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New X-Men #150

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Matthew Fluxington

16:23 / 27.09.03

Also: Please don't forget that Magneto was an X-Man long before the Xorn thing.

17:24 / 27.09.03

Yeah, FLux I think he means a CURRENT X-Man.... I mean fuck, if not let's just count Thunderbird, as well, eh? Maybe that's him with an Emma mask on, arrived back from the dead just in time for his glorious re-death in 150, huh? Keep it real. U know just as much as any of us, and if Beast dies this is all gonna seem hilarious. Not that it doesn't, already....

Matthew Fluxington

17:36 / 27.09.03

No, seriously, Beast isn't going to die. He's going to be in X-Men comics for a long time to come. They aren't going to kill him off.

Aside from that, why would Beast die? There's no good reason for it, it would do nothing to resolve his storyline. He may not be around in the future of the subsequent storyline, but that means very little.

As per usual, I'm soooo glad that you all aren't the ones writing this comic book.

17:45 / 27.09.03

As I recall Morrison JUST said that near-everyone dies in the fight for their freedom, whether that gets retconned or not is regardless. So, Flux, without actually writing the comic myself, that does seem to be the likely outcome. And look at that, MORRISON said it. So let's cut the crap... it seems more like you wish YOU were writing than wishing anyone here wasn't. Also, notice how no one on the site claimed to be "absolutely sure" about anything EXCEPT for you?? Pay attention to your own words, buddy.

19:18 / 27.09.03

Don't expect any future movie characters to die. That means Hank is safe as he's pencilled in for an appearance in X3 after his cameo in X2.
Jean is the likely candidate as dieing and being reborm, she IS the Phoenix after all guys, come on.

Xavier would be good but I'm having doubts as to Marvel OK-ing it for (once again) movie franchise reasons.

09:28 / 28.09.03

Guys, don't worry about old FLUX. He was convinced a few weeks ago that Jean's death would be #146's big revelation, just because I copied a statement from Rich Johnston (LITG) about #146 having a shocker on par with issues such as #137, etc.

The poor guy accused me of posting spoilers, but I assured him it was merely a comparison and not a fact. And I was right.

So I think we can safely take each other's (Flux's, Mike's, my own) analysis with a grain of salt and as mere speculation and not irrefutable proof, until we have the said issue in our hands, correct?

That said, I DO think the original Thunderbird WILL be revealed as Fantomex, and sacrifice himself in #150

Regards,

Petar

10:32 / 28.09.03

Oh I know Flux talks about of his arse half the time - it's just strange for a moderator to get away with being such a troll.

Anyway a poster on the decidely anal X-Universe message board claims Jiminez told him Xavier isn't the one to die in 150. IF true that narrows it down a bit - if you take the plugged death of an X-Man literally, and not being a transformation such as becoming a goddess.

10:56 / 28.09.03

I vote Wolverine dies, Phoenix brings him back from the brink and loses humanity in the process.

14:51 / 28.09.03

Petar, I love you man...

Hehehehe....

Seriously... what I'm wondering is how the hell Manhattan is gonna have it's devastation reversed?

16:13 / 28.09.03

I know Flux talks about of his arse half the time - it's just strange for a moderator to get away with being such a troll.

I'm goin to use my non-moderator status to ask you guys to SHUT THE FUCK UP already. Flux isn't laying down the law, hes posting his thoughts as a member of Barbelith. Don't take everything he says so seriously. Jesus. Flux fixes your shitty links and make those little red Xs you post turn into actual pictures. You should thank him for keeping this place readable.

Take a minute to look back at his five posts in this thread.

All done? Good. It that trolling? No, but thanks for playing.

Get a hold of yourselves, you sorry fucks.

Matthew Fluxington

16:16 / 28.09.03

Um, I never thought that Jean was going to die in 146. If anything, I may have commented on that Johnston thing. Going "oh, well maybe..." is not the same thing as being "convinced," man.

No, this isn't about being right or wrong about the stories in the past, it's about how Beast is not going to die. I'm just being realistic about this.

None of the major characters are going away.

Now, that aside, I'd like to have TheManWiththeGoldenGoon give a detailed explanation of how me disagreeing with people in comics forums threads = trolling. Do you have any comphrension of what a troll is? Clearly you do not. We've got a bunch of threads in conversation and policy accusing Haus of a similarly ridiculous thing - it all comes down to the accusers just having no clue of what they are talking about and having a lame-brained notion that moderators (who are glorified custodians, particularly in the Spectacle) should not be allowed to disagree or voice opinions which may make some of the more 'special' members of the community teary-eyed and sad. Which, as it seems to be more often than not, is any opinion at all.

It's a message board, kids.

17:08 / 28.09.03

Dissing mods is a bannable offence in some places. Watch your mouths kids.

Flux, have I ever told you how attractive I think your... style of writing is? Lol.

18:19 / 28.09.03

As someone who works for a newspaper website that this board regularly links to I'm well aware of the responsibilities or a moderator. The moderator has every right to disagree with poster and slap them down when they're out of line. But the patronising manner that Flux exhibits on a regular basis - slagging people off for voicing an opinion/speculation - seems at odds with his mod status IMO.

Anyway this is threadrot and if anyone wishes to take me to task over it feel free to PM me.

18:49 / 28.09.03

Flux' first post would've iritated me if I took Flux = seriously, Bio K9.

If Flux' posts upset you, boys, there's an ignore function.

Or, alternatively, you can cast this up when #150 comes out in a couple of months, and he and I are wrong. Again.

ONLY NICE THINGS

20:56 / 28.09.03

ManwiththeGoldenGoon - be so good as to explain, as you were asked, how Flux's actions count as "trolling". It seems to me that you have misunderstood the meaning of the term. You may wish to do this in the Policy, as this is a very serious allegation.

Alternatively, be so good as to apologise to Flux for calling him a troll, retract the accusation and resolve to yourself to think a bit more carefully before trying to start shitfights.

21:10 / 28.09.03

Guys, HONESTLY, start another thread for this discussion immediately as it has nothing to do with the topic of this one. Argue about how u percieve antagonisation somewhere else. Argue about Magnus here.

22:06 / 28.09.03

Dramatic effect people.

It's going to be one of the big guns: Xavier, Jean or Wolvy.

Isn't Morrison planning some kind of Days of Future Past set-up? If that's the case we could see X-Men fall by the thousand.

22:34 / 28.09.03

I've sent Flux a PM - if he wishes to take things further that's his perogative.

Back on topic - in that perverse Morrison way I'm wondering if Jean will destroy the world in NXM150 - in the sense that she destroys Magneto's version of it, Planet X.

23:23 / 28.09.03

I think you've got it, QB. Sort of reflects what Bobossboy was on to, where Jean destroys everything, but in the end manages to put it all back together again... or something like that. Am I getting u right?

23:46 / 28.09.03

Well if Planet X is Morrison's dark Phoenix saga it stands to reason that his 100-years-in-the-future arc is his take on Days of Future Past.

If there are quite a few X-Men still alive without regenerative powers - Scott, Emma - that suggests Morrison sees mutants as possessing unnaturally long lifespans.

I know there's been talk of Phoenix deciding to tun the clock back at the end of the next arc, and undoing all that's gone before in Morrison's run - or at least until NXM146. I don't think that sounds much of a resolution. Is that the sort of thing Morrison would do? I don't know the Invisibles well enough.

Anyway, back to 150 - I'd thought that the dissinfection mentioned by the Shi'ar was simply the cleansing of kick and/or nanosentinels. But given 146 & the previews of 147 I wonder whether Jean will have to stop Magneto turning the world upside down, or restoring it after the event. Whether this might 'kill/transform' her I don't know. It would certainly recall the Claremont story where Phoenix saves the universe.

00:00 / 29.09.03

Something that's been omitted in our recent 'death discussion': the fact that Morrison recently mentioned at a convention that none of the X-Men will die in his run, also that "no-one really dies, they just change".

And although, to me, most signs would've been pointing to Beast, perhaps Morrison won't be killing any of them off. Or #150 could end with an X-Man dying in the future, leading into the future arc.....?

Petar

00:01 / 29.09.03

The Phoenix seems as though it will be a double-edged blade for Morrison: Ultimate power but with what agenda? With what control? Look at the cityscape in the cover image... will she repair that, or worsen it? Or something entirely different....

00:09 / 29.09.03

petar g - I wasn't aware grant had said that. In that case it's surely Jean, dying and rising again in his take on Claremont's shuttle & Shi'ar stories. If not then by process of elimination it is Beast. Unless of course someone dies and Phoenix resurects them - but as she's already resurrected Emma is this likely?

BTW has anyone heard this bizarre rumour about Logan offering Jean some of his flesh to eat in Planet X?

00:12 / 29.09.03

Mike-O I believe that the future arc deals with the responsibilities of the wielder of the Phoenix force - but that discussion might be better had in the NXM151 thread.

00:16 / 29.09.03

most signs would've been pointing to Beast

Gotta be with Flux here. A big X-death Beast ain't. I'm sorry, no matter how much we've all come to love him over Grant's run, I just don't see it.

It Beast simply lacks the dramatic potential of the other candidates already mentioned. Anyway, seeing as most us expect said death to be "not proper", it almost goes without saying that we should look towards those X-Men whose death would offer the most in terms of story - i.e. it will feature prominently as a narrative device: Pheonix dying to rise from the ashes, etc...

Of course I could be wrong.

00:19 / 29.09.03

God, horrible typos in that last post.

I'm tired, and I think I might be coming down with something.

00:46 / 29.09.03

Might I ask where you heard such a rumour, Quireboy? That's bizarre in the best way.

09:34 / 29.09.03

Although I should really know far better but Rich from Lying in the Gutters states that Phil J has said that neither Jean, Scott, Xavier or Emma will die.
That leaves Beast and Wolverine.

Or... and this is where the rest of Planet X comes to fruition...

Angel dies after sacrificing herself for Beak and stopping either Jean or Magneto.

I can see the special class becoming honourary X-men after stopping Magneto from within.

10:48 / 29.09.03

Yes, an utterly bizarre rumour - from X-Universe message boards.

Well if it's none of the above who die, and you consider that Beast's death wouldn't have the impact of Jean's or Xavier's, then following the death=change is it plausible for Wolverine to regenerate upon death? He was able to regrow a whole arm in E is for Extinction after all.

10:51 / 29.09.03

My god, I think that last post plunged new depths of geekiness for speculation.

Matthew Fluxington

11:00 / 29.09.03

Let's try this again.

Essay Question:

In what way could Beast dying in a story about Magneto and Xavier serve as a sensible conclusion to his storyline in New X-Men that began in #114? Henry has one of the most low-key storylines, but that's because he's a low-key character, essentially a support character who takes a backseat to the marquee stars of this comic. So, Henry's story is basically that he's this lovable, well-meaning guy who is a great friend to everyone, but is dealing with some crippling insecurities. And the logical reason for this 40+ year fan favorite to die unceremoniously would be....?

11:28 / 29.09.03

I don't think anyone disagrees with you that Henry's death wouldn't have the impact of Jean's, Logan's, etc. Everyone on the thread expects it to be Jean as we're building up to the culmination of the Phoenix story, which implies death and rebirth.

However, IF Lying in the Gutters - and others elsewhere - are correct that implies Jean isn't necessary going to die before being transformed. So, IF that's the case and given your point about Beast, do you think it's more likely that Wolverine dies then regenerates?

12:33 / 29.09.03

ESSAY QUESTION, Flux.

If it's not Jean, Scott, Charles, or Emma, and Wolverine won't be killed due to his neccessity as a marketing tool (not to mention his appearance in the future arc), just who does that leave?

ANSWER: Beast. AKA Henry McCoy. So, are you "seriously, absolutely, without a PLAUSIBLE doubt" assured it's not him?

I wonder if patronizing is a for of antagonisation, but for the sake of the thread I say we ask Magneto. Other than that, I'd say Beastie-Boy is fair game. At least as fair as anyone else. And jsut b/c one individual doesn't perceive Beast's death as being poignant, does that invalidate anyone else feeling that way? I think Morrison has a great affection for the character, who in many ways has been the binding presence to the completely screwed up relationship between everyone else on the team. He's attempted to remove himself from the drama, but perhaps in the end his sacrifice would be what gives everyone a chance to go on and find themselves. Sounds pretty memorable to me.

Btu what do I know?

Just as much as u, Flux. Just as much.

I'm Rick Jones, bitch

12:42 / 29.09.03

Who had the missing eyes in the flashforward?

Yotsuba & Benjamin!

12:47 / 29.09.03

Hm. I don't remember one hundred percent if Sophie's death was touted as The Death Of An X-Man, but it may have been in at least one solicitation, maybe. But I might be wrong. That being said, Angel and Beak are both wearing X-Jackets on page 6 of 147 and, really, "X-Man" is such a vague term these days, with Field Agents and Instructors and everything. So, my money's on Angel. All the emotional investment and none of the jeopardization of any of the Hardee's Soda Cup Marquee Players.

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