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The worst fucking set ever (or why Brighton really isn't as cool as it thinks it is)

 
  

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Spaniel
22:17 / 26.07.03
Do you think you have Tru Thoughts when you have Knowledge of Self?
 
 
No star here laces
16:06 / 28.07.03
Heavenly Divine, the God Body, spiritual consciousness, on a higher level blah de blah de fuckity blahhhhhh.
 
 
Star Of The Sea
02:24 / 03.08.03
My band Snowblood are playing Brighton on our tour later this month, at the Freebutt on the 27th of August. Come down and say hi. We'll fucking tear it up Barbelith style
Luke
www.snowblood.com
 
 
Haus of Mystery
14:48 / 03.08.03
What's every one's problem man. Coastal breaks rule.
 
 
Not Here Still
17:07 / 04.08.03
Just to come back and say I totally agree with this thread, I'd just forgotten how annoying this shit is.

The DJ where I was the other night played one of these sets; I was ready to kill fairly quickly. Then he put on a good - if overplayed - tune; California Soul by Marlena Shaw. Only it jumped and he took it off, to put on some more anonymous crap.

Later I went up, cos it was a mate's birthday and we were only in a fucking crappy bar, to ask for Jay Z, or at the least, Beyonce.

'Nah mate, I haven't got any R and B' comes the reply; 'I think that's something to be proud of.'

Arrrgh!

Was tempted to ask for some obsure Northern soul just to piss him off, but in the end just fucked off to the bar instead.

And god yes, this is bloody annoying, I must admit...
 
 
The Natural Way
18:53 / 04.08.03
The DJ at the top of the thread played California Soul, too.

They always play California Soul, these Tru School of Deep Goatee-thoughts people.

And now it's on an advert.

See! See, how they can make me hate a really good tune!
 
 
The Natural Way
18:54 / 04.08.03
And, yeah, they always really hate R&B. It's just not "real hiphop".
 
 
Haus of Mystery
16:55 / 05.08.03
Here is the music I like the most (in order of dopeness):

1) latino breaks
2) phat beatz
3) nu-skool breaks
4) urban flavas
5) electo-tech-sleazecore house
6) Garth Brooks

Stick that in your eclectic pipe and smoke it. Eclectically.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
00:42 / 07.08.03
celebrity, are you by any chance of these shite 'plub' djs?
 
 
The Natural Way
12:41 / 07.08.03
Talking of all things "phat"; did anyone see the Beeb's breakfast show this morning? The presenters were interviewing Maggie Philbin and some young fool who was allegedly some kind of hotline to teenspeak. The young fool went on to explain that "phat" means "rubbish" or "bad and cringeworthy"...... Weeeeeell, have the youth of today caught on? Have they reapproriated the language of their older tru-school-of-Brighton-dreads brothers and sisters in order to make clear their embarrasment at their sibling's overuse of such repugnant terms? Or is the young woman in question just a bit of a cock, and is this just a further reminder that middle class parents should steer well clear of trying to be down with the kids?

Or is Brighton just confused? Does "phat" really mean "bad"?

Has it gone from "bad" to "baaaaaaaaaaaaaaad"
 
 
Haus of Mystery
13:42 / 07.08.03
I am indeed a superstar DJ. Why not pop down to my night 'PhunkeePhreszchhPhlayvaz: The Nu-Tru-Sessionz' at the Clenched Buttocks in Brighton. It's on every night of your miseraqble life. C U there!
 
 
.
15:09 / 07.08.03
Hang on, reading this thread again, it seems that your solution for terrible cliched DJing is... R'n'B? Oh dear. Because R'n'B is like really really underground yeah? It's total stands in opposition to "phat breakz" and boring dance music? [insert sarcastically laughing emoticon here]. Basically you're dissing a load of people for being a bit beard-stroking, elitist and purist about their dance music, but would swap it for something with the same problems, less the beard stroking?
 
 
The Natural Way
15:42 / 07.08.03
No, I'm dissing them for playing the same old shit for seven years and still going on about how worthy it is. And, alright, the other stuff, too.....

I certainly DON'T think R&B is the only solution (altho', I don't really agree with yr summation of it - it's a million times more experimental and interesting than the last Fat Boy record)). I want to see a bit of enthusiasm for all the very exciting shit that's going on out there. Y'know, some actual interest in MUSIC as a living, vital force again, as opposed to the horrid, conservative bent that characterises the Phresh Phlayvazzz scene.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
16:00 / 07.08.03
What the original point of the thread was, was that the choices the 'dj' made were tunes that EVERYBODY has heard a million times, available on any number of bar chillout-style compilations. What was the point of this fool and his decks even being there? No-one was dancing. He wasn't unearthing hidden recorded gems, or playing groundbreaking new discoveries. He wasn't even mixing. He was a piece of bar decor designed to give the pub the requisite 'urban' credentials. It was, quite frankly, horseshit. And I think attacking the complacency of this guy, and his ilk is fair e-fucking-nough. I reserve my right to slag off bollocks, without being called a musiv fascism. And being rude about other people's taste is fun, and I'm sure everyone does it.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
16:02 / 07.08.03
Of course I meant 'music fascist' rather than 'musiv fascism'. I frothed on the keyboard.
 
 
The Natural Way
16:12 / 07.08.03
I think you should change yr name to musiv fascism.
 
 
The Knights Templar Boogie Machine
21:48 / 07.08.03
AH THOSE WACKY ZANY BIG BEAT RECORDS!

When fatboy starts dropping nurse with wound into his sets then i'll be happy!
 
 
C.Elseware
10:00 / 08.08.03
hey chaps, I'm not trolling, but nurse with wound, merzbow and atari teenage riot aren't exactly cutting edge. I like melodyless rythmic and arythmic noise as much as the next 'lither but it's verging on retro now. Not just that, but it's going to really spoil most peoples nights to hear it.

Is it the DJ's job to produce something artistic with real integrity and origionalit, or to make sure that most of the people enjoy themselves most of the night.

If you want a better night, do it yourself. Just be aware that you will lose money.
 
 
The Natural Way
10:19 / 08.08.03
hey chaps, I'm not trolling, but nurse with wound, merzbow and atari teenage riot aren't exactly cutting edge. I like melodyless rythmic and arythmic noise as much as the next 'lither but it's verging on retro now. Not just that, but it's going to really spoil most peoples nights to hear it.

Chaps? What? One guy's suggesting nurse with wound. I'm not suggesting retro AT ALL.

Is it the DJ's job to produce something artistic with real integrity and origionalit, or to make sure that most of the people enjoy themselves most of the night.

Exactly what I'm complaining about. There's nothing "artistic" or "original" about a set consisting of played out, uninspired funk/oooold school hiphop/big beat tunes.

And finally:

If you want a better night, do it yourself. Just be aware that you will lose money.

Celebrity DOES do it himself. As does White Riot And Autopilot. And anyway, regardless of whether or not any of us do, this stuff's still generic, lame toss.
 
 
.
11:42 / 08.08.03
Yep, I do a night myself too, so there's certainly as much trousers amongst us as mouth, so to speak.

Not just that, but it's going to really spoil most peoples nights to hear it.

Wouldn't it be nice to spoil someone's night once every so often? In as much as something that might not be liked by everyone may be loved by a few. OK, so noise really isn't everyone's cup of tea but it's a good example of a love it or hate it kinda thing, in other words, music that inspires a passionate response. (By the way noise is hardly retro though is it? I mean that implies that it's had it's time in the mainstream). Whereas what we're all bitching about here (whether noiseniks or R'n'B-boys) is the mass of music that doesn't inspire passion. Background music. Music played so that the gaps in the conversation are covered while you stand up in bars drinking bottled beer... No-one would argue that the "phat old skool breakz" music is bad exactly, it's just not great, and that's not good enough!
 
 
The Natural Way
12:23 / 08.08.03
Well, that's just it. A lot of it USED to be great, but it's lost so much of its thunder through constant airplay. There's also the horrid, conservative tendency to equate "old" with "authentic/pure/etc". Yucky. Nothing wrong or BAD about new stuff, stupid phatbeater.
 
 
Lea-side
16:10 / 09.08.03
ha! yes, i do run my own nite, and i did play ATRs Too Dead For Me. it did kill the dancefloor. as did Cobra Killer and Swans. but it was funny watching peoples faces. er, thats not very helpful is it?
 
 
Spaniel
00:09 / 10.08.03
But what a great death.
 
 
Not Here Still
13:29 / 10.08.03
Fuck it man, this thread seems to be getting a bit silly.

From what I've heard of Merzbow, I think he's a bit shite. It's true that hearing him - or the Aphex Twin's sandpaper set, or 180 bpm gabba, or Tuvalese throat singing, probably wouldn't make my night, and I don't think people are calling for this to happen either.

Basically, as far as I can see, the argument for these DJ sets is that they keep most of the people listening to them moderately happy, most of the time.

It's the lowest common denominator of cool which I think people are railing against - the idea that, by putting together the sort of set which comprises the new rash of 'bar culture' CDs which they have commodified your drinking experience of a Saturday into, you'll cover most bases, inoffensively.

It comes back to Colonel Sanders again - it's fast food music culture. And, just as KFC are rebranding with chicken salads and shakeable flavours to make the fact that you are buying a mass-produced crock of shit, full of salt and badly processed, poorly-cared for chicken, these sets basically hide the lack of thought which has been put into them by the fact they are 'cool.'

Well, fuck that. Just as I don't want to eat KFC all the time*, I don't want to listen to someone who has a pair of CD decks, some 'old school Samples!' albums and a copy of the Shirley Bassey 'Light My Fire cover.'

Fuck that. I want nasi goreng, calzone, colcannon, burritos and sauerkraut. And I want everything from rock and roll to techno, from punk to blues, when I go out.

I don't want to be fed lowest common demoinator crap, just because it will keep most people happy.

(*; actually, I don't want to eat KFC at all, as I'm vegetarian. And they're wankers. But you see what I mean. Oh, and the adverts annoy the fuck out of me, too...)
 
 
No star here laces
07:54 / 11.08.03
"Niggers like chicken... Hey! Let's use that in an ad!"
 
 
The Falcon
13:13 / 12.08.03
On seeing Not Me's post above, I'm reminded of seeing Afrika Bambataa talking about the DJ sets he used to do, where he'd mix-up a bit of Parliament with AC/DC and so on. I'm unaware of anywhere or anyone doing stuff like that. So homogenised.

Been some places where the DJs warm-up with hip-hop and r'n'b, and then move to techno and so on after everyone'd taken their pills, and that was quite nice. Mind you, the one place that did that in the 'Dee is closed now. Baws.
 
 
No star here laces
14:24 / 12.08.03
Actually, I think all this 'eclectic' stuff is bollocks. Shit pub djs always think they're being eclectic and chucking in a 'bit of everything' which usually means the usual fucking suspects e.g. "Once in a lifetime", "Seven nation army" and fucking Beenie Man. Ooh, wasn't that adventurous?

I'd much prefer to hear someone take an aesthetic and thoroughly explore it - that's what DJing is about - showing connections between records that people hadn't spotted, drawing people deep down into the logic of your taste. I like being sucked into a constant beat and getting to that elusive state of deep concentration that music can give you when carefully mixed. When people are eclectic, they're usually obvious. But when they're getting into their idea of a genre, that's when they confound your expectations. Like Jeff Mills dropping "funkytown" or the dancehall dj I heard the other day playing "Informer".
 
 
The Natural Way
15:21 / 12.08.03
I agree, almost entirely. Previously, eclecticism was becoming a byword for "trip hop". It may, in large part, be responsible for the rash of phat beat nights I'm complaining about now.

But I do enjoy the nu-eclecticism that's emerging at nights like "It Cam From The Sea".

Now, if only we could do something about that shitty, oh-so-quiet soundsystem.
 
 
Not Here Still
18:18 / 12.08.03
Well I've just ranted elswhere on barbelith, so I'm calm now. No ranting.

Just to clarify; personally, I'm all up for eclectism, but I wasn't actually arguing for that in my last post; I'd be fine listening to 'pure' blues set/ ska set/ techno set on a night out; what I was saying was it'd be nice to hear different things rather than 'bar culture' old skoool sets. (Oh, and by the way; which old skool exactly? That's not how it was done back in the day - ask Bambataa)

As far as eclectic sets go, at the mo people like 2manydj's (or Optimo in Glasgow) are going the right way, I'd say - but give it two years and they'll be the new orthodoxy to kick against.
 
 
Spaniel
18:36 / 12.08.03
Whilst I agree with much of what you are saying, a truly imaginative, thoughtful eclectic set can be still be a joy.

Exploring inter-genre connections and musical difference/dissonance certainly has "good time for all" potential.
 
 
Spaniel
18:37 / 12.08.03
Last post got there too late.
 
 
Haus of Mystery
21:20 / 12.08.03
DJ's went wrong when they stopped having flashing lights on the front of their systems. The DJ at my old youth club had a gammy leg, chain smoked Benny's and tried it on with thirteen year olds. Now that's eclectic!
 
 
rizla mission
08:54 / 13.08.03
From what I've heard of Merzbow, I think he's a bit shite.

That is just .. so gloriously true.

He's such a grumpy fucker - "no fun for you kids! Have another 28 minutes of blood-curdling formless industrial death shrieks!"

And, y'know, it's CONFRONTATIONAL ART! As opposed to the sound of him mowing his lawn fed through a distortion pedal.

Although I guess he does do all that crazy stuff like releasing his new record in the form of a concrete house with a big speaker in it or whatever the hell it was.. I suppose that betrays a certain sense of humour..
 
 
illmatic
09:14 / 13.08.03
Threadrot. So what?

I heard that Merzbow released a one off CD installed in the CD player of a brand new mercedes. The car came free with the CD but the CD was about 50,000 quid.How cool is that?
 
 
Not Here Still
16:45 / 14.08.03
Oh, I thought that was pretty damn cool, and one of the reviews I had read mentioend Cornelius as similar. So I thought I'd try listening to Merzbow's music.

From what I've heard so far - I'm still hoping to listen to his music. Boom, and indeed, boom.

The DJ at my old youth club used to breakdance on the floor during records. The records were mainly 'The Birdie Song' or 'Agadoo'
 
  

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