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New X-Men #147

 
  

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Quimper
13:25 / 02.10.03
Yeah, I say screw the larger universe. The lack of Peter Parker's reaction doesn't make this any less of a story. Although I too am a little put off by Magneto's lack of total control over this situation, at least it's consistent with Grant's portrayal of Xavier. He's penned both Xavier and Magneto to be a little out of touch with reality and the now. But it seems real to me. Here are two older men who have been having their private chess match with the globe as their board for a lifetime. They're bound to be out of touch with what the new generation really wants. Why WOULD Magneto understand that today's generation has a short attention span and only wants spectacle? He's spent a good part of his life on a freakin' asteroid.
 
 
Rawk'n'Roll
13:58 / 02.10.03
Perhaps once the whole arc is out it'll make more sense but as it stands at the moment I don't like how Grant's playing the story. I trust him enough to reserve judgement for now but I hate having to wait 4 months before I can tell if a story is any good or not. I did that with Assault... and still came off bitterly disappointed.

I'm not asking for a big X-over but it'd be nice if Grant could address the obvious failings of ALL the heroes in North America. I mean where on earth are they?
 
 
MJ-12
14:12 / 02.10.03
That will be covered in the soon to be announced Secret Wars III.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
14:25 / 02.10.03
Aside from the fact that NXM is written to be pretty much entirely self-contained, don't you think it is entirely possible that Magneto and his pals just murdered all of those other superheroes?

Like I said, if we're acting on logic here, it wouldn't be too hard for Magneto to quickly wipe out the Fantastic Four, Spider-Man, and the Avengers.
 
 
FinderWolf
14:41 / 02.10.03
>> ( there is a bit where a statue of Mercury is sheared off at the waist and demolished by Magneto. I wonder what is the significance of that?)

Maybe Grant's playing on the idea that Mags has no respect for art or positive creative forces (since Mercury is the god of not only communication - he's the Messenger - but in magick, he's also the god of art/writing/creation and magick, since all that stuff is a form of communicating ideas)? This would seem up Grant's alley; just a thought.

Man, how does this version of Toad not choke on his own tongue?!?!? I don't mind him having the big movie-esque tongue and all, but draw it a little thinner, please, Phil, for the sake of Toad's heath!!

This issue was a little lacking...but I trust Grant to kick it back in next issue. I want to see more about Emma (she and Beast were attacked/blown up on the jet?!?!) and Scott and our main X-cast!!!

And look, the professor's got a bit of a belly. I thought he was more physically fit than that

I'm still surprised about the Authority-like destruction and the Statue of Liberty & Manhattan bridge biting it. I'm not saying it should be censored, I'm just noting that post-9/11, I thought most mainstream comic companies were going to stay away from such wholesale destruction (unless the consequences were fully and 'realistically' examined, like after Hulk's rampage over in THE ULTIMATES). I think Grant should be able to write whatever destruction he wants, I'm just surprised I didn't see it addressed somehow, i.e. an article about it on the Net where Grant said "They balked at it at first, but I justified it to them and they approved it" or something like that.

And yeah, Mags does come off really pathetic here, trying so hard to get an audience for his uprising - and failing.
 
 
FinderWolf
15:24 / 02.10.03
And it's not just Apocalypse, BioK9 - it's a new costume design for Apocalypse, featuring Xorn's chains all around him!!! And a Hell's Angels biker jacket.
 
 
Mr Tricks
15:51 / 02.10.03
I'm wondering if some of that distruction is more a MATRIXesque mind game being played on Xavier. It wouldn't be the first time that Magneto used his powers of fuel some sort of technology. It could even be a mass mind game where the images are feed into Proffessor X's brain who then feeds it to the population of New York...

Either that or this story arc will actually move into the future over the course of years and by the end of it, Phoenix will burn the timeline away bringing everyone back to the point just before the attack of Cassandra Nova.

are these words from the future?

it all already has happened... we're just playing catch up.

KICK:
So I'm wondering if kick is an Esme production. Could she have learned all of the science from say Dr. MacCoy's brain in the same way Jean learned how to fly? Have the other Cookoos simply been a convient cover and Esme is really just the one true cookoo? unknown...

Special Class:
So Beak and Ernst both have missgivings about this brotherhood. Curious that Ernst is chained to MARTHA. AND what's the deall with the Angel/beak babies? Did those two like eat all the others?

Yeah there seemed to be many holes in this issue, devoted more towards building up dramatic tension than much else... I do however like magneto's new suit... less Buff armor and more regal. very reminicant of the film version.
 
 
Mr Tricks
15:55 / 02.10.03
Aldo...

I don't think magneto has anything against the "arts" persay... but for him it seems more about sweeping away the "past" and replacing it with his brave new world...

I saw that distruction of Mercury statue at Crand Central Station more like a harbinger of the distruction that is to come...
 
 
DaveBCooper
10:12 / 03.10.03
Issue felt a bit 'thin' to me, and it did seem as if Maggy got his own way a bit easily - in Zenith, Grant went to a lot of trouble to show the other heroes' failing to stop the baddies, and it really created a backdrop of doom. Whereas here... it all seems a bit too easy, once again making me think the whole thing could be a mind-game/all a dream/Zenith-type ending, which I must admit I'd find vaguely disappointing.
Speaking of disappointing, I'd still like to have the whole Xorn charade explained a bit more fully. In the pages of the comic, I mean.
 
 
Professor Silly
13:40 / 03.10.03
The picture that inspired QQuire--the one of the mutant with the bullwhip forcing the humans along...has come to be. How effin' cool is that?

Also during the end of the Riot arc QQuire was floating in a bath, "passing on," he says "Manhatten is gone, the school has gotten huge," and "what if the real enemy was inside all along." Now Magneto has Xavier in a very similiar tank, only totally submerged.

Finally, it seems this is exactly what the Shi'ar were referring to when they said "Mutants are exibiting toxic levels of aggression...the Phoenix has decided to deal with it personally."


So who thinks Esme was the supplier of kick? She's the one that handed it over to Sophie.... This begs the question--where'd she get it, and/or who made it?
 
 
Mr Tricks
15:24 / 03.10.03
At this point I'm thinking Esme pulled the knowhow out of Beast's brain and cooked it up on her spair time.

The situation is also reminding me of the vision Charlles had when peeking into Jeans's mind while in Paris. The destroyed Manhattan, the last hope...

If this IS a mind game that could also justify why Lilindra would try and assassinate the Professor.

Also... what if Astroid M was simply aquired by the weapon plus program with-out Magneto's consent? In this case there could be Magneto working from with-in and weapon plus behind the U-men working from outside. With Xorn or Esme as the plant.
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
15:32 / 03.10.03
Xorn can't be the plant, for obvious reasons.
 
 
Twig the Wonder Kid
22:28 / 03.10.03

I wouldn't get too precious about all the stuff getting destroyed, I think there is likely more to come. Lets just assume everyone's gonna die, yeah. This looks like it's the story where we get to see what would happen to the world if, indeed, Magneto was right.

Anyone elses issue come without staples. Or was this a "Master of Magnetism" gimmick?
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
11:15 / 04.10.03
Woah- apparently NYC was destroyed already in Thor a few weeks ago. Marvel U be trippin'.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
13:10 / 04.10.03
yeah. a future where even the bad guys get what they want.

where's that invisbles (sic) spray can?

I lapped this one up.

soooo sacriligeous........

........to an architect, anyway.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
17:02 / 06.10.03
It just seems weird whichever way you look at it, I'm assuming this is some sort of mental battle thing, maybe Xavier or the Phoenix trying to show Magneto what 'his' dream would come down to, but that 'Erik was my slave name' line just seemed wrong in so many ways, even though we don't know how Grant writes Magneto (as opposed to Magneto-as-Xorn) and even though X-Men has always been a 'fear of the other' parable. No explanations from Grant for questions of continuity or character from last issue either, I really hope Grant remembers the difference between 'leaving open points for later explanation or because you want the reader to work it out' and 'leaving open points so that fanboys will come up with convuluted excuses so you don't have to'.

So, have ALL the other students left for the summer holiday? But the Special Class all decided to hang around? Is it still only a few weeks since the Riot at Xavier's? I'm still a little unconvinced that the Special Class have all chosen Xorn/Magneto over Xavier, seems slightly 'plot-convenient' to me, though there are hints that they might turn against him. I love the way that every issue she's in, Ernst is listed as having super-strength but we've never actually seen her do anything.

Let's hope next issue this was all a dream...
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
17:11 / 06.10.03
After reading it again, I really think that the destruction of New York is "all a mental battle, dream, etc..." Grant tends to leave thibngs as he found them, and this is way too big of a thing not to have it all torn to hell when he leaves.

But then again, Marvel has kind of lost its tiny little mind when it comes to things like this. In The Avengers, the world was under the control of Kang long enough for him to erect prison camps, capture every superhero on the planet and destroy Washington DC, and in the story just finished, most of the Midwest died.

As much as I hate the old "it was a dream, hoax, effect of time travel that is now gone", I hate that these big things happen and then everything returns to normal. If 9/11 taught me anything from the creative end, it would be that massive destruction tends to change everything. The destruction of Washington DC, New York City or the like would change the world in ways that we could probably get millions of stories out of.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
17:16 / 06.10.03
I really loved this issue, I really think it's one of the best of the run thus far. I love Magneto as washed-up dictator/pop star. I think this issue is much closer to what Magneto really is on a conceptual level than any of the tragic antihero stuff Chris Claremont ever tried to pull. Magneto is a deeply disturbed individual motivated by endless narcissism, megalomania, and genocidal hatred. He's not a good person, at all. What we're seeing in the issue is a world in which Magneto gets a turn at running the show, and as it turns out, Magneto Was Wrong.

I love that no one cares, because they are more concerned with the death and destruction around them to pay attention to Magneto's grandiose speeches. Magneto doesn't understand people at all. He's trapped in his own ego, and his only solution to any problem is to kill, destroy, or to preen and rant like a child. The kids are scared of him, except for Esme who is nothing more than a petty teacher's pet/sycophant/groupie with a desperate need to prove to herself and others that she's better than them.

It's a great issue, and it is the Ultimate Magneto Story. Soon the Phoenix will come to disinfect the world, but for now we're in Magneto's sad, pathetic world.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
19:15 / 06.10.03
i know the feeling dude!
 
 
Keith, like a scientist
20:27 / 06.10.03
FYI: #148 is scheduled for August 18th.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
22:26 / 06.10.03
Jesus fucking Christ! We have to wait more than a year for the next issue?

What, did they rehire Frank?

 
 
houdini
18:52 / 07.10.03

I'm really, really hoping that this is Not A Hoax, Not A Dream. If it is it'll read like a flashback to the intensely disappointing Zenith, Phase IV (oops, SPOILERS...).

To be fair, a goodly number of GM's stories have ended up with the "my psychic powers are more psychic than your psychic powers booga-booga" effect:

Zenith, phase I: Everything seems hopeless and Cthu- erm, the Lloigor is going to devour everyone, but then it turns out that Peter St John has already preprogrammed its brain to destroy itself.

Invisibles, phase II: Quimper has been making Robin his slave mentally for two years, but then it turns out the whole thing was an inside-out hoax and she was trapping him. Oh, and it's all a story Robin's telling in the future anyway.

Zenith, phase IV: The whole f*cking story turns out to be a big fictional trap.

Zoids: It's all a meaningless game played by kids, albeit weird blobby, orange hyperdimensional kids.

Now all of these are clever stories in their own right. And GM is one of my favourite comics writers of all time. But there's still an extent to which they're all the same clever story and I find it a bit frustrating.

I much, much prefer the other endings GM has used - the way Doom Patrol ended with Crazy Jane in the asylum, or the amazing rush at the end of Flex. Jack scaling the heights of the fiction tower in Glitterdammerung. I'm hoping Magneto's arc will go out that way and not just default to "... and then he woke up...."
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
19:03 / 07.10.03
Actually, it seems like Grant's got a new ending trope, but it's one I love. The final world-rendering burst of positive energy. The Filth, Flex, JLA, and I'm betting New X-Men, all (or will all) end in these sweeping and irrevocable processes of positivity remaking/destroying reality.

The man believes in love.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
20:59 / 07.10.03
(cross-posted from another thread)

Blah. A junkie magneto is the last thing I needed. This is all turning into a retread of making your villains idiots at a point where you hate them, as seen Riot at Xavier's. QQ, the coolest character was only doing it for the girl and to be, like, famous.

This is such nonsense. It just seems like you're missing the point - it's not about making them idiots, it's about making them human. I think the issue was really about figuring out what would happen if Magneto was actually real, and was allowed to run rampant. It's a story about his flaws as a person, and serves to counteract years of "but Magneto's really a good noble guy, really" bullshit. This is what he really is, a vain, narcissistic, megalomaniac bent on genocide, but with no real plan for what comes next. He's a child, emotionally. I'm glad that Morrison foregrounded the obvious rather than clinging to Claremont's old romantic tragic figure.

Quentin Quire, on the other hand, was just an angry kid with a mind clouded by drugs, who wanted to fit in and had a crush on a girl and that made him do stupid things. He's a pretty typical teenager, really. It was very true to life.

Quentin and Magneto are the antagonists, they aren't meant to be Cool (though they seem that way at first), but with both stories, we're being shown what happens when you take their aggressive radical ideas and put them out in the world. They fail, and it becomes clear that it's not been about changing the world at all, it's always been about their fragile egos.
 
 
makeitbleed
22:35 / 07.10.03
Apologies, missed half the words in my post when typing. Should have read:


Morrison mentioned in a recent interview:
Cycles whip and twist faster all the time and pop culture's threshing tentacles are flailing into an ultraviolet magic goth phase for a little while before the lights come on and the kids all look really weird in the sunshine.

I'm probably interpreting this differently than he intended, but maybe some of these stories are about the the lights coming on and the kids who are supposed to be cool looking weird. Remember the "cool" guy at the beggining of Riot who really looked like Gizmo?
 
 
The Falcon
00:52 / 08.10.03
I bet I know whats in Kick.

Nano-sentinels.

I think you should also cross-post the response to that, Flux.
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
07:19 / 08.10.03
Kick's a steroid.
 
 
Rawk'n'Roll
09:33 / 08.10.03
Um... we don't know what kick is, its not been revealed. It enhances powers but we don't know how.
Like Xorn "heals" people but we don't know how. Ie: he doesn't.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
10:35 / 08.10.03
Kick is very plainly stated to be "Hypercortisone D," indicating that it is a complex steroid. This has come up in the comic a few times over.
 
 
Sebastian
11:22 / 08.10.03
Why it wouldn't surprise me its nano-sentinel manufactured hypercortisone-D?
 
 
Rawk'n'Roll
11:26 / 08.10.03
Oh, my bad... I forgot it had a 'real' name.

But is it being manufactured by Magneto or is he just an addict?
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
13:14 / 08.10.03
I think the implication is that Magneto did not create Kick. Actually, it's sort of unnecessary for Kick to be a masterplan at all - it makes perfect sense just being a street drug like any other.
 
 
Mike-O
13:35 / 08.10.03
I think Flux has a good point: Kick has managed to mess up a number of situations now, and for it to have NOT been some "master plan" strengthens the human weakness of these characters... tempted by powere and control, despite the consequences.
 
 
The Falcon
14:01 / 08.10.03
It will be a masterplan, though.
 
 
Mr Ed
14:05 / 08.10.03
I found it hard to beleive that Magneto, after carefully plotting his revenge for some time, would simply go 'Oh go on, I'll take this highly addictive super drug, again. I won't get addicted'.)

He's a lot of things, but he's not that kind of stupid. Arrogant yes, but in control.

Who cares what Kick is? It's a plot McGuffin, to allow Grant to do the 'cosmic level' stuff he so loves in a Marvel setting.
 
  

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