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Matthew Fluxington
17:17 / 23.12.04
I've been loving this series consistently from the start, but I particularly liked the new issue with art by Cameron. I wish that Cameron could do more issues of this series. It suits him very well.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
19:10 / 23.12.04
Yeah, that was some good shit. I dug Cam's looser, grittier inking as well, quite suitable to the material and visually distinctive from his Seaguy work.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
22:41 / 23.12.04
I think the best thing Cameron Stewart does in the new issue is really capture how smug Christopher Chance is, and how unstable and potentially unlikeable, also. I really like the fact that hiring Chance is pretty much the worst choice a lot of these people could have made... he just fucks their life up even more!
 
 
sleazenation
12:07 / 24.12.04
But does he fuck up their lives though? I thought the point was that everyone who hired him was running away from some part of themselves and wasquite well adept at fucking up their own lives. Christoper's life may be a mess, but It is one of his own causing that doesn't really impact on those around him - in short, he isn't fucking up other people's lives everyone seems to be doing it themselves...

Like Matthew, this is a comic that I have consistantly enjoyed and it really is the one *anyone* who likes a rip-roaring good read should be buying...

That said I was slightly disappointed by the latest issue - its plot, whilst still several stratospheres above anything else DC is publishing at the moment, struck me as rather 2 dimensional - obvious and flat. For me, the self-contained issue with the priest, issue 8 i think it was, worked far better and kept you guessing far more than this issue...

Was it just me or was there something of Steve Dillon in Cameron Stewart's art for this isssue?
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
12:13 / 24.12.04
Good point about Cameron getting across Christopher's smugness. He's not a very likeable guy, and I appreciate that it's starting to become more clear. I think that whoever made the point about the structure of Shade is right - as with Shade, the structure seems to be slowly shifting from episodic self-contained stories to something more character-driven.
 
 
CameronStewart
12:53 / 24.12.04
Thnks for the kind words, guys, I'm glad you thought that my artwork served the story well. Funny you mention Chris' smugness - in the script there was one panel in which Milligan described him as looking "very pleased with himself, enjoying the sermon."

It's also not the first place I've read the (flattering) Steve Dillon comparison. I think it's because due to some personal issues I ended up having to really fire through this issue and I drew almost the entire second half of the book directly in ink, no pencil. I think Dillon works the same way, so maybe that's why we look similar this time.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
13:39 / 25.12.04
Hmm. That's interesting, I'll have to look through that issue again later. I'm very impressed, it looks very clean to be all done in one-take. But you're a pro.

Is there any chance that you might come back and do another issue or two sometime?
 
 
Haus of Mystery
18:51 / 13.01.05
Human Target - Cancelled as of #21
 
 
COBRAnomicon!
19:49 / 13.01.05
Fuck.
 
 
Billuccho!
20:21 / 13.01.05
I'd be outraged, but I'm much too cynical. Saw this coming, but thought they'd at least give it another chance what with the trades and Milligan hopping onto X-Men...

Bah.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
20:53 / 13.01.05
I'm quite surprise to be honest. It's a crime serial written by a semi-big writer with a dedicated following... I guess the market's changed significantly since the early 90's - 'Shade' ran for nearly 80 issues, and was far less marketable...
 
 
Alex's Grandma
21:20 / 13.01.05
Well yeah, but I wonder how marketable any of these crime serials ever actually are. Vertigo, in particular, keeps on putting them out, but as I understand it, none of them ever really rack up the figures.

I'll miss Human Target, but apart from the writing and the art ( both great, but then again, this was comics, ) I'm not sure if there was ever enough of a hook to begin with, in terms of the set-up. In Shade for example, which wasn't nearly as well written for it's first twenty issues, IMHO, there was enough in the way of a storyline going to keep you just about interested, whereas a lot of the time Human Target seemed to read like a ( very high-standard, but still, ) US Seventies TV show ( The Incredible Hulk, say, ) where the character moved round from plotline to plotline with a number of issues, but without all that much in the way of development. I'm sure Laimling would have got there eventually, but it looks, in this case, like he left it too late, unfortunately.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
22:17 / 13.01.05
It was a perhaps a little too cold, as well. In maintaining Chance's icy, cynical exterior the book had a certain void at it's centre..I have to fess up, and say I stopped buying it a few issues back. after really digging the original mini, and the first few issues of the ongoing, my interest simply wained. Not entirely sure why.

But you want to know what was missing? Graphic exit wounds. I swear man, a few more heads coming apart and the readers would have come back like migrating birds...
 
 
The Falcon
01:20 / 14.01.05
Shade was a kind of superhero, remember, and in a much more sizeable market.

I can't say I'm utterly gutted; I thought the first mini and OGN were excellent, and only bits and bobs thereafter.

I hope Milligan gets a chance to do something creator-owned at Vertigo now. However this may hamper his chances.
 
 
_Boboss
07:39 / 14.01.05
yeh i think i may have said this before so aploogies - but this book should have been early john woo + identity politics/existentialism, and what we ended up getting was something like late-period columbo + id politics/ existentialism, and that shit has been done before A LOT in the 'tec fiction world.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
09:01 / 14.01.05
Has Milligan lost his game though? It'd be nice if he did something where you really felt his heart was in it, like 'Girl' or 'The Enigma'.
 
 
_Boboss
09:41 / 14.01.05
or teh X-Men!!
 
 
Haus of Mystery
09:59 / 14.01.05
No, no Gamby. I mean mature comics about gender, and identity...

Oh yeah. The X-Men.
 
 
Krug
10:45 / 14.01.05
I do wonder if Milligan has lost his game ever since I've been reading things Shade, The Face, Eaters, Enigma, Skreemer, Girl.

Human Target has been fun but it hasn't really swayed me like some of his earlier work. And X-Statix was equally hit and miss at times.

I just finished Skreemer and his Batman stories (I bought 'em all recently) are probably the only things that I haven't read and can find.

I think the strongest book by him in the last few years was Vertigo Pop London. I want to see him on a creator owned book.

Edit: And how could I forget Rogan Gosh! As much as I've been looking forward to his X-Men, I've been unable to shake a sense of dread that it might be utter crap.
 
 
_Boboss
10:55 / 14.01.05
well shit there's trades of the entire bad company out already or due soon, get into that, that's wicked. i have to say that on the occasions when they were firing on all cylinders his work on x-statix and human target easily match anything else he's done. well y'know, ish.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
11:25 / 14.01.05
Yeah 'Bad Company' is some of his best work - vfuture war stories filtered through his punk rock ethic. Also 'Strange Days', 'Paradax' and 'Rogan Josh' represent the man at his finest. I have to say though something like 'The Enigma' is so thouroughly satisfying as a piece of work in a way that later work isn't. First few issues of X-Statix are ace (and a few others), but the series' arch tone left me a little non-plussed sometimes, or at least a bit underwhelmed. I think the idea ran it's course well before the series finished. It was definitely one of the weirdest Marvel comics ever, so Kudos to the Miliigna for that.
 
 
Krug
11:34 / 14.01.05
Will check out Bad Company and Strange Days soon.

Did anyone read Face?
 
 
CameronStewart
12:21 / 14.01.05
>>>Is there any chance that you might come back and do another issue or two sometime? <<<

Now you know why I didn't answer that question, Flux. I actually knew the book was on the chopping block before I even started my issue. Shame.

But have you seen the sales on it? Something like 5000 copies a month. I'm stunned that it even lasted THIS long...
 
 
Krug
13:36 / 14.01.05
5000 copies?!?!?!?!?

Has anything lasted past issue 2 after these kind of sales?

It's a shame Milligan's not a name that could sell the book.
 
 
_Boboss
13:45 / 14.01.05
well it's a property that could be easily spun into a healthy tv franchise - imagine it, the main star would only show up in the first and last scenes, and every episode would have a different guest-star as the gun-toting lead. it would be good. maybe that's the kind of long-trm mileage they were looking at.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
13:45 / 14.01.05
Yeah 'Face' was pretty good - and quite sickening in parts. The whole plastic surgery thing makes me feel queasy and it really played on this. more typically vain Milligan types getting their comeuppance. it was a bit 'Dorian gray' as I remember. 'The Eaters' was good too - I actually used it in an essay on canniblism at University so cheers Pete!
 
 
CameronStewart
14:18 / 14.01.05
>>>well it's a property that could easily be spun into a healthy tv franchise<<<

You know it already WAS one, right?
 
 
_Boboss
14:20 / 14.01.05
well, i certainly never imagined it could look THAT good.
 
 
Sax
14:26 / 14.01.05
That is so quality. If that had ever aired, it might even have overtaken Crazy Like A Fox.
 
 
CameronStewart
14:38 / 14.01.05
It did air, it was just cancelled reaaally quickly.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
14:56 / 14.01.05
Well there you go. It has a pedigree of cancellation.
 
 
Billuccho!
17:55 / 14.01.05
It was more like 8500 copies, really, according to the latest figures. Here's what we know, anyway:

08/ 2003: Human Target #1 -- 17,626
09/ 2003: Human Target #2 -- 14,401 (-18.3%)
10/ 2003: Human Target #3 -- 13,347 (- 7.3%)
11/ 2003: Human Target #4 -- 12,088 (- 9.4%)
12/ 2003: Human Target #5 -- 10,945 (- 9.5%)
01/ 2004: Human Target #6 -- 10,223 (- 6.6%)
02/ 2004: Human Target #7 -- 9,896 (- 3.2%)
03/ 2004: Human Target #8 -- 9,629 (- 2.7%)
04/ 2004: Human Target #9 -- 9,556 (- 0.8%)
05/ 2004: Human Target #10 -- 9,465 (- 1.0%)
06/ 2004: Human Target #11 -- 9,370 (- 1.0%)
07/ 2004: Human Target #12 -- 9,139 (- 2.5%)
08/ 2004: Human Target #13 -- 8,913 (- 2.5%)
09/ 2004: Human Target #14 -- 9,075 (+ 1.8%)
10/ 2004: Human Target #15 -- 8,652 (- 4.7%)
11/ 2004: Human Target #16 -- 8,341 (- 3.6%)
 
 
Krug
16:19 / 18.01.05
Milligan responds to Human Target cancellation...

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=4682

He's an optimistic fella. If this our man George it would've been like "NOBODY UNDERSTOOD ME! I'M A TRAGIC MISUNDERSTOOD GENIUS!"

Ha Ha ; )

It's nice to hear that he's got something new cooking.
 
 
The Falcon
18:34 / 18.01.05
"whole new charater and series."

Hurrah!
 
 
The Falcon
18:50 / 18.01.05
Here's something...

TOXIN #1 (OF 6)
Written by Peter Milligan
Penciled by Darick Robertson
Painted Cover by ESAD RIBIC
As each new generation of men must hand down the torch to the next, so each new generation of alien symbiotes must hand down the, ah, stringy, fleshy tendrils. So move over Venom, step aside Carnage, because TOXIN is getting his own limited series as Spider-Man Month continues with a nod to NEW AVENGERS! When a full-scale jailbreak [see NEW AVENGERS] leaves New York overrun with super villains, Pat sees the perfect opportunity to use the creature sharing his body for good. But Toxin might have other ideas! Featuring a special guest appearance by Spider-Man and a different villain encounter every issue!
32 PGS./Marvel PSR …$2.99


I, and I may be utterly alone in this, think this will be enjoyable.
 
  

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