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Power outage in the US?

 
  

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grant
16:44 / 15.08.03
Here's some historical background you might find useful & interesting.
 
 
Baz Auckland
18:06 / 15.08.03
Moriarty: I think this is all that happened in Ottawa...

""Opportunistic" thieves hoping to take advantage of the power outage held up a Sparks Street jewelry store mere moments after the lights went out yesterday, and fired up to four gun shots into the crowded mall area while making their escape."

The Toronto Star was printed in Hamilton and Niagra last night, and put together in Toronto with reporters lining up to share laptops to type their stories... their website just came back up, but it looks like it was just thrown together by someone. hee hee.
 
 
Baz Auckland
00:14 / 16.08.03
From Yahoo News

In Canada's capital of Ottawa, police reported 23 cases of looting, along with two deaths possibly linked to the blackout — a pedestrian hit by a car and a fire victim. There were also reports of minor looting in Brooklyn and Detroit.
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
00:58 / 16.08.03
Just wanted to add that on the boob last night, the media was pushing the Homeland Security Dep as being instrumental in this crisis (White House Corr said this), but could not answer what they did aside from 'fascilitate'... Yeah.. I do a lot of that at work too, dude.

That really freaked me out because (I know I'm paranoid) it suggests that they want the average joe to remember this and in future give the Homeland Sec Dep a lot of leeway so that 'it won't happen again.'

I dunno, man. It was hotter last year so the A/C angle doesn't fly. I don't have the answers, just weird suspicions.
 
 
FinderWolf
01:20 / 16.08.03
Comin to ya live from Brooklyn, NYC!! Here's clips from a PM I sent to a fellow Lither ---

It was kinda bizarre, but fun. I just hung out in my neighborhood in Brooklyn, talking to people, listening to people's car or battery-operated radios, hanging out. It was pretty trippy here, especially at night, where it was essentially this big party. Very communal, everyone came together and was sort of united by the whole thing. And seeing everyone going out at night with flashlights and stuff was pretty cool, as was the bizarre sight of NYC's dark skyline at sunset. The bars here & in just across the way Williamsburg did the candles thing, lots of fun.

I want to see a really cool photograph of Times Square sans all the lights and neon. And I want to see a satellite photo from space of the northeastern US and Canada blacked out while everyplace around that area has lights. That would be a great picture, I think.

I kept thinking "remember how Grant Morrison predicted a 'pastoral', low-technology vibe for this next period?" well, last night was about as 'pastoral' and lo-tech as you could get here in NYC. I'm sure some interesting, art, movies, stories & photographs will come out of this historic event. I can't believe it was fucking 8 states + Canada. Pretty wild. It was nice because although it was this major thing, it wasn't a crisis like Sept. 11th was - circumstances were extreme, the biggest city in the world came to a standstill, but no death/destruction.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
07:47 / 16.08.03
Mr Stoat -- tell us more about the UK powerdowns. Are they going to be outages or brown-outs? Where did you hear this?

It's been all over the papers the last couple of days... although in today's they're saying something like a one in five chance... I think yesterday they were just jumping on the US' bandwagon. I think it's largely down to major financial problems at most of the big energy providers.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
11:35 / 16.08.03
And they *laughed* when I got a wind-up torch and radio combo...

France is also in severe trouble, apparently - the high temperatures meaning that the river water they normally use to cool their nuclear plants is too hot to work efficiently, and so up to 40% of their electricity may be inaccessible. It's an interesting one - the effects of radical climate change are starting to affect the developed world, in a way that wasn't planned for, with this and the problems with the rail network in the UK - might even lead to an attempt to combat it, although more likely is the attemtp to reinforce the power network against the problems it is playing a part in causing...
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
14:39 / 16.08.03
I'm sure I'm behind hte curve here, but this from Stoat:

the late edition of the UK Daily Telegraph had a big picture of Brooklyn Bridge, jampacked with people. The caption was very unfortunately worded. Fearing a terrorist attack, thousands of New Yorkers crowded onto Brooklyn Bridge

I am probably a tiny smudge in one or two of those photos. No one I talked to feared anything of the sort. We were going home.
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
14:44 / 16.08.03
Oh yeah! Throughout lower Manh. and Brooklyn, regular people were directing traffic. It was awesome.

"Okay, traffic light's out on my corner, the cops are obviously pretty busy, I gots nothin' to do for the next 6-8 hours... fuck it, I'll direct traffic."

Being on a bike, I am pretty much immune to traffic laws, but it was pretty sweet.

OR is everyone over this now? I've only just this morning got power back at my house, so I'm, like, 2.3 days behind everyone.
 
 
Mystery Gypt
17:22 / 16.08.03
two days later, and my legs are KILLING me. the walk down 39 flights through pitch black from my office at Nickelodeon was pretty devestating. the view from up there down onto a times square without any electric billboards was amazing. the whole thing felt a lot like halloween. i saw a dude in a Transformers shirt directing traffic on 5th ave. i skateboarded down to the holland tunnel and hitched a ride with an Indian guy who is now a bridge inspector and he drove me through.

it was all good times, really fun, the bonus "snow day" on friday was a treat, probably the nicest day i've spent with my girlfriend in a while.

it was sorta cool seeing how people react to a world without TV...

i didn't understand all the reports about people "sleeping on the sidewalk" in manhattan... i know its a long walk in any direction, but i made it to jersey city by 8 o'clock and i new people who walked as far as park slope, brooklyn. maybe all the sidewalk-sleepers were the people drinking in the cafes who thought the power would come back at any moment, then wound up wasted and passed out at 4 in the morning.

i think we should do it once every month or so.
 
 
Sebastian
21:56 / 16.08.03
I returned home from US today, via Washington, no power outages there.

Psss... Just to think I was asking how safe was to travel to US nowadays, you guys couldve told me lights might go out.
 
 
*
22:23 / 16.08.03
the late edition of the UK Daily Telegraph had a big picture of Brooklyn Bridge, jampacked with people. The caption was very unfortunately worded. Fearing a terrorist attack, thousands of New Yorkers crowded onto Brooklyn Bridge

And of all the stupid places to crowd onto if they were fearing a terrorist attack. Evidently the author of that caption either didn't think much of the intelligence of a mob of New Yorkers, or else just didn't think.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
14:19 / 17.08.03
i think we should do it once every month or so.

A few thousand business owners would probably like to smack you for saying that. A lot of businesses big and small lost a LOT of money this week, and will not be able to recoup their losses. Lots of people who really need the money will be losing some pay. Some people might lose their jobs. The economy is already fucked enough as it is. Many people were hurt, trapped, stranded. Let's not ever do this again, okay?
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
15:07 / 17.08.03
So, the screeds are already hitting the fan--my inbox was full of virtual clippings about how this, too, was All Dubya's Crew's Fault. What do you think?
 
 
_pin
16:26 / 17.08.03
The sleeping-on-the-streets-in-NYC thing has been going on in the English press for weeks. Apparently it's just so hot people in NYC that people sleep on the streets, and no one comes along and anally rapes them and makes off with their investment portfolio. This last part is the subtext, which everyone fills in and then decides that motherufcking heatwaves are a good thing.

This stops us all bitching about the heat (but not about the use of degrees Celcius, oddly), because tehre's nothing worse then going "Whoa fuck it's hot out there", only to be told that if it was a bit colder, even a little bit, millions of innocent, 911 surviving Americans would get anally raped and have their investment portfolios stolen, thankyouverymuch.
 
 
bjacques
21:51 / 17.08.03
The day before the heatwave broke, the SP I work for had lost one of its Paris hubs due to the power outage, and a German hub was starting to overheat. The Dutch electricity authority was also going to issue a Code Red, allowing power companies to brown out parts of the grid. Water levels were dropping and the temperatures rising, same as in France. So it was close.

If the outage was really due to neglect by the privatized power companies, as Greg Palast says, then it's obviously a warning to other countries privatizing (willingly or by IMF fiat) their power, water and other infrastructure. Private companies hate to modernize their equipment because they can't always immediately jack up rates to pay for it.

It's pretty obvious the Homeland Security Office are flailing about trying to convince people they're more than an expensive indulgence of paranoia. All they do is look for terrorists under the bed and make lists of people to round up during the next spectacular attack or, maybe, protect the state from a people's revolt. But in the first world, no disaster has yet fundamentally changed anything, nor made any opportunities for revolt, if the people were so inclined. So there's still a status quo toward which people will work, and some will make themselves useful and the rest will just take the day off or make a party out of it as a break from a routine which will be re-established soon enough. As for the looting, well, crime goes on.

So no Marjoe Gortner the psycho National Guardsman blowing away the black guys who gave him lip when he was checking their groceries, or then trying to rape Marlo Thomas because she wouldn't give him the time of day.
 
 
Linus Dunce
09:37 / 18.08.03
i think we should do it once every month or so.

A few thousand business owners would probably like to smack you for saying that.


Not just capitalists -- I imagine there will be many people who have lost food in their freezers and can't afford to replace it. And many self-employed people with reduced family income for the week. Etc.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
10:15 / 18.08.03
Yes I kept thinking it would be fun to have a blackout and then thinking shut up Anna, you know you'd spend all night defrosting and cooking everything in the damn freezer so you didn't lose it all... I'm sure a lot of people with gas cookers did that to try and save some money.
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
10:23 / 18.08.03
The sleeping-on-the-streets-in-NYC thing has been going on in the English press for weeks. Apparently it's just so hot people in NYC that people sleep on the streets

I have heard that you're a bit of a kidder, pin, so maybe my "Zfwhuh?" is suckerish, but this is nonsense if true. We've had the rainiest, coolest summer in recent memory.

People used to sleep on the bridges, before there were electric fans and air-conditioners.
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
10:24 / 18.08.03
And the blackout was kind of fun, Anna.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
13:28 / 18.08.03
Maybe you should change that to "the blackout was kinda fun FOR SOME PEOPLE."

I certainly had no fun, and a lot of people had it worse than I did. It depends on how lucky you were that day.
 
 
bjacques
14:43 / 18.08.03
20 years ago last week a smallish hurricane (Alicia) blew through my town and cut power to my neighborhood for 80 hours. I'd just gotten 10 lbs of venison--steaks, sausage, ground patties--from a friend. I managed to eat 3/4 of it before it went bad. Phone worked though.
 
 
Nematode
19:20 / 18.08.03
Has anybody seen this on indymedia alleging that the big power companies were complicit in the power outrage? Slightly speculative...... but why not? [Oh I'd love to be able to do those hyperlinks] http://indymedia.org.uk/en/2003/08/275749.html
 
 
bjacques
20:21 / 18.08.03
I'd go as far as to believe the GOP so desperate to capitalize on disaster they can't even wait a decent interval. Beyond that is speculation, but nobody's got a better story. The Ohio transmission lines theory has been shot down.
 
 
fluid_state
12:50 / 19.08.03
I was thinking that this would be fun once a month too, until I'd heard about people having the sewers back up into their basements, a lack of any water for people in tall apartments, and similar. I guess it would be less fun than educational, just to see how well we'd be prepared to work together next time.

About the conspiracy theories: you don't really need them. I'm just looking at Ontario's recent history (lots of private-power vs. public power battles), and there's a pretty clear picture of ineptitude, incompetence, and outright toadying to corporate energy brokers all contributing to this. On the CBC news earlier, the caster mentioned something about "deregulation and price capping causing the rolling blackouts of California", and then going on to mention that no one here is blaming price capping, YET, but really, the only way to prevent this again is by charging more money for electricity. So we'll use it less, see? There was also a bit in there about the astronomical cost of modernizing the power grid, which is obviously a necessity.

No one yet has seriously mentioned anything about alternative forms of energy, nor about the ludicrousness of having all these systems so closely connected, nor any mention of this problem curiously affecting areas with wholly or mostly privatized power systems. Despite calls by our provincial govt. to limit power usage(both public and private), the lights are on all night in most downtown buildings, billboards are still electronically advertising, and I am still on the computer.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
15:55 / 19.08.03
the only way to prevent this again is by charging more money for electricity. So we'll use it less, see?

Ha ha! Riiiiiiiight!
 
 
Lionheart
18:37 / 19.08.03
I think that August 14th (or the weekend before/after it) should now be "Blackout Day". We will celebrate it by turning off all electrical appliances that aren't vital to our lives. Thus we can experience all the fun of the blackout without having to experience all the problems that a blackout causes. Good idea?
 
 
grant
18:50 / 19.08.03
I would expect that the fact that Ottowa went dark would have the Canadians somewhat *concerned*.
 
 
fluid_state
16:10 / 20.08.03
not at all. I've been expecting this since our province went the California route. Now when Quebec goes dark, I'll panic.
 
 
Not Here Still
18:04 / 28.08.03
London and South East UK are down, apparently:

BBC story here, not that half of Barbelith in the UK will be clicking on it
 
 
Ariadne
18:34 / 28.08.03
It seems to be back up. The tubes were all stuffed - we're lucky to live on one of two lines that were still running. It was spooky on the way home,with noone being allowed on at each station by the look of things. But the BBC (Web site and radio) are saying it's starting to come back. We certainly have power here in East London and the alarm clocks are still at the right time so it must have stayed on here.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
19:25 / 28.08.03
Apparently the power was only out in London for about a half hour but are still out in parts of Kent. Was impressed with Red Ken who used a lot of his time being interviewed to give updates on the state of the tubes and railways. But it just shows you the London-centric news, it's the main item on News 24 tonight.
 
 
Lilly Nowhere Late
19:48 / 28.08.03
Reporting from London, northeast corner, I can verify that we had no power outages at all.

I have that apocolypse feeling.

Should we make a pact to all meet up somewhere if the world falls apart?

The Earth repopulated by Barbelithers? oooooooooo
 
 
sleazenation
20:02 / 28.08.03
I was at Bond st. when the cut hit - and was quick enough to get out of the tube station and onto a bus before most people realised what was happening - i then went to the pub and had a petty good time.

Yay!
 
 
Tryphena Absent
22:04 / 28.08.03
Fate smiled upon me and took me shopping at 6pm instead of going home straight away. If it hadn't I would have been trekking through tunnels on the Bakerloo line. I went over to see Fly and the Seldom Killer and hung around there until half nine, now I'm home after giving everyone on the 205 bus an update on the tube lines and feeling the surreal London crisis spirit... there were so many buses on the roads and the London transport staff were really good! All in all that worked out far better than it should have.
 
  

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