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sleazenation
17:35 / 25.08.03
This thread is actually here to cover a number of comics

Human Target, a new ongoing series, is out this week from Vertigo, as is Human Target-Final Cut a trade of the last 4 issue limited series, and I wanted to both talk about Final Cut, which I just read and really enjoyed, and ask if anyone else had picked up the new series.

In Final Cut, just as he did with Shade the Changing Man, Milligan again revisits an exisiting character of Chistopher Chance, created by Lein Wein and Carmine Infantino as target for hire come hitman who is hired to impersonate people marked for death and take down their would-be killers. This time Milligan drops his character into the unreal world of Hollywood, a location that as screen writer Milligan must be very familiar with. The setting is extremely apt for a tale that seems to be all about blurring identity, but as in his critically acclaimed Xstatix Milligan succeeds in upping the stakes at every turn, keeping several steps ahead of the readers expectations. Pulido's artwork is gorgeous - reminicent of both David Mazzucchell and Matt Wagner, yet distinctive in its own right.

If people are looking to try a different mainstream comic (and remember folks there are a whole load of great comics outside of the mainstream) They could do a lot worse than check this out for crime noir with a bit of a post-modern bite.

So, What I really want to ask is what did everyone else think of both the final cut and did anyone pick up the first issue of the ongoing series?
 
 
Haus of Mystery
17:49 / 25.08.03
There was a mini-series a few years back with Edvin Biucovik(?) art which was ace also. I picked up the first issue of the new series and enjoyed it immensely - very Milliganesque subject matter. Kinda reminded me of that 'Face' one-shot he did a while ago. I'm just happy that there are now two ongoing Millititles now. He's one of a kind.
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
05:50 / 26.08.03
Final Cut was an OGN, not a limited series.

That said, I thought the first issue of the new series was ace, but no one can draw like the late artist of the first mini-series.
 
 
sleazenation
06:32 / 26.08.03
really i was totally fooled by the 4-part structure - of course i could have been comissioned as 4 issues and then just run as an OGN - which does tend to raise some interesting questions about about what makes an OGN
 
 
Mr Messy
07:47 / 26.08.03
Loved Final Cut. Loved the ending - almost a shame to pick up where this story left off in the new series - we get answers rather than the ambiguity we were left with before.

Also really liked the two page spread early in Final Cut where Chance is removing his face. He's reflecting on the death of the female assasin, and there's a line that goes something like: "there's no meaning to this story, no resolution, no moral, no growth" (i misquote obviously coz don't have the GN with me just now), but this is what I like most about Milligan's writing. He manages to create characters with inner worlds and voices that can be extremely moving and poignant. Reminded me a bit of that issue of Shade where Lenny is about to be hung and she's thinking about the experiences that make up her life up to now - 'the songs of Robert Smith, etc. What's the point of you Lenny?'.

Rambling a bit now. Sorry.

Also wondered if Final Cut was orignally intended as a mini, but got remoulded into OGN during it's creation, hence the 4 parts contained within.
 
 
CameronStewart
08:38 / 26.08.03
It was intended to be a miniseries but the decision was made to release it as an OGN - I heard the reasoning behind it a while ago but I've completely forgotten what it was. Sorry!

Pulido is ace.
 
 
bigsunnydavros
11:47 / 26.08.03
Liked this a lot, but am still unsure as to how well this is going to work as an ongoing title. Don't get me wrong, I love seeing Milligan play around with the nature of identity theme, but something about the basic setup feels like it could get a bit boring and repetative after a while.

Then again, Milligan sounds like he's got a lot of ideas for where this is going to go next, and I guess the fact that Chance can be anyone and get involved with anything gives this series as much scope for interesting stories as anything else going so... yeah, I'm just being a moany/pessimistic git, basically.

Anyway, Pulido is absolutely perfect for this. His art is very stylish and engaging and yet utterly uncluttered--the relaxed simplicity of the storytelling is a big bonus in a series like this where there's so much (deliberate) narrative trickiness going on, methinks.
 
 
sleazenation
20:12 / 28.08.03
Just picked up the first issue of the ongoing series and I was totally blown away by the last two pages (read the penultimate page and then turn over to see what i mean). Those pages prove, to me at least, that aside from Milligan's usual enjoyable play with various questions on the nature of identity this series has legs. - Buy it and see what you think.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
21:58 / 28.08.03
Yeah, I thought that was the most effective ending to a first issue of anything in a long, long while. It really benefits from you having read the rest of the issue first, so you're still digesting what's gone before, and don't necessarily pick up on the visual clues. Hell, I even read Milligan's plug for the series on the Vertigo plug page and it didn't make me twig - I flipped over and had one of those visceral "oh SHIT" moments. It's so obvious when you go back and read the previous page again, you slap your head, but I don't think many people *will* see it coming first time. Great stuff.

And the rest of it's almost as good. I think this is a really good example of how a comic that picks up where a previous story left off can use that to its advantage, so that it intrigues first-time readers rather than alienating them. This would have worked as a stand-alone short story - we get all the exposition we need, and it's very succinct - just succinct enough that you feel your intelligence is being used, not insulted - and yet it's also made me want to pick up both Final Cut and the next issue. Best thing I bought today, best comic I've read in a while.
 
 
sleazenation
12:23 / 29.08.03
I've got the final cut and it made me want to read it again and get the first series...
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
21:07 / 29.08.03
bit worried about the pulp explosion ripping through comics just now.
story and art.
 
 
The Falcon
02:28 / 30.08.03
Why so?

I'm quite enjoying it.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
15:12 / 30.08.03
bandwith is too narrow for my tastes: both art and writing
 
 
000
21:11 / 30.08.03
yawn, while the pulpy direction you see in some titles may be worrisome for you, I tend to look at it the other way. The TV series Alias got me thinking: When a truly commercial TV series begins to resemble the Claremont/Byrne run in it's format (somewhat complex, continuity heavy, long running subplots + 'what has happened so far' segments when the episode warrants it, cliffhanger endings, amidst acrobatics that might not be as sofisticated as current multimultimulti dollar heavy movies, but which nonetheless delivers suspence and visceral thrills) while NXM has been compared many-a-times to Buffy; when Millar & that Davis-clone cement their names by updating an Kirby/Lee/Ayers comic as a multimultimulti dollar movie, and multimultimutli dollar movies challenge comic books in content, etc., I think it is high time to pave a road that comics do best.

Perhaps the pulpy won't be that, but most of the American comic books are periodicals by heart and perhaps one should look at it as a healthy mutation towards something else via their pulpy roots.
 
 
The Natural Way
11:10 / 31.08.03
Altho' I enjoyed this, I'm not a huge fan of the art. Looks like sub Rian Hughes to me.
 
 
sleazenation
10:37 / 07.10.03
After the large amount of praise heaped on this title in the 'what are you reading thread' I thought I'd bump it back up...
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
11:01 / 07.10.03
Thought issue 2 kept the high standard going - I can really understand why X-Stratix has been sagging lately, as this title is clearly where Milligan's focus has been. That dialogue filled with snappy wisecracks about the state of the US/Western psyche; the very knowing, overlapping interior monologues - that's what I've been missing. I love that even with all the social comment and weirdness, Milligan still keeps the slightly retro, goofy, spy movie feel: when a character says something like "how can I be there and not be there at the same time?", and Christopher Chance smiles to himself, you flip over the page and - bam! - you can almost hear the Mission: Impossible theme kick in over the montage of Chance putting on his special make-up...

Don't really care about the fate of the protagonists who are specific to this story, and interestingly, I'm not sure Chance does either. He's not acting like he cares anyway, so I wonder how he'll feel if his plan goes horribly wrong and ends with a bodycount, as I suspect it will. I also wonder if there are going to drop little hints about Christopher's sexuality in every issue. Verrrrry interesting...
 
 
Sexy Legendary
13:38 / 07.10.03
Yeah, I'm thinking this is gonna be a helluva ride until Milligan gets bored of it, which should guarantee at least a year of pretty quality stuff.

Mind you, I know X-Statix isn't quite as full-on as it used to be, but I'm enjoying it still (when it actually comes out, of course).

Baseball story looks like it's gonna be pretty harsh (in a good way), kind of like a translation of the Fall's Kicker Conspiracy for America, what with its debunking of a popular national game and all.
 
 
sleazenation
14:50 / 07.10.03
A lot of people have ragged on X-statix recently, but i'm still finding it a more consistently enjoyable read than Morrison'd run on new X-men...
 
 
Bed Head
18:43 / 23.06.04
Bump. Just because the new issue - number 11 - is completely and utterly wonderful, but I’m currently feeling like I’m the only boy in the world still reading this title. The last issue was great, having the best twist ending so far in the series; but this month, Javier Pulido returns! And really, whoever had the bright idea of having Pulido and Chiang each doing stints, five issues on, five issues off, deserves a big shiny medal. They’re both great artists in entirely different ways, and whether it’s the extra time the break affords them, or else the spur of the competition, Pulido’s somehow managed to come back this month looking better than ever. Really. Go and have a peek, next time you’re in a comic shop: ‘tis lovely. Doing his own colours for the first time I think, which maybe explains some of the changes in his style. No longer seems to feel any pressing need to enclose every area of space with a box or a black line. Or something. At any rate, all the layouts seem really loose and open. There’s so little actually there on the page and yet you can feel the dryness of the air. I reckon this guy could draw a pollen count if he set his mind to it. With just a few brush strokes and a perfectly judged choice of colours. I’m properly bowled over. And yeah, even if they weren’t so perfectly suited to the storytelling, on a purely aesthetic level, I’d *still* really dig the colour schemes in this issue: big slabs of pink and grey, blue and yellow, red and green. Oh, we’re spoiled for fab artwork in comics at the moment. What with Seaguy also being such a joy and all. Kids today, they don’t know they’re born.

And man, Milligan’s really hitting a stride with the character. It totally works as a monthly soap opera. A monthly soap opera with guns and interchangable faces and a nice line in callous bastard humour, that is. The actual jobs themselves, the identities Chance takes on, are almost irrelevant: you get told the full story of the interesting ones, but far more important at the moment is the sense of how many contracts Chance fulfils every single week, the sheer amount of identities he constantly cycles through, that skating-on-thin-ice rush that he runs on, contrasted with the little effects it’s sloooowly having. Not on his state of mind, nothing so obvious, but rather on the way he sees and relates to other people, which is brilliant. And with a typically dry Milligan-interior monologue providing a running commentary. Best Milligan commentary track since Enigma, no kidding.


Oh, sorry for the gush, but I so love comics right now.
 
 
Bed Head
18:49 / 23.06.04
Oh, gaaahhhd. Okay, so, now that I’ve noticed that sleazenation has literally only just mentioned elsewhere on the board that he also still reads and enjoys this comic, please ignore my first sentence. Gah.
 
 
Mr Tricks
22:09 / 23.06.04
Oh yeah . . . great stuff. The lack of panel border has me thinking alot of both Will Eisner's work (and comentaries on the use of panel borders) and something Scott McCloud in one of his book about the rarity of artists opting to tell stories minus panel borders...

And what a story it IS!!! this stuff should come out twice a month!!!
 
 
Billuccho!
02:05 / 24.06.04
Nice to see this thread bumped. Was thinking of doing it m'self.

Haven't gotten #11 yet, maybe tomorrow, but Target is by far my favorite ongoing comic. It ranges from 'really good' to 'brilliant' on a regular basis.
 
 
Ben Danes
03:56 / 24.06.04
I think the best thing about Human Target is that each issue is better than the last. The quality hasn't been dipping issue to issue, going from excellent to decent, rather they've all just been top-knotch quality comics.

Based on his first run on art duties, I was preferring Chiang to Pulido, but with #11 he changed my mind. Great stuff.

Behind Seaguy, this is my favourite comic right now.
 
 
sleazenation
06:51 / 24.06.04
Since the first issue I've consistantly enjoyed this series, although I was a bit disappointed with isseue 10 which I felt a bit sub-par for Milligan on the top of his game (and when milligan is good no-one can touch him).


So, what do people think about all the references to weathermen in issue 11? After all the weatherman business in Any Way the Wind Blows it looks like the group could become a recurring theme, which could be fun depending on how its handled.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
08:21 / 24.06.04
Pullido certainly shone this last issue - really fun, bold panel structure. His work is a nice blend of Matt Wagner and Rian Hughes. All in all it's just a solid read with wonderful dialogue - how weird that the fey, navel gazing Wildean prose of yore could be turned round to hardboiled smart talk with not that much alteration.
 
 
sleazenation
08:24 / 24.06.04
But was it really pulido last issue? My copy at least credited different artists as being responsible for the art inside on the cover and on the title page...
 
 
Haus of Mystery
11:23 / 24.06.04
Definitely Pullido. Says Chiang on the cover, but I'm sure as shit that ain't his work inside.
 
 
The Falcon
15:25 / 13.07.04
Chris Chance has worn too few secret beards on his secret faces for my liking.

I would like this to get heading toward where it's going quite soon. It's lovely, but goes on a bit sometimes.
 
 
Krug
00:36 / 07.11.04
It's been hit and miss for me and I still don't think this is the best Milligan can do, but I really think he's rockin' with the current arc.
 
 
The Falcon
18:27 / 07.11.04
Last ish of Venom/Carnage was better.

Trust me.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
19:12 / 08.11.04
I would like this to getting heading toward where it's going quite soon

I sort of know what you mean. It occurs to me Milligan might be going for a similar structure to the one he used in Shade here, ie, broad overview of American society in the first part/third/whatever, followed by more involved, character-driven material later on.

The trouble with that being, I suppose, that the back-story only seems to be in sketch form so far, there's the situation with Chance's 'wife,' and his face, so some potential there, but nothing that looks to be heading in any definite direction in the immediate future.

I wonder if the format isn't a little too *realistic* for Milligan at the moment, and thus a bit too restrictive - he seems to work best when he's able to cut loose with whatever idea, and while I can see why he'd be a bit wary after The Minx, I can't helping feeling that what Human Target needs is a touch more *weirdness,* if for no other reason than to make it stand out from the rest of the hard-boiled noir stuff on Vertigo just now, which seems depressingly geared towards Hollywood script deals.

Still, time'll tell.
 
 
Elegant Mess
19:09 / 14.11.04
Quick note about the current arc (which I'm enjoying immensely, by the way): did anyone else notice that the two killers are drawn as Paulie from The Sopranos and James Caan, and Mr Stephenson is Gene Hackman from The Royal Tenenbaums ?
 
 
D Terminator XXXIII
20:57 / 22.12.04
Having nothing better to do two nights ago, I read the first two issues again and I was reminded of how wonderfully punchy the writing was.

Is it still going strong?
 
 
Krug
15:48 / 23.12.04
I noticed Hackman. Let me check for the others.
 
  

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