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The worst fucking set ever (or why Brighton really isn't as cool as it thinks it is)

 
  

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The Natural Way
17:02 / 05.07.03
It's been a couple of weeks since I had the misfortune of hearing the worst set ever, but I still can't get it out of my system. Celebrity and I were boring the pants off his girlfriend (and perhaps everybody in the room) by going on about it.....and now it's your turn.

Lucky you.

First of all: a little disclaimer. This is totally context dependent and whether or not you get what I'm ranting about probably relies on you being at least vaguely, well, British.

But if you do get it, I'm sure you'll understand.

Or at least you should.

Sooo.... It's Saturday night and we're all enjoying a pint and winceing at the DJ.

Why?

Well most people here are familiar with my lunatic ravings concerning the incredibley safe, student-y music scene in Brighton. It seems you can't escape the happy, 'OOOOOOOOold Skool' refrains of Jurassic 5 wafting out of every bloody window....and all the clubs hammering out endless fucking funk and 60's soundtracks and...ahem....*fresh breaks* - and I hate this shit. But, y'know, inspite of all my grouching I never expected to walk into a venue that played non-stop, back-to-back Brighton cliches all night. Oh, how wrong I was....

This guy, fuck knows who he was, probably still refers to his decks as 'the wheels of steel' and he was filling the pub with nothing but funky breaks, eighties hiphop and 70's funk, 60's spy tunes and fucking 'Last Night a DJ Saved my Life'. The HORROR! It got to the point where I couldn't actually hear the music anymore, I knew each tune so well. Honestly, I could predict the whole set before hearing it!

Why do I hate it so? Why is it so wrong?

Because Brighton has been resting on its Big Beat Laurels since 1996, that's why. Its been churning out the same unimaginative crap for 8 years now. 8 years! It's so safe, so dull and so WHITE. I'm not going on about how black I am here or anything like that, but, and I know I've said this before, there's something almost...errr...racist about the way modern black music that hasn't been given the white-boy nod is simply ignored or dismissed as 'crap'. It's the same fucking thing that happened with jungle (now all the nice kiddies like it, but it took YEARS!). Combine this with the sheer lack of imagination, played-outness and overall flatness of this approach, well, I submit to you that there's no excuse for this shit!

And there's also the fact that it Just. Isn't. Cool.

It's actually depressing to imagine how regressive and narrow minded these people's music tastes are. They're the sort that will tell you stuff like JZ isn't 'real hiphop'.

God, it was awful, and his be-dreaded mates were all head-nodding and urrgh.

Now, I know this is going to get up Flux's nose, but you have to understand, laddy, this stuff is like resurrecting a corpse over here. Really it is. And if I owned a pub, I wouldn't dream of subjecting my punters to it.

Phat beats?

No thanks and fuck off.

Let's all have an argument about it.
 
 
The Natural Way
17:05 / 05.07.03
There's a popular DJ in Brighton called 'School of thought'.

Yes. That's right. School of Thought.
 
 
Not Here Still
17:13 / 05.07.03
I do like The Go! Team, and they're from Brighton.

Sounds like a bit of a crap set - not so much bad as just, well, inoffensive. And who wants innoffensive?

That said, in most pubs up here in Wrexham, if there is Saturday night music, it will be DJ Sammy and his big synth chord versions of 80s soft rock. Or similar.

So count yourself lucky in one way - your crap is better than my crap.
 
 
The Natural Way
17:41 / 05.07.03
Inoffensive is the worst kind of crap, though. Music should at least conjure some sort of feeling, don'cha think?

Of course there's good music in Brighton (It Came From The Sea and Sabbath have great music policies), but there should be more. Esp when Brighton sells itself as one of the cool places to go. It isn't a patch on London.
 
 
Spaniel
11:24 / 06.07.03
There is a point where inoffensive becomes offensive. There is a point where music becomes so bland and so predictable it becomes absence.

The thing is Wrexham doesn't have a reputation for being coooll. Brighton does. Brighton is completely fucking in love with itself. It's getting like an old slapper who gets up in the morning, piles on the make-up and looks in the mirror only to see herself at 20.

By the by, I do in fact love my home town. It just that I find it has certain utterly objectionable qualities.
 
 
Gary Lactus
12:07 / 06.07.03
Positively the worst thing about mediocre "pre club Bar" "sounds" and "tunes" is the fact that they are invariably played at a volume which actually inhibits social interaction. Conversation can only take place effectively with people next to and opposite you due to the chronic noise pollution. It's not like people are dancing or anything.
My dad (and myself on occasion) has taken to disconnecting the nearest speaker in order to relieve the extreme discomfort of having your space so offensively invaded. A slightly more radical technique involves taking a can of hairsray to the offending speaker. This inhibits the movement of the cone, thus dulling and quietening the shit being spewed up your ears. This technique requires stealth, and is only really worth the risk in a favourite local, as the effects are long term.
 
 
.
12:11 / 06.07.03
Inoffensive is the worst kind of crap, though. Music should at least conjure some sort of feeling, don'cha think?

AYE TO THAT!

I have to say that I utterly utterly concur with these sentiments. I don't know how bad Brighton is, but if it's anything like London, then really it is enough to make a grown man cry. I never want to hear another bloody funk-"old-skool"-ninjatune-fucking-dinner-party-breaks set again. It seems that all DJs are paid to do is stick within a nice safe genre (dinner-party-breaks or deep-tech-plod-house or cheesy-aint-it-fun-pop), providing just enough background noise to fill the gaps in the punters inane conversations without disturbing them from the all important task of buying drinks. The music is just all so polite, so "nice", so inoffensive. Where's the excitement, where's the rock'n'roll?

Really though I think that there's a greater problem here... I mean if it was just a case of people hearing this sort of bland shit when they were out, that's one thing... But traditionally the function of the DJ has been to expose listeners to new music- in fact I'd say the DJ used to be one of the most important channels for discovering new stuff. So what happens when the DJs play it safe and stick with a load of easy tunes, stuff that people already own? Couple that with the fact that the radio aint much help, and the music press could work harder too, and what do you end up with? Another thousand years of mediocre and unchallenging (but ever so well-produced) crap... A millennium of Moby.

A while back I had a great idea for making the lives of these jobsworthy DJs a little more interesting. A way of registering our discontent with being spoonfed the same old tunes again and again- a campaign called "Storm the DJ booth". Conceptually I love the idea of just taking seige of the DJ booth in one of these nice bars and shoving on a bit of Kid606 or Merzbow or Atari Teenage Riot. Shame I'm too terrified to do it in real life.
 
 
The Natural Way
17:43 / 06.07.03
Yes! Storm the booth!

Aaaah, but in London you really can find loads of wicked nights and gigs etc. You can't in Brighton.

funk-"old-skool"-ninjatune-fucking-dinner-party-breaks

Ooooh, I fucking love that. Dinner Party, indeed! It's like stuff for old fart Guardian readers, or something.

I'm actually thinking of thumping the next kid who hands me a flyer with 'BREAKS' written anywhere on it.
 
 
The Natural Way
17:45 / 06.07.03
Remember: School. Of. Thought.
 
 
Spaniel
18:23 / 06.07.03
Fraely's talking about plubs.

Is it pub? Is it a club? Who knows! It sure is shit!

Can there be anything worse than a Funkrassic 5 set playing full volume when you're trying to talk to mate you haven't seen for 6 months - or, come to think of it, five minutes.
 
 
rizla mission
20:02 / 06.07.03
I think I want .'s hand in marriage for the above post.

also:

Positively the worst thing about mediocre "pre club Bar" "sounds" and "tunes" is the fact that they are invariably played at a volume which actually inhibits social interaction. Conversation can only take place effectively with people next to and opposite you due to the chronic noise pollution. It's not like people are dancing or anything.

too fucking right!

I hate those fucking places! Why can't people my age just go to normal fucking pubs where talk is possible? What kind of fucked society do we live in when 'night out' comes to equal standing still in silence for hours paying through the nose to drink watered down beer and listening to Shitty Non-metal Wiener Music(tm)at ear-hurting volume...?

fuck this shit, man!

Even the most limited toleration of Moby is fucking unacceptable!!
 
 
Gary Lactus
22:26 / 06.07.03
I think what's needed is variation within sets. DJing has become, (within its' own bubble) an excersise in matching beats. It's easier to mix one piece with another that sounds similar. This has fed the culture in such a way that genres are often defined by the thin bandwidths of their constituent parts (BPM, placement of predominant beats, tonality, etc.). All this streamlining becomes boring to anyone but the damaged and these thinnest of threads must surely wither at some point. Sets covering a truly wide variety of musics will break this up. I reckon. Y'know, something for everyone.
 
 
Gary Lactus
22:46 / 06.07.03
THIS IS BOBOSSBOY AND NOT FRAELY, BUT I'M OVER HIS HOUSE AND CAN'T REMEMBER MY PASSWORD SO...

too fucking right!

too fucking right!
 
 
No star here laces
07:44 / 07.07.03
Aaaahhh. I spent the weekend dancing my arse off on loads of drugs to really good music in really good london clubs. I didn't hear a single 'breaks' record in all that time.

Take that, Brighton SUCKAAAAAAS...

But seriously, this problem won't go away - for as long as there are people who can gather 20 mates together to listen to whatever they happen to play, the shit pub dj will continue to haunt us.

Mp3s may make the situation even worse as any fucker can get in on the act now.
 
 
Gary Lactus
11:33 / 07.07.03
Mp3s have enabled White Riot and his bunch of any old fucker chums to play such varied sets at It Came From The Sea. Like the Phil Collins album title, it Cuts Both Ways.

Phil Collins. Which toe is Phil Collins? I usually say the big toe but I think he looks more like the next one along these days. Depends on the foot I suppose.
 
 
Bear
12:29 / 07.07.03
Gotta wonder though, why don't you just leave I mean if everyone there hates the music they should just go somewhere else surely they would get the idea and change he music to something that people want to hear, no?
 
 
No star here laces
12:31 / 07.07.03
Fair dos. Vinyl elitism still rules, though.

But basically the bigger the city the better the clubs, innit? Because in a small town you have to bland it out to get the punters in, whereas in the big bad metropolis there are enough people around that you can pack a place out even playing obscure/specialist music.
 
 
suds
13:32 / 07.07.03
psi, do you dj? i don't know much about this stuff even though i live in brighton, i'm not really into any of it.
 
 
.
14:30 / 07.07.03
Gotta wonder though, why don't you just leave I mean if everyone there hates the music they should just go somewhere else surely they would get the idea and change he music to something that people want to hear, no? Bear

Yeah, that'd be true, but aint no-one really wanting to leave but myself... Basically it's that sort of situation where you're going to meet all your mates somewhere and they suggest the local "plub" (very tasty word that, it really should be some sort of pastry-based snack) precisely because it is so *inoffensive*.

in the big bad metropolis there are enough people around that you can pack a place out even playing obscure/specialist music. East Croydon Shoelaces

True, but an interesting music policy seems to be mutually exclusive with non-broken furniture and pints that don't have scum floating in them. Yes, I'm refering to the Foundry et al here. Apparently places with working sofas and clean pints don't have to try so hard, which entails the more mainstream musical agenda.

Plus, it's surprising that out of a city of 6 million plus it's still tricky to get fifty people out to hear your avant-garde laptop noise night. But that's probably because out of a city of 6 million people, at least fifty of them are actually running their own avant-garde laptop noise nights in competition with your own.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:45 / 07.07.03
I always find there to be working seats and scum-free pints at The Foundry - but maybe they just like me there.
 
 
No star here laces
15:19 / 07.07.03
It's because you don't try so hard...
 
 
moriarty
15:51 / 07.07.03
Damn. I like at least half of the music you kids are talking about.

I'm with Ultimo. Stay home. Read a book instead.
 
 
The Natural Way
16:29 / 07.07.03
Could leave, but, as . points out, I'm hardly likely to convince everyone else to follow purely on the strength of my hating.

And, anyway, the place down the road'd probably be just as bad.

Suds: I don't DJ, no - not since I was 17 and my mates flogged my decks for some weed. But have always been surrounded by DJ mates and, I tell you this, that evil fucker at Pub t'other night played a set IDENTICAL to the mix-tapes me DJ chums were churning out 6 or 7 years ago.

I mean, it was bizzare!

Mori: I don't think my grouching has much to do with whether or not you like J5. Yr not a *cool* Brighton pub/club/bar.

School of Thought.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
17:20 / 07.07.03
It's weird, Runce, I kind of agree with 90% of what you're saying in this thread but I still can't quite agree with what I feel is the complaint as a whole. I guess the thing is that I can relate to what you're saying on a musical basis, and I've been saying it for ages (this is me, Mr "beard-hop is conservative and often racist; James Lavelle = worse than Stalin") but not on a social one... Maybe because when I meet people just for drinking and chatting, it tends to be somewhere where there is no music or the kind I can tune out, and then when I go out to listen to music, I've been very lucky recently (It Came From The Sea, LO-RES and Detournment in Brighton; Pottymouth in London). Or maybe it's because I'm not sure where the whole "cool" thing comes into it (or rather - I think I know, but I think I'm thinking of it slightly differently than you are, and I could be misreading you, but I can't articulate it - let me come back to this).
 
 
autopilot disengaged
21:19 / 08.07.03
aww...

just wanted to say thx to all of y'all that said nice things about It Came from the Sea. is appreciated. i am one all-over body blush. my genitals, especially.

hey, psi - d'you know you were the very very first person to dance at the nite? that's going on yr grave, man - even if i have to murder you in order to ensure i can do it personally (actually - 'murder' is such an ugly word - let's go for 'make you all sleepy' instead).

it's weird, y'know - a lot of my friends run these new-wavey, electroclashy, post-everything nites - 'detournement', 'chicks with decks' etc... a definite cliquey, elitist strata that basically constitutes my social circle... and i think being exposed to such a bunch of DIY creatives / unrepentant fashionistas has completely recast my expectations of what constitutes *cool* around here... i guess i only patronise about four or five clubs - and they all tend to be run by friends, and frequented by people who won't blanch at my make-up.

for whatever reason, brighton hip-hop nites - like their indie equivalent - are trapped in amber and loving it. meanwhile, we play neptunes/timbaland et al alongside mutant popclash punky electro etc - and it's maybe a sign of just how despised uninspired breakz are that it's taking a while to win our adience over to dancefloor R&B... but it'll happen.

oh, and fraely - white riot may be rollin' with the click, but not ICFTHS - he runs 'sabotage', over at the core club.

i terminate this mssg by reminding you all the six-month miniversary of It Came from the Sea is this coming friday. i'll mail relevant peeps details.
 
 
The Natural Way
10:10 / 09.07.03
The R&B dancing problem prolly boils down to the fact that yr night doesn't readily offer itself up for definition. The indie kids get confused by the funk, the breaks kids get confused by the pop, the techno kids tut and moan about how it's 'just not hard enough'.....

Six and Marlowe have a similar prob with Sabbath. People either find it too difficult/experimental/whatever or, y'know, not difficult/experimental/whatever enough.

But then the only thing I can't stand dancing to is *uplifting house*. Don't get me wrong, I love house, but *uplifting house*...urrgh. Could anything be less uplifting? Yeah ,yeah, there's the odd classic (I second 'It's alright, I feel it' - what an AMAZING tune), but largely.....
 
 
The Natural Way
10:14 / 09.07.03
Actually

NuYorican Soul - "It's alright, I feel it"

Download it and work it into yr set!

Masters at Work show us how it's done.
 
 
lord nuneaton savage
11:17 / 09.07.03
And on the subject of Sabotage... Tonight!(Wednesday) The Core Club! Sabotage! Live band the mighty YETI!!!
£3
Thank you
 
 
Spaniel
11:47 / 09.07.03
i'll mail relevant peeps details

Could you mail me?

I'd like that. ICFTS is good and deserving of love.
 
 
suds
16:24 / 09.07.03
god, i have to go to it came from the sea. i feel like i'm missing out & those boys must hate me!
 
 
autopilot disengaged
19:06 / 09.07.03
we don't hate you.

'cause you're coming down this time and (you see where) that'll be cool, so - (i'm going with this) - we'll see you there... (don't you?) yup, it sure will be good to finally (don't) see (make) suds rockin' (us) the ballroom (hate) all the way live (you).
 
 
Gary Lactus
08:12 / 10.07.03
Whoops, sorry about the identity mix up, Autopilot and White Riot. I thought somebody told me you'd changed your name, perhaps I dreamt it or something. Christ, do I dream about Barbelith? Hmmm...
 
 
The Natural Way
09:51 / 25.07.03
Aaah, but we've got some more-worst-set-evers for you! And this time above Sabbath! Breakin'-fucking-bread. Jeeeheeeeesus! What the fuck is this monstrosity doing on the middle floor of the Ocean Rooms on the same night as Mr. Six and co. I feel like I'm being stalked by a gaggle of Addidas shell-toes!

As I made my way through the room, checking out the crisp white shirts, the baggy hip-hop gear and OOOOOOOOOOOOOLD SKOOOOOOOL hands in the air atmo, I suddenly had a vision of the same crowd in their forties enjoying finest phat-beats around the dinner party table.... And I nearly puked (well, not really).

These bastards are robbing early hip-hop of all its thunder and power and it makes me want to scream. They're turning it into something tasteful to read the Guardian to.

Frusspig!
 
 
The Natural Way
09:54 / 25.07.03
I know I'm still going on about it, but IT'S still going on...and on....and on....and on....and on....and on...and on....till the break o' dawn.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
23:45 / 25.07.03
Just wanted to mention another eg of mingingly-monikered (coz alliteration's cool, innit?) Brighton Breakzlife , this time a record label:

Tru Thoughts.

That's right. We're too hip to spell. But we're real deep, man. Oh, and soulful, yeah.

Fuck OFF.


(Oh, and this thread has been v.useful I thought White Riot was Mr.Six. Tres confusing. Too many brighton hipsters, too little time....)
 
  

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