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The Last Ish Of The Ultimates And Why It's Shit.

 
  

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Ethan Van Sciver
05:15 / 15.08.03
I like Millar's writing a lot. It's unfair to classify him in a category, as in , Moore, Morrison, Milligan and Millar. He's vastly better than most comic book writers on his own terms, and I enjoy his books. The latest issue of ULTIMATES is probably what happens when you are trying to write an enormous movie of a comic book, and break it down to 22 page increments. It'll read great in the hardcover, but it's not being portioned properly as individual units.

I'll stick with it. ULTIMATES is still one of the best series going.
 
 
louisemichel
07:28 / 15.08.03
Sorry Ethan, I don't think it'll look great in the Paperback or Hardcover or whatever. It'll look rushed, like "fuck, I need to finish my story in 48 pages and actually I need at least 96 and Bryan Hitch wants to keep his 2 pages spread to draw some totally crappy flying aircraft carriers in the water."

We're in comics format, not movies.
Nonetheless, The Ultimates, even with their qualities (issue 8 is a fucking page turner !) reminds me of a movie : ID4.

Now, as in ID4, even last issue has its moment. Even if I find it conservatist as hell, the "Your country needs you" made me smile. In a good way.
And I'm french, so i'm not particularly touched by US patriotism.
But Millar knows how to handle Ultimate Cap America, that's sure.
He really has all the qualities we see in the Bush Administration.
Ok, that was sarcasm. But true anyway.
 
 
The Natural Way
08:49 / 15.08.03
Yeah, I don't think it'll read great in hardcover, either. It'll still come off as rushed. It IS rushed.
 
 
The Natural Way
09:08 / 15.08.03
But I feel I should add: I've probably been to harsh in this thread. I DON'T think Millar's a penis, I was just a bit annoyed with him. Altho' most of my moans still stand. Yes, Ethan, he IS one of the better writers in mainstream comics, but, sadly, that's not saying a whole lot, is it? Half of me DOES really enjoy Millar's stuff, but he hasn't gone all the way yet. He has yet to grab me by the nuts and make me scream "Yes! YES! Your writing is the Don! Get off my nuts!!AAAAAIIIIIEEEE!" I'm sure he's got it in him - I just want him to get on with it. Knocking the smart-arse superkrunts on the head might just help him get there.....
 
 
Spaniel
11:55 / 15.08.03
One of Millar's biggest faults is that he's a cock-tease. Moments of super-action bogged down all too frequently by tardy plotting and slap-dash characterisation. Also, as has been said, he really does have to outgrow some of those juvenile fascinations.

Loved Ultimates 1 and 8. The rest, well, it ranges from alright to retarded.

On the subject of pacing in the last ish. If you ain't got the space or the time then tell a different story - basic innit.
 
 
The Falcon
12:08 / 15.08.03
But what if 3 issues (say...) of your big story have already been released?

And they were all pretty cool. You'd want to carry on, really.
 
 
A beautiful tunnel of ghosts
19:57 / 17.08.03
Millar's not a penis, but he is a tireless self-publiciser, like Morrison. However, while Morrison's recent interviews are aimed at a broadsheet audience, Millar's remain aimed at a tabloid audience, as Morrison's early interviews were. Morrison and Millar's associations with Craig McGill, a journalist on the Glasgow Evening Times amongst other tabloid newspapers explain the content and tone of their early interviews, but Morrison is aiming now at a different audience, while Millar continues to court what he may consider to be a broader audience.

The relentless publicity surrounding his work serves to promote it in the short term, but over the long term the promotion exceeds the product to create an audience that has become dissatisfied by the cycle of expectation and disappointment accompanying the promotion and publication. Thus desensitised to the hyperbole surrounding the work, the audience then begins to examine the work itself and decides on the value of the work within the context of what Millar is continually telling his audience.

However, the product can never fulfil its promotion, especially when the work is hindered by publication delays that inevitably lead to increased expectation in the audience. Millar appears not to have considered this dichotomy, although Morrison is now more circumspect about how his work is promoted.

*cough*

Having been initially impressed by The Ultimates, I've found that beyond the interesting reinterpretations of the Avengers, I disagreed with the story on several levels, from the underdeveloped characterisation of several characters, including Captain America to the logical flaws in a story which prides itself on its realistic portrayal of superpowers, such as Stark's ability to operate his armour despite drinking heavily and suffering from an incapacitating brain tumour. The repeated reliance on cinematic setpiece sequences misunderstands the medium of comics, especially the office attacks and the continual use of group and individual close-ups and one-liners fail to translate their cinematic abiity to punctuate a sequence in a way that can have audiences cheering.

I felt that the introduction of the Skrull marked the downturn of the series, into a pastiche of popular blockbusters inlcuding The Matrix and Independence Day, although I admit that Millar's casual dismissal of human atrocity as the activity of the universe's immune system angered me and which I feel is a theme which Morrison explores to greater effect in The Filth.

I won't be buying The Ultimates after the disappointment I felt at reading this issue and feel no sense of loss at doing so. Onwards and upwards.
 
 
finger n' thump
20:45 / 17.08.03
you sound like a scottish person I know.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
20:46 / 17.08.03

Daniel Clowes can challenge Moore any day of the week.


Actually, I think it'd be hard for Moore to challenge Clowes. Moore may be better than most comic book writers, but I think that Clowes is a far better writer, and gains quite a bit of ground by virtue of the fact that he is a master of comics illustration in addition to being an incredibly skilled author. There is a continuity of thought and intention that comes from Clowes' total control of his output that makes it hard for Moore to compete, save for the couple of cases in which an artist really meshed with him perfectly, as with Dave Gibbons on Watchmen.

This point is entirely off the tracks in this thread, which is about Mark Millar, who really has nothing to do with either Alan Moore or Daniel Clowes, because they are serious writers/artists, whereas Millar is a TOTAL FUCKING HACK. I'm surprised by this thread, because it seems like you all should have realized how terrible Millar's writing can be a long time ago. Did any of you read his last Ultimate X-Men story? He did more or less the same thing with the pacing - as in, it was all over the place, and the plot suddenly kicks in late in the game without warning or making much sense. So that this would happen in the Ultimates is hardly a shock.

Bryan Hitch needs to get off the Millar train fast.
 
 
Krug
07:19 / 18.08.03
/but I think that Clowes is a far better writer/

No.
 
 
A beautiful tunnel of ghosts
10:43 / 18.08.03
I sound like a Scottish person? Which one?
 
 
Haus of Mystery
12:51 / 18.08.03
Oor Wullie.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
14:06 / 18.08.03
I'll apologize on the behalf of Mr. Clowes for the fact that he hasn't ever written about magic or included the secrets of the universe in any of his comic books. And Mr. Clowes has never written a superhero comic. Sorry.

No, really. Daniel Clowes is a better writer than Alan Moore. Truly.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
14:55 / 18.08.03
But could he take him in a fight?

No. He couldn't.
 
 
houdini
15:16 / 18.08.03
I've actually started a new thread for the great Moore v. Clowes slapdown, as I had quite a lot to say about why I think Flux=wrong.

Please check it out.

Too bad about The Ultimates though. Guess I'll have to go to Borders and read the second trade off the shelves before I decide to buy.

Man, I hate doing that.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
15:24 / 18.08.03
Maybe Daniel should grow a beard, and then other bearded people would like him better.

And Enid Coleslaw should return, and learn magic, and we can deconstruct superheroes!
 
  

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