BARBELITH underground
 

Subcultural engagement for the 21st Century...
Barbelith is a new kind of community (find out more)...
You can login or register.


The Disease that is Popular Magic.

 
  

Page: 12(3)

 
 
—| x |—
11:43 / 14.08.03
One more thing: that's "Not So Sinister" to you, bub!


 
 
Spyder Todd 2008
13:16 / 14.08.03
Right, so, because I accidentally started this debate, and it probably actually belongs in the comic book area, I'm changing the subject just slightly. What I meant was that I don't feel that we could use the traditional western school setting to teach magic. It's too cold and uniform, we'd need a different approach. We'd also need sponsors and such, since this would have to be a private school (that's American, not British)of some sort and I feel that everyone who wants to go should be allowed, regardless of social status. This school could not be for some super-elitist mage masters. The NXM reference was just away of showing what I mean with the school's setup, not with it's agenda. So... yeah. I hope I've closed that debate now....
 
 
Quantum
13:30 / 26.11.03
Oh. My. God.
I have a copy of 'To ride a silver broomstick' (Ravenwolf) and it's even worse than I thought. I haven't looked at it too hard yet but here's a sample bit of nonsense-

Witches are people who;
"Honor all positive religious paths...do not do dumb things like drink alcohol and drive [and who do not] hurt people physically, mentally, spiritually or magically...take illegal drugs...tell lies...get into sexual perversions [or] charge money to work magic"

Hahahahahahahahaha.... *ROFLMAO*
 
 
Quantum
13:34 / 26.11.03
Oh. My. God.
I have a copy of 'To ride a silver broomstick' (Ravenwolf) and it's even worse than I thought. I haven't looked at it too hard yet but here's a sample bit of nonsense-

Witches are people who;
"Honor all positive religious paths...do not do dumb things like drink alcohol and drive [and who do not] hurt people physically, mentally, spiritually or magically...take illegal drugs...tell lies...get into sexual perversions [or] charge money to work magic"

Hahahahahahahahaha.... *ROFLMAO*
 
 
Bard: One-Man Humaton Hoedown
02:53 / 27.11.03
A few various replies to the various posters, and then a few specifics.

I'm with the majority of the posters on the actual usefullness (zero) of teen witch books, though I shamefully admit that I bought a few in my early teenage years (I have one of the Silver Ravenwhatever books around somewhere...really have been meaning to donate it away). By and large the books have mainstreamed and diluted the mystical traditions to a fantastic degree...but, at least as I see it, magic is an act of the Will. While there are some workings that you just can't do from these books, and there's a whole lot they don't talk about that's very useful to learn, they provide a gateway, a keyhole, a glimpse, into magic.

HOWEVER, they're sometimes all that some people can get, at least at first. To give an example: When I was first starting out I was reading trash psychic paperbacks in libraries at the age of 10. I was reading trash Wicca books and paperback copies of the Necronomicon in the back of the Chapters at the age of 14. At 19 I'm working on an interpretation of the Corpus Hermeticum at the University of Toronto (not for class, mind you...we just have a really, really extensive library). The point that I'm trying to make is that there are a lot of people who are looking for magic, but don't have the connections or the resources to find it.

As a previous poster said, if these people are going to become magicians, if they have the will and the desire, then they're going to become magicians whether they're reading "To Ride a Silver Broomstick", "The Corpus Hermeticum", or the Toronto residential phonebook. Magic is magic is magic. Eventually, through education, books, or internet they'll hopefully find a style of magic that works best for them.

This being said, and a previous comment being made, yes I do think of myself as a magician. Why? Becuase I like the word *shrugs*. If you're going to be describing yourself as something, I think you'd best find a word that you think sounds good. No offense, but mage, magus, magician, witch, warlock, whatever...they're all doing magic in the end. Besides...I rather fancy myself in a tuxedo with a tophat. I've always looked good in suits.


[..or the Books of Magic, then Promethea. In fact everyone should read Promethea, it's practically a guide to self-awakening and magick on it's own. I particularly love the scene where Austin Osman Spare, Crowley and John Dee interact with the characters for example, or the whole Thoth/Hermes sequence as they progress up the sephiroth.]-Quantum

I really do have to agree there. Promethea works excellently, I find, as a Hermetic primer (especially the later 2 books during the trip up the Tree of Life).

Then again, I practice something in between Hermeticism and chaos magic, so it may not work for everyone.

Suitcase:

...I find the concept of children and sigils to be strangley disturbing.

*ponders* However it makes some sense, I think. Children already scribble and make up nonsense alphabets. When imbued with meaning, what are those but sigils?
 
 
Bard: One-Man Humaton Hoedown
03:17 / 27.11.03
...bugger, I just realized after posting that there was a second page to this thread.

Ahem.

On two topics here:

1- New X-Men. Frankly I think its some of the better X-Men writing that's been done in years (though I personally prefer the X-Treme X-Men TPB "Mekanix" which is by far the best writing I've seen on the line ever). Never really bothered to look at it from the metaphoric point of view suggested here...may have to go back and re-read it.

2- The Academy. I think that the X-Men style is perhaps one of the closer ones, not so much for the elitist or "save the world" attitude but rather for the focus on individual talents and abilities. I could imagine a small school with perhaps 30-50 students and maybe 10 teachers or so functioning alright. I think the classes would have to be quite general and there'd be a lot of smaller tutorial-style groups to focus on specifics for a given style, path, or tradition, but it could work somewhat.

Another method is a number of smaller schools grouped together by common styles of magic, which in the end is really more just a mass apprenticship program.

...at the same time, though, I do have this incredible fascination with studying in a labyrinthine school of magic with libraries packed with mouldering grimoires, grammaries, and spellbooks. Oooh...and maybe a scriptorium filled with mad monks (though that last part is just for purely aesthetic purposes). But then again, that may just be me.
 
 
Leap
08:20 / 27.11.03
Quantum –

[Cough]

Quote attribution

[Cough]

 
 
Quantum
09:02 / 27.11.03
I do have this incredible fascination with studying in a labyrinthine school of magic with libraries packed with mouldering grimoires, grammaries, and spellbooks Bard
Heh, me too! Ideally Roke..

All credit to Leap for the quote pulled from Ravenwolf (dude, your privacy is not mine to dispense- I wasn't sure you'd want people to know that you have an extensive Ravenwolf collection...*rofl*)
 
 
Leap
10:51 / 27.11.03
Quantum -

Hey, sokay, I also have an extensive Calvin and Hobbes collection - I like comedy
 
 
Leap
10:52 / 27.11.03
Quantum -

Hey, sokay, I also have an extensive Calvin and Hobbes collection - I like comedy
 
 
Leap
11:57 / 27.11.03
Whoa! Glitch in the Matrix!!!!
 
  

Page: 12(3)

 
  
Add Your Reply