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New X-Men #150

 
  

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Matthew Fluxington
17:57 / 18.12.03
What's with all this FLUX garbage? You KNOW who I am!

I AM MATTHEW!
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
18:00 / 18.12.03
Seriously, where are you folks getting the impression that Fantomex died? He's standing right there on the page with Xavier giving his grand speech, immediately to Xavier's left, just behind Cyclops.
 
 
LDones
18:21 / 18.12.03
I saw him after your post. He's in the background of the Xavier-Walking-Bathtub-EVA panel, so those of us reading the issue in our cars while winding through rush hour traffic overlooked him.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
18:25 / 18.12.03
That image of Beak returning with the metal bat in his hand ruled. I think I'll miss him the most.
 
 
hypersimulation
18:56 / 18.12.03
The Neutron bomb thing...the first reading I'd thought it was ambiguous whether the Chiefofstafforwhoever was talking about leaving all the buildings in place, or leaving all the humans unharmed. That architecture line. As if a Neutron bomb would somehow only kill all the mutants. But, nope, I was, uh, being stupid.

The rest of it makes more panel-to-panel sense now, thanks. Though I'm still wondering idly if Morrison leaving Marvel effected the revision and polishing process.
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
18:58 / 18.12.03
Hmmm, I'll wait until I'm in front of my copy to give a full overview, but what was quoted above is the basic gist of Lucifer Principle. Basicly, it is nature that drives divergent groups and ideas into compitition and conflict so that the things that don't work get purged.

From the opening of "E for Extinction" where Cassie Nova quotes almost verbatum from the Lucifer Principle, to the discussions about the Phoenix being that which "burns away that which does not work", to Magneto and the President's speeches about Mutants and humans being designed to prey on one another; almost all of Morrison's run so far has been clearly influnced by Bloom's theories.

And since Morrison even talks about the book on the Crack! website, then it's obvious he's read it.
 
 
Aertho
19:18 / 18.12.03
Seems to me Lucifer Principle fits perfectly with Integral Theory, Organic Time and Grant's religion from his Filth interview. I mean, people probably get hung up on the whole "it's in our genes" debate. Lucifer Principle isn't the end-all be-all of our genetic heritage, but it is how the We-Creature evolves. And that fits with Grant's seemingly new interpretation of the Phoenix -it's the Coral vMeme. We must be brought into conflict for certain [skin cells/individuals] to either [fall away/die] or [grow/mutate]. Telepaths are merely the first manifestation of it.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
19:59 / 18.12.03
I can really relate to Scott in this issue. It seems that everytime I'm about to make a decision about which girl I'm gonna have a relationship with, the other girl dies!
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
20:43 / 18.12.03
Yeah, it does fit in perfectly with his theories. It's even quoted on the Filth Quotes page he has up. I'm just getting into the followup book "The Global Brain" but it seems a perfect match, with the Lucifer Prionciple driving orginisims to new an greater levels of interconectedness and intergration until one superprocessing orginisim develops.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
20:47 / 18.12.03
Why'd the guy make it sound all scary and shit by calling it the Lucifer Principle?
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
20:57 / 18.12.03
The Lucifer Principle sounds like it should be some kind of emo-metal fusion band.
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
21:14 / 18.12.03
Because Lucifer was the guy who was invented to play Adversary to the big white puffy God. He was the person invented to be a scapegoat for all the world's evils. Bloom argues that "Evil" as we understand it is a biological drive inherent in all things (even memes)that is perfectly natural, and the a driving factor in the creation of a global superorginisim.
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
02:26 / 19.12.03
Okay. No one has touched on this yet, but:

Scott's going ape-shit on Mags, raving about repressed rage and deciding to let it all loose when he does just that. Point blank in Magneto's face. Now, Scott knows what his optic blasts can do, so it shouldn't have come as a shock that he at least inflicted the damage that he did. But Magneto's lying on the ground, whimpering about the damage done to his beautiful puss when, all of the sudden, Summers seems a bit shaken up and says, "What? Look, I didn't mean to--". He's surprised. Why? Why indeed. Whose name does Cyclops mention, yet again, in the midst of his raving? En Sabah Nur.

I'm sticking w/it. As much as some here would prefer that it were not the case, Apocalypse = ultimate Big Bad of NXM.
 
 
LDones
04:05 / 19.12.03
I took that as Morrison addressing the red herring that he's laid in Scott's dialogue throughout the entire run. Not to say that Apocalypse won't have something to do with Her Comes Tomorrow, but it seemed to me like Scott was making the speech about being so distracted by fear of En Sabah Nur that Magneto ended up being a big surprise - and a big disappointment at the same time.
 
 
rabideyemovement
04:53 / 19.12.03
How did Magneto swipe the baseball bat away from Beak if it was made of titanium? Titanium is nonmagnetic...
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
11:08 / 19.12.03
Feh. If Scott should be surprised about anything in that part of the scene, it should be that Magneto STILL HAS A FUCKING HEAD because a point-blank shot in the head with that kind of force should have splattered Magneto all over the room. C'mon. In the same scene, we see Scott's beams blow through the floor of the building. Magneto's head is stronger than metal? It's stronger than concrete? Eh. It's simultaneously the most enjoyable scene in the issue and the most vexxing.

I don't think En Sabah Nur had anything to do with that scene. Scott's rage was genuine, and so was his feeling of empathy afterwards. It's just Scott being a hero, and also a sensitive guy. It's very him.
 
 
Nietzsch E. Coyote
11:26 / 19.12.03
The big shot dissipated most of his power. He only meant to destroy the helmet, he is still a good guy. Magneto knows this uses Scott's nature against him. Everyone gets their nature used against them.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
11:35 / 19.12.03
But given the way that the scene was illustrated, with Scott and Magneto making eye contact, there's no physical way that blast could have only blown up the helmet! It does my head in just thinking about it.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
11:46 / 19.12.03
So does anyone else think that the biggest mystery in this issue is the fact that the way the Cuckoos say it, it sounds like Esme's death is the CAUSE of the universe going "wrong", and Jean's death is a symptom?
 
 
diz
11:52 / 19.12.03
But given the way that the scene was illustrated, with Scott and Magneto making eye contact, there's no physical way that blast could have only blown up the helmet! It does my head in just thinking about it.

i'm with you on this. how is it powerful enough to shatter the helmet but not, at the very least, smoosh his eyes and totally liquify the bridge of his nose? he's staring him right in the eyes, where there is no helmet, and yet the helmet gets destroyed and his face doesn't.

also, Magneto says that both of his eardrums shattered, yet he can still hear people for the rest of the issue.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
13:20 / 19.12.03
Yeah, the hearing thing was driving me nuts too.

Oh, and even if Magneto kills Esme while she's doing the "Alzheimers-in-fast-forward" thing, shouldn't he have suffered some damage from that?
 
 
Mike-O
13:26 / 19.12.03
In regards to Magnus making it thru an optic blast to the face.... well, I'd chalk it up to some kind of use of his powers to protect him, as little sense as that makes... hasn't that always been the case with him? Warping magnetic fields to protect himself?
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
13:28 / 19.12.03
We'll just say it was some kind of emp shield or effect of being strung out on kick and not think to hard about it, shall we? Stuff like this does my head in if I worry about it too much.
 
 
Aertho
14:04 / 19.12.03
The electromagnetic sheilding thing is exactly what I went to when I read the scene. Magnetos' always calling "forcefield!"... he keeps oxygen and heat in space when he travels to his asteroid with it, why not erect a preemptive forcesheidl to protect him when he's got an angry Cyclops right in front of him? But then you gotta explain why his hair and face are all messed up. I think it would have been much cooler if Ccylops had just blown his damn head off then and there.
 
 
Quimper
14:21 / 19.12.03
I look at the optic blast in the face thing this way...Scott just dealt with his demons. He said, "Whatevah. I can do what I want!" and BLAST!...absolutely perfect control over his optic blast. He was able to make his optic blast do the impossible by just thinking about what he wanted it to do. This coming off of the height of his impotence in the last arc. I see that panel between he and Mags as the big optic blast that Scott had to let out, as mentioned by Emma so long ago. But it didn't devestate a mountain like we thought, it defied physics.

And I thought it was clear that Mags was playing possum to catch Scott off guard. Scott did not intend to blind him and burst his eardrums. Mags was lying so sensitive Scott would feel bad and he could knock him upside the head with his Xorn helmet. Dirty heel.
 
 
Quireboy
14:25 / 19.12.03
Esme didn't give him alzheimers though just a psychic simulation - she couldn't have physically altertered the structure of his brain.

Overall, not what I was expecting, which was a good thing. BUT share the same misgivings about Cyclops' blast, the ease of Jean's death. Having read 151, Planet X seems more like the prologue to Here Comes Tomorrow than a stand alone arc. I'm sure it will all work in book format, but as stand alone issues the pacing has been ropey in some of this arc, and this conclusion seemed rushed.

I assume the death of Phoenix is what causes the flaw in the universe, as she doesn't disinfect the planet. More intrigued by Beast and how his genetic experiements will play out in the next arc.
 
 
diz
14:38 / 19.12.03
OK, i'll buy the forcefield in terms of keeping his head structurally intact and still attached to his body. i'll even accept that he would protect his head but not his helmet, because i would imagine that, for Mags, throwing up a forcefield to protect his person is automatic like flinching, but extending the bubble is a conscious thing, and he just wasn't that together at that point.

still, though, the eardrums thing was bugging me. for one thing, i've known people who've had their eardrums burst or punctured, and it's incredibly painful. i'm willing to chalk up the fact that Mags is not lying on the ground clutching his head and screaming to superhero machismo, but how does he hear?

or, more to the point: why bother mentioning ruptured eardrums when you plan on having the character hear? sloppy writing on GM's part.

though, i must say, the overall effect of the broken Magneto with the fucked-up face, bleeding from the nose, struggling to his feet, mumbling about his eardrums and whatnot while Scott kicks the shit out of him was really freaking cool. all the fights in this were really viscerally nasty. it reminds me of the scenes in the Invisibles where KM and Jolly Roger would gun down a room full of guards, and there would be people lying around everywhere screaming and babbling and holding in their guts, and of previous NXM incidents like Beak's savage assault on Hank, and the carnage in Genosha. i like the fact that GM generally takes the effects of violence seriously, to some extent. in his comics, it really seems like it hurts to get knocked around in these superhero fights.

i guess this is why weird glitches like this bug me so much.

and, yes, i had forgotten about the Alzheimer's thing. that's kind of bothersome, too.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
14:39 / 19.12.03
I really, really hope Morrison can pull it all together at the end.

If so = gooood.
If not = bit of a whimper.

But the set up's too good not to! If it's not all tied together, the ideas fly around too freely and confusingly, if he can tie them all together, it's a lovely neat little jigsaw that was very cleverly put together and we all bow to his mastery.

Plus: Beast holding back a feral Logan? He's not that strong, is he? Just a thought, in addition to the many others flying about.

I really like your interpretation of that optic blast, Quimper.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
14:50 / 19.12.03
And I'm kinda glad I won't be reading #151 for the first time straight after this, because that just raises more questions...
 
 
DaveBCooper
15:01 / 19.12.03
Quite a few people saying stuff like ‘it does my head in’ and ‘I can’t think about it too much’ when – let’s be honest here – failing to figure out plot holes, or things which are left unclear due to bad storytelling. I’m not so convinced that ‘decompressed storytelling’ isn’t too often used as an excuse for padding, but this was just waaaay too rushed, with too much happening off-panel. As if, after treading water for the Assault on Weapon X arc, suddenly we’re playing catch-up… and when I say WE, I mean it, because to be honest too many people are being too lenient about the fact that they’re being forced to plug gaps left in the story by the creators.

And it’s a shame to have that looming over it, as the actual issue is all right, with a goodly bit of action after some plodding. Some nice art too, though Toad’s tongue always seems inappropriately thick when he’s talking quite clearly… shame we didn’t get to see if Henry truly HAD figured it all out by himself, though.

And I still don’t think it’s Apocalypse behind all this. Fin Fang Foom, maybe.
 
 
Mr Tricks
15:44 / 19.12.03
Since issue #1 Magneto hs used a sort of magnetic force field to stop Cyclop's optic blasts.


I figure it was a sort of test of wills... Cyclops cutting loose and (kick inhanced) Magneto resisting it. Cyclops was able to force Magneto's forcefield back far enough to shatter the helmet. Meanwhile I suspect that the "overload" of magnetic force was the cause of the apparent Burn damage and eardrum poping Magneto experienced.
In terms of his still being able to hear: Perhaps he was speaking the truth when he mentioned (as Xorn) that he can hear by feeling the vibrations in the air made by sound.

Still, I expected Cyclops to actually blow magneto's head off in effect creating Xorn by forcing magneto to use his powers to stay alive with-out a head... maybe this was what was intended as magneto ends up wareing the Xorn head anyway.

GM also mentioned that he hoped MARVEL would keep the changed he made to Cyclops. Perhaps this change is very much in relation to his "optic Blast" the force beem equating to the release of his repressed anger. With his emotional state being "resolved" perhaps there is an equivalent change happening in how his powers manafest?

I also figure the Ceramic planes have been in development since the failure of Mega-Sentinals to complete the objective started at Geneosha.
 
 
hypersimulation
16:50 / 19.12.03
"I also figure the Ceramic planes have been in development since the failure of Mega-Sentinels to complete the objective started at Geneosha."
Actually, really smart. I'll buy that.

And, yeah, Titanium's non-magnetic! what's up with that?
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
17:16 / 19.12.03
Mr. Trick, you totally deserve three or four No-Prizes for that post.

The "change" for Scott that Grant was hoping Marvel would keep is...

HERE COMES TOMORROW SPOILER

...that he stays with Emma, because they end up a full-on couple at the end of the run.
 
 
LDones
18:49 / 19.12.03
I imagine the other change he hopes they stick with is that Magneto now has no head.

As stated above, it seemed very clear to me that Magneto was taking the piss when he said his eardrums had burst, eyes bleeding, prostate enlarged, etc.
 
 
Aertho
20:41 / 19.12.03
I kind of like the suggestion that Cyclops completely intended to use his forcebalst to precisely destroy the helmet. We always assume that his eyes just pour out energy, but we've seen how it's completely based on what Cyclops is concentrating on. Perhaps that IS Cyclops' secondary mutation, or next push of his optic-blast powers. There was the theory a while ago that his forceblast is essentially psychokinetic, and that's why Rachel and Cable are uber-telepaths, but in NXM... that's neither here nor there.
 
  

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