they were I doubt they'd get far.

I'll be entreing next year, just in case you were wondering.

Oh yeah, thread drift. Kylie. She's cool. Number one for sure. All you rockists only hate her cos you fancy her. And that disgusts you. The Manics had it right, for a short while anyway.

I'm Rick Jones, bitch

18:42 / 09.10.03

Liking Kylie is sad like a little girl whose parents hate her and tell her she will never be pretty and she comes home and all her things are in a little suitcase in the porch

Tryphena Absent

19:42 / 09.10.03

Okay, I'll start ignoring you too.

I really like Kylie Minogue and not because I perv on her. I think her marketing team have done a fantastic job but mostly it's the rubber ducky lucky song from deep in the depths of her career. Oh and also she brought yellow shoes to the forefront of British style, thus helping the acid colour look to come back in and thus she is a trendsetter and sooo fucking now darling.

Regrettable Juvenilia

19:52 / 09.10.03

Girls Aloud are exempt although I can't fathom why.

I think what the case of Girls Aloud vs. One True Voice illustrates is that what these shows provide is a launchpad for acts - but that once that's happened, you sink or swim on the basis of how the public take to you. Which has meant in a lot of other cases that it hasn't been the 'winners' who've gone on to enjoy chart victory. I suspect you're wrong about Alex just because unlike say, Sneddon, I have yet to meet someone who feels her success was undeserved in comparison to the rest of the contestants - even the people who tend to write her off tend to concede that she may have been 'the best of a bad lot', so to speak. Time will tell - there's a thread all about her now, anyway.

Speaking of writing people off: is anyone else beginning to suspect the Radiator is a secret Minogue agent, sent here to drive previous sceptics such as Illmatic into Kylie's arms through a careful combination of irrationality and thread-rot?

01:36 / 10.10.03

i think radiator is probably danii minogue.

Regrettable Juvenilia

06:50 / 10.10.03

I Begin To Wonder.

07:56 / 10.10.03

Fly: Yeah, Radiator - I Can't Get Him Out of My Head.

08:21 / 10.10.03

And not in a good way.

I'm Rick Jones, bitch

13:31 / 10.10.03

Perhaps I might have been more a cordial and plesant poster had my opinions not dismissed out of hand, and and had I not called a rockist with no justification whatsoever, Anna?

I'm still waiting for someone to call me a n00b.

Regrettable Juvenilia

14:10 / 10.10.03

Personally, I try to avoid using the term 'rockist', especially as an accusation. However, if you'd stop conflating my opinion with anyone else's and take another look at what I've actually written on the first page of this thread, Radiator, you'll see that I have attempted to engage in discussion with you, and been met with only a rude dismissal. Combine this with your insistence that it is only myself & Flux who disagree with you (easily refutable), and your tendency to fall back on repeating insults rather than explaining *why* you dislike something - "they're just shit, shit, shit! And the people who like them are shallow! And sad!" - and it becomes easier to understand why even the people who share your tastes are ceasing to take you seriously, one by one.

I'm Rick Jones, bitch

14:14 / 10.10.03

I was actually thinking more of Flux and Suedehead, Fly.

14:30 / 10.10.03

Hey... and I thought I was the biggest Kylie fan... bring on the haters!

Seriously, you guys need to chill.
This is pop music man this is pop music!
(ten points if you can spot my reference)

14:34 / 10.10.03

look if flux is having an affair you can't just go round telling flyboy! poor luv'll be gutted!

anyway back on topic:

je ne sais pas pourquoi
the locomotion
tears on my pillow
i should be so lucky
some kind of bliss
step back in time
especially for you

for any 'cool' kylie thing, i've got seven shit ones. the name of her second ever single escapes me for a moment, but that one was fucking shit too.

Regrettable Juvenilia

14:41 / 10.10.03

With the exception of 'Tears On My Pillow', those are all great. 'Step Back In Time' in particular cannot be fucked with. Nick Cave wasn't being "ironic" when he enthused about the strengths of 'I Should Be So Lucky', y'know.

And who said anything about being "cool"?

15:07 / 10.10.03

With the exception of 'Tears On My Pillow', those are all great.

jesus

that's the good one

16:15 / 10.10.03

I agree.

But 'Slow' is a good one, and her singles have been really quite consistent of recent.

The one after 'CGYOOMH' was a bit boring, though.

08:25 / 12.10.03

give me just a little more time and our love will surely grow...
BBBBBBBRRRRRRRRRRRR

that one's fucking ace

Matthew Fluxington

12:00 / 25.11.03

Fact: Kylie's Body Language is one of the finest pop records of the year.

"Oh my goodness, this is exquisite! This truly IS 'Sweet Music'!"

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