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Whisky Priestess
14:06 / 25.06.03
... as in "I think I'll tsay in bed till 11" and "I think I'll write a novel/become a pop star one day"
 
 
Mr Messy
14:53 / 25.06.03
How did I forget this though. I get free drugs at work. Thats got to be good anyway you look at it.
 
 
w1rebaby
15:22 / 25.06.03
So do I, but they're not fun drugs.
 
 
mondo a-go-go
15:39 / 25.06.03
I handed in my notice last week.

17 days left, la la la
 
 
Whisky Priestess
16:28 / 25.06.03
The drawback of reception work being that, when no-one is prepared to cover you for fifteen fucking minutes because they're "too busy", you can go the entire day without eating.

Cunts.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
18:08 / 25.06.03
I dunno, all this business about having a 'career portfolio' (i.e. having had to switch between numerous jobs because no sodding business treats its employees properly any more) - it just makes me terribly tired. The same sort of feeling as having to move house every single year.

Word to this. I'm currently facing the prospect of jobhunting again - possibly the thing I enjoy least in the world - and though I have three months until I leave my current job, two of those will in all likelihood be extremely busy and I know how quickly that time could go... Plus, I don't know what I want to do - something that pays as much if not more than this job, and lets me Barbelith occasionally, and doesn't stress me out at all... Erm. Ever get that feeling you took a wrong turn somewhere in the past four years?
 
 
that
18:15 / 25.06.03
The thing that worries me most in the whole world, and the only thing that I still get suicidal impulses over, seeing as I've, at least temporarily, grown out of obsessing over love, is that I might never find a job I really love. Few people do, I suppose, but that seems so thoroughly wrong to me - just unbearable.
 
 
Spaniel
08:42 / 26.06.03
Where's Leap in all this? Surely there's a bunch of people here who need a good dose of starvation.
 
 
pomegranate
13:24 / 26.06.03
personally, i'm a slapper, so it's a good thing that i have a job so that people don't have to support me and my slapping ways.
 
 
spidermonkey
14:05 / 26.06.03
I love work!
But then I dress up as various animals to amuse small children for a living!
Wish it paid better though....
 
 
Ariadne
14:54 / 26.06.03
I mostly like my work. It gets a bit stressful some days, a bit boring on others, sometimes the two things simutaneously, but as jobs go, it's pretty good. A job, to me, is the way I pay for my life. Obviously it'd be lovely to find something you really loved but so long as you don't actively hate it you're doing pretty well.

The whole anti-work thing seems a bit odd to me. Unless you're born rich, it's going to take a degree of effort to clothe, feed and shelter yourself, yes? That effort could be put into so many things: growing crops round my house to eat, and weaving my own cloth, or into stealing off other people, or into writing articles about the growth in shipments of LCD screens ... they're all 'work' and I know which one I prefer.

I'm obviously a product of my Scottish presbyterian upbringing, now I read this over!
 
 
Persephone
15:37 / 26.06.03
It's really interesting to read everyone's responses. I always sort of think of life as this box full of pieces & people put their pieces together in ways as different as, I dunno, as a flower is different than a car. I just want to go around asking people, How did you make that?

For example, I'm well-detached from my work ("werk"). I don't love it & I don't care that I don't love it. I don't hate it, though. I've had jobs that I've hated & I quit them.

Then I wonder if I could really love something that I was getting paid for. Because now that I think about it, not getting paid seems specific to the other work that I do. Which I do love. I'm not promoting this as The Way, just as a workable option.

But then, how is this workable for me? I don't have to work 70 hrs/wk to make ends meet. Lots of people do, but then lots of people just deal with that in their own way.

My dad has in his workshop this little plaque that says, "Work fascinates me. I can sit and look at it for hours." Which is pretty funny, because he's been unemployed for my whole life.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
15:56 / 26.06.03
That's Jerome K. Jerome, isn't it? Three Men in a Boat...
 
 
HCE
16:47 / 26.06.03
Whisky Priestess writes: The drawback of reception work being that, when no-one is prepared to cover you for fifteen fucking minutes because they're "too busy", you can go the entire day without eating.

Cunts.


And another thing -- what benefit do people expect to derive from being rude to receptionists? While I may not have the power to tell you (to your face) to go fuck a leprotic chicken, I do have the power to lose your resume, forget to let anybody know you're waiting, delete your appointment from the calendar, and run out of parking validation stamps.

Cunts indeed.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
16:59 / 26.06.03
When I used to do a lot of work with GP practice teams, the receptionists were always easy to spot. As the gatekeepers of GP time, they had been fairly toughened up by the general, grumbling, surly public. If I was trying to pitch a major change in the way the surgery ran something, they would be the hardest group to win over. But, having done so, they would be far and away the most bloody useful at working out how to achieve the ends desired in a practical and sensible way.

Their very assertive front had been hard won dealing with all the crap flung at them by streams of sick and grumpy people on the front desk. And when you hear about violence to NHS staff or GP practice staff, remember they're the ones who get the most verbal and physical abuse.

Why, indeed, would anybody be foolish enough to diss the reception staff? They must be wooed if you want their assistance, for it is a mighty boon and theirs to withhold. They could really make you suffer if you piss them off.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
20:24 / 26.06.03
In fact, may I revise my previous statement: trying to find a job is much worse than having to move house every twelve months, because at least in the latter case you don't have to explain to your prospective landlord exactly why you are so enthusiastic about the opportunity to dwell in his stinky cess-pit of a room. Gods. I hate it.
 
 
Persephone
21:00 / 26.06.03
I don't know this Jerome K. Jerome. Is it something good?
 
 
pomegranate
21:02 / 26.06.03
fred, don't forget the other issue w/reception is being the messenger that gets, if not killed, flogged verbally. like it's *my* fault she hasn't called you back. yes, that's it, i told her specifically not to call you!
 
 
Whisky Priestess
07:44 / 27.06.03
Flyboy: Ever get that feeling you took a wrong turn somewhere in the past four years?

All the time, babe, all the time.

I love how this thread is becoming a Beginner's Guide to Reception - probably because with the rubbish job market a lot of people have to temp and it's one of the easiest jobs to get (if not keep) for girls. The blokes' equivalent is security guard or night watchman. But always keep the receptionist sweet, that's definitely a good idea.

* Pet hate alert *

And don't for Christ's sake open the conversation with "you sent me a letter" or "you called me". Unless you are the receptionist's mum, the sender or caller was most definitely not the receptionist and the implication is that you are going to hold said receptionist responsible for the content of the letter/call. Plus it's a stupid, lazy, inaccurate thing to say.

Also, don't mither on about nothing without clearly stating either what you want or who you want to speak to. Especially not in an incomprehensibly thick accent. The receptionist is not your spouse, or your psychotherapist, and is not paid to listen to your tedious burblings. Ze is paid to put you through to the right person as quickly as possible in order to be free to take the next call.

* end of pet hate *

I should add that due to my looong experience as a temping receptionista (some of it in the NHS - yes folk, £6 an hour for verbal abuse behind a bulletproof screen. It was the people from the mental health and addiction unit upstairs, too, so most of the time it was tought to reason with them ..) I always now try to make friends or at least not directly insult/accuse people in call centres, because basically I genuinely feel sorry for them. After all it's not they who are providing a shitty service, cutting off your phone, messing up your bill or whatever - it is is other nameless and untraceable employees of the greedy ubercorp, and you will never find them so you might as well not bother trying.

What you should never do (what I try never to do) is take it all out on the person at the other end of the line. The way I see it is that we're both being shafted by the ubercorp - me by the bad service and ze by being paid minmum wage to sit in a call-centre listening to me whinge. I will usually rant about the rubbishness of their employer (which they must know more about than me) but make it clear that I know it's not their fault. I don't imagine that this endears me to them much more, (although they obviously can't side with me thanks to call monitoring, although I often hope and think they secretly do, having worked in call centres myself) but at least I'm not blaming them for everything.

Er .... where was I? Oh yes, work. The cabaret last night was paid in kind (free drinks) and I have to say that was the most fun work I've done in a while, apart from the acting job where I got to dress up as a Georgian tart. Basically it's work if someone pays you for it, isn't it, and if it isn't ... well, it's just a hobby. And you're not a "professional" whatever until you can support yourself from the income you make in that field. Which is why I am still a professional temp and only a jobbing writer/actor, and why most actors I know are really professional waiters. Your job is certainly not what you are, but sometimes it sure feels like it, in a bad way.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
20:36 / 09.07.03
As a poxy, feckless student who has recently returned to the office (yesterday) I can report that work is indeed absolutely miserable when it's pointless, uncongenial, and apparently designed to make one feel incompetent from the word go. I am praying things get busier very quickly (and that I pick up the proprietary spreadsheet skills quickly, or I'm going to look like a noodle). Thank goodness this is only a two month contract.

Why is it that large corporations seem always to be so much worse to work for than small businesses? They are so joyless. There are 700 people on the site where I am working (which is, for maximum pleasure, slap bang next to the park-and-ride) and I haven't heard anyone laugh yet.
 
 
Mazarine
20:49 / 09.07.03
How can these people make me so angry? I absolutely hate the person I'm becoming at my job. I'm just this big impatient irritable ball of nerves from an hour after I arrive until I get home. Hate, hate, hate. Haaaaate. Haa-ate. Hate.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
12:51 / 10.07.03
Whisky - worse than "you did xyz" etc is surely "you people did xyz". "You people sent me a letter", "you people have kept me waiting since 1976", and so on. I want to say yes, me people. Me people, you moron.

But I could go on for hours about the pain and hilarity of phone-monkey work. Don't get me started...

Brief favourite example of shooting the messenger and Catch-22 absurdity: if a caller has posted something to us and it hasn't arrived yet, then they think it's our fault. But if we've posted something to them and it hasn't arrived yet, that's also our fault. How does that work?
 
 
The Last Telephone
16:39 / 10.07.03
My life starts at 5pm - or whenever I finish up for the day. Sadly, that means an awful lot of living to fit into a small period of time but I've managed to get myself into a mindset whereby the weekends are actually holidays; otherwise I'd spend the entire two days worrying about homework (Sundays do still do that to me, despite the fact that I left school 12 years ago), wondering if my mother has boiled the chlorophyll out of the cabbage yet and listening to Pick of the Pops.

I spent a good few years after uni working in factories and in admin positions (which, despite the crap pay are great for learning about how organisations work - you can see the arselicking and watch the pricks at work and what have you without having to participate in it) until I did a 10 week evening course at a local college and managed to get a job doing what I actually wanted to do.

Having said that, I've had to post this from home as my employers block almost every website except for our own, the bastards.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
17:04 / 10.07.03
I'm very taken with this Guardian article - it has flaws, but it says many things about the job I do which need saying:

The majority of writers live on less than the cleaners who mop the publishers' toilets. According to the most recent Society of Authors survey, two-thirds earned less than half the national average wage and half earned less than the minimum wage. Yet the creative industries of which they are the foundation - film, TV, theatre and publishing - generate some £60bn a year in revenue.
 
 
Adam Shame
17:43 / 10.07.03
Well Nick, I guess I am not going to quit my day job. That was the least encouraging bit of news for aspiring writers I have ever heard.

Writers are certainly the "bitches" of the film and television industry.

Why does this conjure up images of Barton Fink?
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
18:02 / 10.07.03
Oh, now I feel like a monster, but I'm going to say it anyway:

This is not an excuse not to try to get published - and you'll note this article deals largely with scripts for theatre and film in the UK.

You are quite right though that quitting the day job on the expectation of plenty from a writing career is probably unwise. Get published, get that contract, then think about qutting the day job.

But for you, your homework until you do it is to write something you actually show to your friends and family, and to agents and publishers.
 
 
Mazarine
21:13 / 10.07.03
About an hour into work every day, I start thinking "I wonder if I could make that chandelier fall on someone. Could I hang that person with a phone cord make it look like an accident? Can I strangle that guy with his own belt? Is that coat hanger sturdy enough to embed in someone's brainpan?"

I'm joking!! I'm totally joking... a heh.

Seriously though, I think the thing I hate most about my job is the person I am when I'm there. I'm irritable, I'm incredibly tense and short tempered. When I'm at work, I suck.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
21:22 / 10.07.03
Only if you open the skull first. And even then, unless you get the ends sharp, the membrane will protect the brain. The best you're likely to do is mush stuff through the bag the brain comes in.

Annoying.
 
 
sTe
22:37 / 10.07.03
Sounds like lots of bad days (weeks months etc.) at work all round - think I've always considered it a bit like giving up smoking in that one day it will be the right time to give up for good, I just can't see when that magical day will arrive.

Maybe the approach should be the same, and if I can get of the conditioning that this is something I need to do and makes me complete, then it will be easy to just go for it and give it all up for good.

- but there's always some excuse, It could be worse, the people are so nice, I can no longer associate with the not mixing with colleagues as they are all boring as hell mentality ever since I cut down on the (non)evil weed and bothered making pointless chat with my fellow workers and decided that all people have something, even if it's just an incomprehensible annoyingness.

So where does that leave me, I don't like my job, the people are ok really in different sometimes special ways, but I really hope there is more to 1/2 of my waking life than this! no money in anything i actually want to do, but i cannot presently give up my consumer based money fuelled lifestyle - or is this another one of those things i've just been brainwashed into needing and in reality i could just wonder into the desert for 40 nights and it would all be fine.

If we all lived without the traditional work concept and just did what we needed to do to live, would we have more free time, would we be more contented, would we create more meaningful things and live "better" lives?

well I’ve got lots of questions but as of yet no answers I can believe in, so back to the day to day drudgery for me tomorrow, still least its the weekend and I can get hammered and forget for a bit...
 
 
Jub
08:59 / 24.02.05
Bumpity Bump

So, how's it been for everyone?

sTe has summed up how I'm feeling at the mo. Really need to get out (or at least look forward to having an exit plan) - but don't particularly want to leave if it means going to somewhere worse....

I'd like to know if everyone's in the same position or if anyone has taken steps to find a more comfortable compromise. Need advice as I'm going slowly mad here.
 
 
Hattie's Kitchen
11:15 / 24.02.05
Welllll, I handed in my notice on Monday and will leave in three weeks, and it can't come too soon. This job wasn't something I chose, but was forced to beg for after quitting my last one and it was always meant to be a temporary stop-gap thing, and I've done it for nearly a year now. It's a news editing role, similar to my last one, but this place is such a joke that I really couldn't stick it any more. Crappy hours and pay, zero communication, spirit-crushing monotony and colleagues I wouldn't want to see outside of work at all - not a pleasant working experience.

I spent the last two months sending CVs out to all and sundry, and on Monday I was offered a job as a financial journalist - something I know I'll kick arse at and will find a hell of a lot more interesting than what I'm doing now. I'm feeling a lot more positive than I have done in a couple of years...
 
 
Fist Fun
13:39 / 24.02.05
Loving the bump. Was enjoyable to read that again.

The first three years after leaving uni were depressing workwise. Having to drag myself out of bed, commute, deal with constant, constant hassle being too tired to do much afterwards, not being paid that much. When you take into accounts loans, and parental help, and part-time jobs and discounts my first jobs gave me little more than being a student.

I totally agree with Xoc that one way to 'escape' is to climb the ladder.

I really like my job at the moment. It pays well. I feel like I acheive a lot. I get to travel the world.

I had to work hard to get it, and I do work hard to maintain it. I studied for qualifications in my spare time while working soul sapping jobs and I applied for about a million jobs. I switched to a four day week in my last soul sapping employment partly for sanity reasons, partly to work for something better.

I just applied for a job with a six figure salary which, I probably won't get, but I do have the qualifications and experience for.

So, just now, things are good...but I hope I don't have to go back to soul sapping anytime soon.
 
 
Chiropteran
14:42 / 24.02.05
I'm seriously considering ditching my job in publishing to become a mail-carrier. After three years in this place I think I can honestly say that I'd rather slog through rain and icy wind day after day (like I did for years when I didn't have a car and commuted on foot) than spend my days immobile, staring at a computer screen in a little beige cubical. Since I started this sedentary job I have gained weight, lost eyesight, and felt my sense of self-efficacy slowly erode under the harsh glare of defining deadlines. It was cool for a while to know that I had my name (and my picture, incidentally) in a major American dictionary, but I'm actually looking back fondly at my former job as a day-nursery janitor, if that tells you anything. This job has settled into something that will be interesting to have done, but it's not what I want to continue to do.

Thanks for listening, I'm off to lunch...

~L
 
 
Fist Fun
14:48 / 24.02.05
Lepi - are you a fan of Bukowski by any chance?
 
 
Bear
14:56 / 24.02.05
I'm much happier at the moment, been in a new job for about 2 months. Everything about it is better there's more responsibility and actual challenges, things you have to sit and think about and test and then get a nice little buzz when it works, the money is much better and it's to actually be able to buy things I want rather than think about buying things I want. The journey in the mooring is a big plus too, only about 15 minutes on the train rather than an hour on a bus.

Gimme a few more months and I might be back to complaining.
 
  

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