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Kylie Minogue=Best Band Ever???

 
  

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Matthew Fluxington
16:24 / 03.10.03
Have any of you heard "Slow" yet? She just keeps getting better and better and better. (If you want to try it out, I have it here for a limited time.)

This thread is for worshipping Kylie. Let's do this!
 
 
johnnymonolith
17:43 / 03.10.03
I grabbed it off your site last night and it's been on constant rotation since then. "Slow" is really really great; can't wait to see the video. The bridge with the "body language/take it down" bit is fantastic. Kylie is getting really great in her old age; the song reminds me a bit of Donna Summer ("I feel love" or "Love to love you"- who would have thought Kylie would go Moroder-nuts at this stage?). And to think everyone had written her off a few years back...
 
 
bigsunnydavros
11:06 / 04.10.03
'Slow' is brilliant - it's on heavy rotation round my place right now. Mmmmmm. Exactly what I was hoping for - it's got a lot of the qualities I loved about the last album, but it also seems to be pushing in a slightly different direction as well.

Fever is one of my all time favourite albums, by the way - it's perfect, really. Track after track of immaculate electropop that is catchy as all hell, and brilliant to dance to/sing along with. You just can't go wrong with it!

Plus 'Can't Get You Out of My Head' is just such an insanely brilliant song - so huge and sexy and robotic, but yet at the same time so sad and empty and robotic.

In short: I [heart] Kylie! If she maintains the steady arc of increasing excellence she's been on throughout the later half of her career then I'm going to be a very happy boy indeed!
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
14:41 / 04.10.03
Gahhhh. Bane of the radio, bane of my life. She's what, 104 now? I really didn't like it when "she" (read: sinister pop puppet masters) had the idea for that horrible bootleg of Blue Monday at the Brit awards.

HOWEVER, I think I can forgive her being terrible purely on the grounds of "Confide in Me" which was awesome. Fire at at a target enough times and the law of averages says you'll hit it.

Kylie's like Magneto in many ways. No matter how many times her career dies, she always comes back in realy inprobable ways: she's even had the rehabilitation (that indie album that sank without a trace) then slowly lapsed back into evil. Does she like chains too?

Threadrot: Some loon just stalked her out of the UK, that's a bit harsh.

Holly Valance is better. I'm gonna start a Holly thread.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
15:28 / 04.10.03
Radiator, I don't say this very often about people, but you probably have the WORST TASTE EVER.
 
 
Rawk'n'Roll
15:59 / 04.10.03
Big Kylie fan here... but she's like my aunt or something. I expect her to pop round for tea and have a gossip over biscuits cos she's been in my life for so long.
Slow is good. I detested Can't.... when I first heard it and it took my mates ages to convince me otherwise. I saw the light eventually. Her recent stuff is great (last 2 albums), very savvy girl there, she knows exactly how to manipulate her fanbase.
BUT my favourite album is the 'indie' one. Which isn't actually indie at all (except the so-so Manic's tracks... very ill-advised) its really electronic and housey, the singles weren't a good advert for it. It only bombed because she put the release date back after Diana died (the title was Impossible Princess which she thought was now a bit insensitive), they renamed it Kylie but the redesign took so long the album was finally released after all the singles had been out and there was no "public interest" in her material.
Its a shame, I think its one of the best albums ever. The maturity on the songs that she co-wrote is suprising and they're the best ones.
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
16:04 / 04.10.03
Flux, I can't think of a more ringing endorsement.

We must agree on something, surely?
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
14:24 / 05.10.03
I have to agree with flux on this one.

That and you have the WORST TASTE EVER radiator. Also, you say Holly Valance is better than kylie, but obviously, obviously you wouldn't buy any of her records. OBVIOUSLY.

Why?

Are you scared the pretentious indie kids will kick you out of their club? Or is it because of all the sinister pop puppet masters that make all pop music evil?

Evil. Not like Muse. Eeeek!
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
15:45 / 05.10.03
Oh lordy. Do we have to be so personal about this?

You are my new definiton of irony: a kylie fan accusing me of having the worst taste ever (have you ever heard "Kids"? Or all the terrible Stock, Atkien and Waterman trash from the eighties?). The indie snobs won't have anything to do with me because I don't like Coldplay, or Travis, or The Cooper Temple Clause and the Rock snobs hate me because I don't like Glassjaw, The Used, etc, etc, etc.

I don't buy manufactured pop at all, dude. However if I'm going to listen to the radio while, say, washing up, I'll take sultry over annoying wannabe-house (is that what Kylie's still doing these days?) any day of the week.

I like Muse! Call the police!
 
 
bigsunnydavros
15:55 / 05.10.03
Truly, the best kind of pop is that which is not manufactured, but which grows on trees instead. Much preferable, yes. And better for you to.

But watch out - GM pop is becoming more and more of a problem these days, and may in fact be just as bad for you (if not, dare I say it, badder) as manufactured pop is. It’s a genuine problem people - one of the most worrisome bi-products of our morally bankrupt times.

Something to think about.
 
 
bigsunnydavros
15:57 / 05.10.03
In all seriousness though – who cares if music is manufactured or not when it sounds as wonderful as the last couple of Kylie albums have?
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
16:02 / 05.10.03
I disagree. I thought they were pretty bad. But hey, not trying to kill your Joybuzz.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
16:59 / 05.10.03
Even though Flyboy's said everything already, and even though I know you're never going to show Kylie the love, I just want you to know that all the money muse earn their record label goes to blazin' squad.

It's true.



BLAZIN'
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
17:11 / 05.10.03
Um, money acts make for the companies usually tend to fund other, smaller selling acts at record labels. But thanks for playing!

p.s. a red cross in a box is very hurtful
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
17:20 / 05.10.03
Look man, you dont know shit. Everybody knows all the money goes to the top dog at the record label. And that's Blazin' Squad.
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
17:24 / 05.10.03
Blazin' Squad had a hugely hyped visit to my hometown last year, and no one could tell them apart from the legions of car stereo theives. Ker-lassic.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
17:40 / 05.10.03
That's because they relate to the common people. They keep it real.

Remember - working class = integrity.
 
 
Rawk'n'Roll
09:30 / 06.10.03
Antipodean = slut?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
09:38 / 06.10.03
God help me, I can't tell the clever parodies of misogyny from the barefaced misogyny these days on Barbelith...
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
16:09 / 06.10.03
Wait, Kylie isn't one of those "sorostitutes", is she?

Okay. So now that we've covered all the typical sexist/rockist arguments against pop stars, can we get back to the Kylie adoration?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
16:22 / 06.10.03
In another thread, Radiator said: So, cutting to the chase, are you going to to offer some justification for your somewhat hollow claim that Kylie "starts trends rather than follows them"?

It must surely be clear to anyone reading said thread with the tiniest shred of reading comprehension skills, that Kylie played a role in the crossover of bootlegs/'mash-up' records from the underground to the pop charts. That'll do for example 1.

Before I move on - let me just ask, are you based in the UK or USA, Radiator - I'm genuinely unclear? Let me put it this way: the sound of chart pop, particularly from female artists, has moved in two different directions over the past couple of years in terms of UK radio. One is towards an r&b and hip-hop flavoured sound - the American influence, essentially. The big acts who have helped inspire this direction are fairly obvious (Beyonce & co, Mary J, Ashanti - the latter of which is really just the latest in what is now quite a long line - it's a tradition). The influence can be heard in records like Liberty X's 'Just A Little', or those by Jamelia and damn, who's that woman who did that "you can be the hardest something something it don't matter to me" song? Javine?

On the other hand, you have a move towards a more disco influenced, electro sound - a more European sound, if you will - and it's this direction for which I think Kylie has been at least partly responsible for pushing pop. From 'Spinning Around' onwards, she's been releasing a series of singles that sound like they belong in the disco, or the club (I know the difference between the two can be arbitrary, but it's worth acknowledgiong). Rather than non-r&b pop as sugary rush and playschool chant (eg, S Club's 'Reach'), this is pop as nagging groove - the beauty of repetition. Which is good, because it's better to dance to, and becomes irritating much less readily.

Performing the Fischerspooner version of 'Come Into My World' on Top Of The Pops is probably the most obvious moment - you can pin the crossover of a certain sound to that specific moment, if you like. And the results can be heard all over the radio, whether it's her own sister, the new Holly Valance single, Rachel Stevens' solo stuff, etc. BUT even more tellingly, Kylie's sound on Fever has fed back into the clubs/'underground'. Tracks like Goldfrapp's 'Strict Machine' or Felix Da Housecat & Miss Kittin's 'Silver Screen Shower Scene' (and the extent of their success) clearly bear the stamp of being post-'CGYOOMY'/'CIMW', to my ears, and that's just for starters. And to me, this is when a pop artist starts to become truly influential - when not only their more obviously 'commercial' peers, but also the more 'credible' acts and scenes from which they themselves originally drew, start displaying their debt to such an artist.
 
 
The Apple-Picker
16:23 / 06.10.03
Kylie loves me this I know for her music tells me so. Joyful ones to her belong; we are right, and you are wrong.

Yes, Kylie loves me!

Yes, Kylie loves me!

Yes, Kylie loves me for her music tells me so.
 
 
bencher
16:55 / 06.10.03

Flux, how do you save this mp3 to your pc?
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
17:17 / 06.10.03
Flyboy, all you've done is prove that Kylie is a bandwagon jumper (electroclash, bootlegs). Kylie can't have pushed a "european sound", you half-wit: she's from Oz (hint: not part of europe) and she doesn't produce her own stuff. I don't think she even writes half of it. "The nagging groove" has been around since Kraftwerk (as evidenced by those KW wannabe bozos in her video), crediting it to Kylie is the dumbest thing I have read all week. You realy, in all honesty, think that Kylie influenced Felix or Goldfrapp?

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God damn. GOD DAMN. I've taken a wrong turning somewhere. This is Bizzaro world or something.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
17:32 / 06.10.03
Okay, let's deal with these quickly in turn:

Flyboy, all you've done is prove that Kylie is a bandwagon jumper (electroclash, bootlegs).

As you acknowledge in just a moment, that's not all I'm asserting. Am I going to have to do that thing where I cut and paste things from the last post I wrote just to get you to read them more closely? "And to me, this is when a pop artist starts to become truly influential - when not only their more obviously 'commercial' peers, but also the more 'credible' acts and scenes from which they themselves originally drew, start displaying their debt to such an artist." There you go.

Kylie can't have pushed a "european sound", you half-wit: she's from Oz (hint: not part of europe)

Because no-one can ever have a sound that evokes or is associated with a geographical location other than the one of their birth? Interesting assertion. You might want to take it up with David Bowie or Mick Jagger...

she doesn't produce her own stuff. I don't think she even writes half of it.

Forgive me for thinking that using the name that appears on the side of the record has become acceptable shorthand for the production team, session musicians etc involved. And Christ, the "don't even write their own stuff!" argument - agaaaaaiiin? Here is some recommended reading. Consider it a primer.

"The nagging groove" has been around since Kraftwerk (as evidenced by those KW wannabe bozos in her video), crediting it to Kylie is the dumbest thing I have read all week.

God, this is painful. Okay, maybe I should have qualified: it's a switch back, a change in direction for current chart pop, a return to the dominance of the groove. But then again, if we didn't elide some of the instances in which someone somewhere has done something before, it would be impossible to describe anyone's sound. I never claimed she invented it, Radiator - stop being so hung up on who did what before and when.

You realy, in all honesty, think that Kylie influenced Felix or Goldfrapp?

Yes. Has it honestly never occurred to you that less famous musicians might be influenced by more famous ones?
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
17:41 / 06.10.03
this is painful

A nice way to sum up EVERYTHING YOU HAVE EVER WRITTEN
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
17:44 / 06.10.03
Also, all of your above points are either week or just plainly wrong. You're desperately trying to invest the musical equivilent of a McDonalds Happy Meal with some kind of greater meaning or significance which isn't there, and failing miserably.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
17:56 / 06.10.03
Radiator, you just don't get it. There is a word for people like you. That word is Rockist.

It is NOT a compliment. It means you can't think of music outside of one paradigm. This is a problem. You're basically a grumpy old man.

Bencher, right click on link, click on 'save target as' and you're golden.
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
18:02 / 06.10.03
You don't even know me man. I started today listening to 1980's Prince, I will finish it seeing Afrika Bambaataa live. I do like rock, I also like electro, rap, and more and more R 'n B. I fucking love Missy Elliot, and Basement Jaxx. I dig Air, and Bowie. I like early 90s cheese rave and Sean Paul. This is just a small, non-exaustive list of things I like. Tell me, how clever must you be to judge someone's music taste on only a handful of posts?
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
18:02 / 06.10.03
Also I'm 20, dude.
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
18:04 / 06.10.03
And up until you and Flyboy ground me down with your Blair/Bush esque "special relationship", I was displaying a sense of humour. Perhaps you should try it?
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
18:17 / 06.10.03
Oh, okay, you're down with the canon. Oh, alright, that makes all of your ugly anti-pop bullshit so much more acceptable.

Actually, being 20 is the better excuse. You should run with that one.
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
18:28 / 06.10.03
What's the Canon?

And what's wrong with being 20? I'm an adult, man.
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
18:29 / 06.10.03
And how the bloody hell am I anti-pop, just for disliking one artist? Make sense please.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
18:32 / 06.10.03
Please check your comments re: "manufactured pop," and your willful misunderstanding of all of Flyboy's points.

Being 20 isn't a bad thing. I'm not that much older than you. It just explains a lot.
 
  

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