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01:36 / 29.07.03

I'm really gonna miss Morrison's New X-Men - perhaps my favourite run on a comic ever. And I'm glad that he's accepted himself when he's finishing, as opposed to being kicked off a book, ala most other writers, nowadays. But that said, I'm thinking of the loose plot threads he'd deliberately established that need to be tied up before he exits:

1) The Phoenix/Jean Grey situation

2) Xorn, and his behaviour re: Angel and Quentin in 'Riot'

3) Mutant Town

4) Manhattan gone, and the school larger, in the future

5) Dust, and her purpose in NXM

6) The Shi'Ar discussion of disinfection of the planet

7) Emma's murderer/Shooter of Sage/Esme's connection

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That's the main things I can think of off-hand. I haven't included things that Morrison has established as non-loose-plot threads (e.g. X-Corps). So, given the loose ends above, and given that we only have 2 possible storylines after 'Assault', those stories being "Planet X" and whatever happens in #152-154.........

I'm sure the Phoenix situation will be covered in Planet X, along with Dust's purpose (see #146 preview), and the Shi'Ar situation, if the latter is even an issue.

It's possible/hopeful that some of Xorn's mysteries, along with Grant's plans for Mutant Town could also be addressed finally, within this 5-issue arc.

That leaves Esme's situation, i.e. Emma's murderer. Will this situation be the main 'opposition' in Planet X? Or will it be dealt with in the 'future' storyline, along with Manhattan being gone, etc?

My main concern is that Grant will leave the book WITHOUT tying up all of the loose ends he had planned, given that we'd originally received word he was going to be on NXM through 2004. Any thoughts on the loose ends above being covered before #154?

Petar

10:51 / 29.07.03

Don't worry.
I'm pretty sure he won't leave a mess of unresolved subplots behind him.

13:32 / 29.07.03

Thanks. Anyone else have thoughts on how/if Grant will tie up his loose ends above?

Petar

A

13:43 / 29.07.03

I think Marvel will tie up all the loose ends like this-

It turns out it was all a dream. That Magneto had.

The Natural Way

13:53 / 29.07.03

1) The Phoenix/Jean Grey situation

Final/post final arc stuff.

2) Xorn, and his behaviour re: Angel and Quentin in 'Riot'

Still not really sure there's anything to clear up here.

3) Mutant Town

Not sure he has to clear up this, either. Is Chinatown in need of clearing up. Just a new toy for future writers to play with. Or not.

4) Manhattan gone, and the school larger, in the future

Final/post final arc stuff.

5) Dust, and her purpose in NXM

Hmmm. We'll have to wait and see. He hasn't left a great deal of time to do anything really meaningful with her. I mean, if she does do something amazing and outrageous it'll be a bit of a let down. We hardly know her.

6) The Shi'Ar discussion of disinfection of the planet

Final/post final arc stuff. The 'disenfection' is the Shi'ar's description of the Phoenix's antics, surely? The *cleansing fire* and all that.

7) Emma's murderer/Shooter of Sage/Esme's connection

We'll know soon enough. Prolly final arc/post final arc stuff.

Regrettable Juvenilia

14:50 / 29.07.03

I don't really see Mutant Town as a plot thread which needs to be tied up either - that's like saying that the rose garden is a loose end...

To be the most obvious loose end is one which is probably never going to be resolved: what was Cassandra Nova's connection to John Sublime? It's possible that John Sublime will be back (after all, one of the U-Men in 'Riot...' at least *believed* he was getting instructions from Sublime, even if it was just the equivalent of a ouija board), hell he could even be the next big bad, but I doubt it. It was implied that Beast actually knows what the connection between Sublime and Cassandra is, and in a vague sense so do we: they've both used Sentinel technology (as does Weapon Plus, interestingly). I figure Morrison isn't really interested in explaining exactly what the connection was, and whether Cassandra was pulling Sublime's strings - he's moved out on to other things, and it's not hugely important, just slightly maddening if you think about it and try to put the pieces together.

Maybe we'll have more fun in this thread if we widen the topic to cover what we think will or won't be covered in the next 11 issues, regardless of whether it *needs* to be 'wrapped up'. Eg, my personal favourite, will Quentin Quire return? It could go either way: Quentin's 'ascension' works fine as an end to the character full stop, or just as an end to the character in terms of Grant's run, but equally he could also return, albeit in some radically changed form. My bet is that if we do see him again, it'll be in the 'future', and merely as an observer...

18:13 / 29.07.03

Hey...did any one mention Xaivier not being the head master any more?? This has got to lead to something good...??

00:27 / 30.07.03

Thanks for the thoughts above.

Skilliant, you seemed to think along mostly the same lines as myself re: when & what things will be tied up. However, I believe there is more to Xorn's issues, as made clear in "Riot" - I'm sure Morrison wants to do something more with his new toy.

As for Mutant Town, the only reason I included that as an actual loose end, is because I read somewhere (Wizard interview, maybe) that Grant actually had/has upcoming plans for Mutant Town. So I was just wondering if/when he'll get to those, though it IS possible in the next arc, I guess.

And Flyboy, that Cassandra/Sublime loose-end always bugged me, too. It was never properly explained, perhaps due to some editorial correction/omission somewhere, I dunno. But like you said, perhaps something in Weapon Plus could connect all the Sentinel stuff together.......

Petar

Matthew Fluxington

04:07 / 30.07.03

It is possible that Grant's 'future plans' for Mutant Town may have just been the Omega Gang's assault on the human gang in Riot. Like Flyboy says, there really isn't anything necessary to develop with Mutant Town - it's just a location. It's not exactly a plot point.

The stuff with Xorn is classic foreshadowing. It will be played out, I assure you.

I think the big question is, will Cassandra be true to her name, and which of her horrible predictions will come true? Personally, I think that she is right that mutants will eventually destroy humanity, and that it is their destiny.

04:26 / 30.07.03

It would seem as though one could look at Silvestri's arc as Morrision's means of resolving his final story within Planet X.... not that that wasn't obvious. Jsut seems like a nice epilogue... how appropo.

08:09 / 30.07.03

What about the speculation of Apocolypse being involed in some big way?? That would be going out with a bang for Morrison...ending the X-Men with the Apocolypse!

08:25 / 30.07.03

What exactly is the Planet X storyline - do we know yet? What's all this GM has said about "destroying" the Marvel Universe - a gag or some convoluted alternative reality thing he's got going?

00:42 / 31.07.03

I believe there's some details on Morrison's upcoming NXM in this week's WIZARD ZERO. I don't suppose anyone would have scans or transcripts..........?

Petar

The Natural Way

09:48 / 31.07.03

He'll definitely be destroying it. Swot the Phoenix does, innit. But, yeah, convoluted alt-reality things ahoy!

Yotsuba & Benjamin!

11:26 / 31.07.03

SPOILERS!

I saw the Wizard Zero stuff (What?) and it looks beautiful. Not too many plot details, but:

- It takes place 100 years in the future, so there's no doubt he really will be destroying the Marvel Universe
- Bad is good. There were panels of evil Nightcrawler/Cyclops hybrids and a giant, possibly cover, image of a good Sentinel (the big kind) and a guy in an X-Jacket and helmet (possibly Cerebra) among the ruins of the X Mansion. There were also Shiar looking things fighting the Nichtclopses (I made that name up).

Long story short: This is Silvestri's best stuff in years. It looks like he stopped drawing Uncanny yesterday and is right back on the horse.

Bring me Manoli!

Regrettable Juvenilia

12:11 / 31.07.03

"What if the real enemy was inside all along?"

Hmmm.

yawn - thing's buddy

19:53 / 31.07.03

now there's an idea!

10:00 / 01.08.03

Can someone scan those Wizard panels.

21:50 / 02.08.03

Scan's posted at CBR http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=69323
Copy and paste at will.

The Photographer in Blowup

19:50 / 04.08.03

About the whole alternate future where Morrison kills MU...

Is it only a coincidence that New X-Men #114 starts with homo sapiens sapiens killing the last remnants of the neanderthal species, and Morrison's last arc involves mutants killing normal humans? The story comes full circle?

It's also ironic (deliberate?) his run starts and ends with Sentinels...

The bastard had it all planned all along...

21:27 / 04.08.03

Check out this week's Lying In The Gutters... apparently NXM will be restarting post-Morrison as.....

...wait for it...

...wait for it...

................... X-Men. .....

....
....

VERY inspired. So much for Gaiman coming on, huh? Whatever... New X Men is a title that is ultimately inherent to the concepts of Morrison, so to pawn off some other writer on "his" title would seem like a cheapening of Big M's run to me, how 'bout u?

X-Men... HA.... wtf, these guys are running out of ideas.

21:29 / 04.08.03

On the upside, Silvestri's preview pics are fucking SEXY, no?

Haus of Mystery

21:42 / 05.08.03

JLA had a fair number of loose ends eh. Ultramarines and Superbia for example - nobody touched those with a shitty stick. And Zauriel/Hawkman and his revamped Hourman all seemed to be carefully exorcised from any DC titles. It seems to me that other writers often can't do Morrisons stuff justice. Xorn for ezample could be written SO badly by other writers. Its like he leaves nice presents for other writers that get left under the tree. Although to be honest I won't be reading NXM after M's run so who cares.

21:53 / 05.08.03

Hourman had 'e's own title for 25 issues. Apparently it was rather good.

I'm just wondering what the point of Dust is going to be.

A

02:18 / 06.08.03

Hourman was pretty damn cool. It wasn't quite Morrison material, but it was a hell of a lot of fun. It probably helped that Tom Peyer seems to be a huge Morrison fan, but still a good writer. He also did a Tomorrow Woman one shot which was pretty decent. Maybe he should take over NewXMen. He'd probably write the Beak okay.

06:30 / 06.08.03

Wasn't Dust a human bomb? She's going to link up with Xorn and destroy the universe to stop Jean Grey from shagging it to death. Or summat.

Regrettable Juvenilia

07:25 / 06.08.03

Dust isn't a human bomb, that was a stupid Wizard rumour. She can turn to, er, dust.

07:57 / 06.08.03

Oh, right. Didn't realize that.

08:00 / 06.08.03

Oh, and apparently Marvel are releasing a book called "Mutant Town", so that's not going to waste.

And I used it in my Epic proposal. So.

08:07 / 06.08.03

Morrison himself has said she'd be Human Bomb-ish, though I forget where or if the idea was jettisoned - it sure looks like it in Ethan Van Sciver's last issue, where Wolverine finds her in a tent with Fantomex and a whole lot of charred bodies.

Hourman is a hidden gem in the superhero vaults - I've rarely been so enamored of a title that I'll spend weeks on end trying to find all the back issues. The days when Mark Waid, Grant Morrison, and Tom Peyer were the JLA Editors are missed.

The Natural Way

10:22 / 06.08.03

He meant that she'd look like THE human bomb. I'm sure someone out there's got a pic they can post.

10:42 / 06.08.03

This Human Bomb:

?

From the Justice Society?

16:39 / 06.08.03

Maybe he just thinks she's the Bomb?

00:31 / 19.08.03

***POSSIBLE SPOILERS....MAYBE****

I've been thinking who this villain 'that isn't who we'd expect' will be (#146)......and after re-reading Germ-Free Generation, I honestly think I'm getting strong ideas about..........John Sublime.

He's the former president of a pharmaceuticals company (Kick, anyone?), he'd have a grudge against Emma for 'killing' him, one of his U-Men found her flaw (Murder at the Mansion?), several times he mentions a 'New World' (as did Esme) and he'd be the height of whoever shot Sage in #140.

Morrison DID say recently that he's been planning this one big story since the beginning of his run, and that there were clues littered throughout it. I honestly think it's highly possible Sublime has something to do with it all.

Only things I'm not sure of, is a connection, if any, that he'd have with sentinel michrotechnology/Weapon Plus, and how he'd figure into the Xorn/Phoenix/Dust stuff that is upcoming.

Any thoughts?

Petar

A

02:37 / 19.08.03

Hey, that guy's right!

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