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New X-Men #141 - Spoilers, no doubt.

 
  

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Regrettable Juvenilia
17:58 / 26.05.03
I'm glad someone's mentioned Xavier's line to Xorn: "Sometimes even the best people will do terrible things to protect their secrets". Excuse me whilst I pick myself up off the floor after having been squished by the Anvil of Foreshadowing. I think that tells you a lot about where the Xorn storyline is going: he's not evil exactly, but he has a big secret, and he has done and/or will do some things which are at best horribly misguided. Note: I think this will be almost entirely disconnected from both Weapon Plus and whoever Esme is working for/with.

The other line I'm surprised hasn't been given much attention: "I'm going to dye my hair and scrawl my name across the world" says Esme. Now is it me, or is that soooo Quentin Quire? He dyed his hair, he carved his name across a guy's memory - plus his whole motivation was basically to make a name for himself, in a 'new world'. This is further spelt out for us by Esme walking past an Omega Gang logo just after she says that line. I'm starting to wonder whether Quentin, with his 'see-through' mind, wasn't just influencing people around him but also being influenced by something else (because I think it would be crap and unlikely if he was influencing Esme now from the 5th dimension or wherever). I think he picked up on whatever Esme was feeling and/or being influenced by while he was busy fixating on the Cuckoos... So yeah, I think there's been some kind of malign, unseen agency at work at Xavier's for a while, but I really don't think it's Weapon Plus either. Esme wouldn't be working for them - and remember, neither does Fantomex. He's specifically working against them, and he's an opportunist... I figure if that was Fantomex in the cabin (how tall is he?), then it works something like this: Esme is working with/for someone whose agenda is chaotic, mutant - their agenda is in conflict with that of Weapon Plus, who want order, control, and enslavement/extinction of mutants - so for one very specific moment it made sense for Fantomex to work with/for Esme's boss. Except that still doesn't explain just what Emma found out and why she had to be 'killed' in such a baroque and ultimately ineffectual manner.

Speaking of ineffectual... You have Xavier, Xorn, Bishop, Sage, Beak & Angel (plus spawn) in the cabin, and Xavier figures out it was Esme, right? And Bishop clealry figures out she'll be leaving, via the one apparent exit to the Mansion's grounds. And they all know she's a telepath, and what she can do, right? So why doesn't Chuck, the most powerful mind blah blah, or even Xorn who doesn't have a mind per se, accompany Bishop and Sage to intercept Esme? Because then she might not have been able to just fucking walk out of their... aiieee. Bad plotting, methinks.

Everyone's mentioned "sun in a box!", but what about "boyo" - is the baddie really Lieutenant Dudley Smith? And don't even get me started on "Make it oily!"...
 
 
Quireboy
18:25 / 26.05.03
I think that's exactly meant to be the point of Xavier's line about Xorn.

But re. why didn't Xavier or Xorn go to check on Esme - well Bishop undoubtedly thought he was immune to Esme's telepathic powers after the last issue. Perhaps the Cuckoos were just testing the exent of his resistance or it was a trick to lull him into a false sense of security. You're left wondering how powerful Esme is - I did pick up the similarity between her comment and Quentin's - is she another Omega?
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
18:43 / 26.05.03
I think Flyboy is probably on the right track with the Quentin Quire stuff - in addition to the Omega logo popping up in the scene with Esme, it also pops up right before Henry finds Emma's shattered body.

Re: Xorn

When I was cleaning things out a few weeks ago, I found an interview with Grant right as he was about to start NXM from an old issue of Wizard - he mentions that Xorn (referred to as The Man From Room X) was the first mutant, and that he has "the deadliest secret of them all."
 
 
Quireboy
18:52 / 26.05.03
Hmm, I think Xorn's character has changed somewhat from Morrison's manifesto though - I recall that suggested he would be a villain. Or is this a latter interview you're talking about?
 
 
The Falcon
01:44 / 27.05.03
No, I think in that interview he said the 'new' Angel and the aforementioned Man... would be joining the team.

'Boyo!' made me think, as it would, of Banshee's cod dialogue.
 
 
Mike-O
02:11 / 27.05.03
I doubt the off panel person who took out Sage was Fantomex, simply b/c the individual seemed to be wearing a t-shirt, so.... not very Fantomex like, no? Plus wtf would the bloody motive be? Seems to me he don't need to be takin' out X-Men to get his shit done. Especially without lethal force, for a guy who seems to abide by that at every possible venue. Regardless, I would venture to guess that it is an unknown person. Just an assumption, tho.
 
 
FinderWolf
14:33 / 27.05.03
Funny how in his recent Slush Factory interview (www.slushfactory.com) last week, Morrison said something like "I'm not interested in comics about the sex lives of superheroes." Isn't that what he's doing with Scott, Jean & Emma in this storyline, among other things?? I think maybe he meant comics where the sex lives of superheroes were the ONLY main plot....?

Also, I wonder whatever happened to Dust, the female Muslim mutant who wears a burka can turn into a dangerous gas??

Scott's 'mother of all nervous breakdowns' has officially begun......
 
 
adamswish
15:44 / 27.05.03
but he has a big secret, and he has done and/or will do some things which are at best horribly misguided.

At the start of the riot story Xorn mentions his time in prison to the "special" class. Are we so sure he was imprisoned because of his mutation? Maybe something bad happened once the star formed in his head. Can't imagine it's something you can just chase off with a couple of aspro clears and a lie down now.

So maybe that's the "big secret" he's carrying around with him. I don't know I can't shake off my impression of him from NXM #127.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
16:19 / 27.05.03
It's pretty clear in the narration of Xorn's first appearance that he was imprisoned because of the potential danger of his mutation, which definitely seems like something that would go down in post-revolution, Chairman Mao-led China.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
18:22 / 27.05.03
It's probably been said before, but Xorn is China; bluntly.

like the idea of this demon guy still being 'with' scott. I remember reading some dialogue between the jean and her six two stud and there was a real cheesy line about scott being possessed by an arabic sounding devil and I thought,

'cumon morrison lad, what's with the continuity shite?'.

I was surprised by the line. (his, not mine) It appeared awkward, in that I suspected it would never lead anywhere so why the fuck mention it?

It would fit with GM's meticulous approach to plot and healthy delight in signs and portents.
 
 
Quimper
18:52 / 27.05.03
All this talk of En Sabah Nur makes me realize just how much he's been mentioned in NXM. Maybe his return is on the horizon. In case it is, I think it's an interesting parallel that he was the self-appointed supreme darwinist...only the strong are fit to survive. Jean Grey seems to be on the spiritual side of the same track, suggesting that only the pure of heart are fit to survive...or at least not be turned to ash.
 
 
The Falcon
01:47 / 28.05.03
'cumon morrison lad, what's with the continuity shite?'.


I think he loves that shite though, if only to reference obliquely.
 
 
Nietzsch E. Coyote
02:31 / 28.05.03
Mr. Morrison seems to like playing with continuity. He just likes to break it after he is done with it.
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
04:45 / 28.05.03
Finally got my issue in the mail today and wanted to make a couple of points...only to see that Flyboy beat me to it. So I'm seconding the "anvil of foreshadowing" comment and the bit about QQ being controlled/coerced/somesuch.

Which leads to another tidbit. The scene that I would've really liked to have seen in this arc: Bishop interrogates Stuff. Where is that feisty little critter, anyway? I'd been thinking that it was curious that ze had not been referenced at all since the end of the Cassandra arc, but now that all of the Cuckoos' actions have to be called into question at this point, it seems kind of important to figure out what's going down with Cassandra/Stuff.

Since, you know, the Cuckoos were the ones who suggested the Cassandra/Stuff fusion in the first place...

Also, some hardcore parsing of Sage's mindshite at the beginning of the issue is in order, I think.
 
 
The Natural Way
08:26 / 28.05.03
I'd like to see what's going on with babyssandra, but not because I think it'll be anything shady.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
09:32 / 28.05.03
Skimmed through the whole arc last night and it suddenly occurred to me - I can't believe I didn't notice before - that arguably whoever it is in the woodshed was actually there to help the investigation into the murder, not hinder it. The person in question clearly wants to keep their own identity secret (hence wiping Sage's memory briefly), but crucially after drawing attention to the murder weapon, leaves it where it is very easy to find. They want the murder to be solved, I think...
 
 
Mike-O
10:18 / 28.05.03
TRUE
 
 
The Natural Way
11:35 / 28.05.03
I really like yr style, Fly. This thread's got me all over the place. I just don't know what to think. I'm still betting on the Hellfire Club (the whole thing has their Machiavellian, underhand ring to it), but only 10p.
 
 
Quireboy
11:36 / 28.05.03
Well THAT makes complete sense - now let the ridiculous speculation over who that might be and why commence...
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
12:54 / 28.05.03
I would guess that judging by the shape of the arm and the available facts, the person who Sages meets in that woodshed may be one of the unnamed Cuckoos. She knows what happened, is rebelling against Esme's dominance, wants to help but does not want to be held accountable for Esme's plans.

The Cassandra/Stuff thing is an interesting thing to point out, particularly when one considers that it was Esme who was making out with the Stuff boy, it was her first sign of inviduality that set her apart from the collective.
 
 
The Natural Way
13:14 / 28.05.03
That's true, but I think the whole point of Stuff is that he's completely malleable, physically and psychically. To all intents and purposes, he IS a baby Cassy now. I think it would defeat the point of the Nova storyline to reintroduce her as a villain (not to mention the fact that it would just be crap).

En Sabur Blah: I still think he's been firmly ejected from Scott's mind - I don't think it will be him. But I love the idea, so I hope I'm wrong.

Weapon X: They ARE after a new, improved humanity (I think), so it COULD be them.... But, again, I don't think so. You'd have to be a pretty stupid krunt to sign up with them. Oh....maybe.

Hellfire Club: I still say there's plenty of historical evidence that suggests it could be them (and, let's face it, perhaps this is the only REAL evidence we have). Esme's behaves and acts (the cab) exactly like a young Emma Frost. The Club like to play tug of war with the new recruits. And they love to piss Jean off......
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
14:43 / 28.05.03
Historical evidence might suggest, but I'd bet against the Hellfires if only because they have, as of yet, not appeared in Grant's story. I'm guessing it's someone(s) we've met since his run began.

And I, too, think it would be crap to have Cassandra behind it all. But I do think that it's possible that all is not what it would seem w/r/t Cassie/Stuff.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
15:13 / 28.05.03
Well, one thing to think about re: Cassandra/Stuff is that the first time the X-Men faced off against Cassandra, Emma suddenly (and somewhat inexplicably) has her Road To Demascus moment and heads back to the school just in time to break Cassandra's body's neck as soon as Charles is trapped in her body. Flash foward to #126, and it is Emma and the Cuckoos who come up with the plan to trap Cassandra in Stuff. If it is quite possible that Cassandra was controlling/influencing Emma's decisions in E Is For Extinction to suit her own ends, who is to say that she wasn't in Imperial, too?

Nevertheless, I don't get the impression that Cassandra will be coming back, at least not in Grant's run.
 
 
Quimper
17:44 / 28.05.03
Cassandra's purpose has been served. She was an agent of nature forcing change into stalemated systems. She's done.

Same should have been true for Bishop when he saved the team from Onslaught.

One thing that is getting to me about the close of the arc is Sage's comments when her brain retrieves what happened in the cabin. She says, "I can smell the pines...sweat and male pheromones."

Maybe GM was just using this as a method to discern the assailant as a male, but who would be giving off sex juice like that? It's bringing me back to Fantomex. I think he's trying to help.
 
 
The Natural Way
18:08 / 28.05.03
Could be..... Yeah.
 
 
Mr Tricks
20:44 / 28.05.03
Or Wolverine as the cabin was built during one of his Lost Winters...
 
 
kid entropy
00:57 / 29.05.03
is morrison's run finished at 150 or no?i noticed a mention of year 4 somewhere.anyone know the specifics?
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
01:03 / 29.05.03
Yes. Several months ago, Grant confirmed that he had written up through about 154, and there is currently no end in sight. It ends when it does - we're definitely getting a Year 4, and probably a Year 5 too.

The #150 thing was a rumor planted as part of a larger rumor about "Ultimatization" by Bill Jemas last summer. There is absolutely zero truth to any of it.
 
 
The Natural Way
09:28 / 29.05.03
Yeah, he mentions in a recent interview that he'll be continuing with the X-Men. Which is great. I'm so pleased Grant's doing another long-haul.
 
 
Rawk'n'Roll
12:21 / 29.05.03
"Trying to help"
Makes me think of Xorn. Xavier's words (seemingly directed at Xorn) are
"Sometimes even the best people will do terrible things to protect their secrets, mister Xorn"

Now if you remember Angel and Xorn's little secret, the killing of the U-men and also Angel's secret, her babies, then you have a neat tie up of a few sub-plots.

Xorn was helping Sage and Bishop expose the killer (Angel) but also the person who was controlling the killer (Esme).
It seems the sort of misguided action with good intentions that Xorn is capable of.
 
 
FinderWolf
17:23 / 29.05.03
>> Yes. Several months ago, Grant confirmed that he had written up through about 154, and there is currently no end in sight. It ends when it does - we're definitely getting a Year 4, and probably a Year 5 too.

JOY AND EXULTATION!! This makes me very, very happy.
 
 
ciarconn
11:09 / 01.06.03
what if Bishop and Sage were sent "intentionally" to stop Esme? What if Bishop and Sage lowered their psychic deffenses on purpose? It could be a part of an elaborated ruse, to let Esme go and lead them to whomever is manipulating her. Maybe even Sage managed to plant a virus in Esme's mind
 
 
perceval
11:56 / 02.06.03

Grant's confirmed as on the book at least through 2004.

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LDones
15:49 / 02.06.03
While we're on the topic, in a quick blurb on comicscontinuum, Marc Silvestri stated his arc on the book would begin in December with issue 151. He said the issue took place in the future, and specifically stated that there was a Sentinel in it.

We've got Assault on Weapon Plus taking us through 146, then we're into 'Planet X', I believe, which was formerly titled 'The World, the Devil, and the Flesh' - Is that planned for 5 issues? Anyone know if Phil's doing that one?

We know Fantomex has mentioned 'The World' as what is likely a part of the Weapon Plus program (specifically as the world in the simulation' though he does mention it elsewher), and Esme also (coincidentally or otherwise) mentions a 'new world' to come. Just tying some threads together before 142 hits shelves. Perhaps this new world is an expansion of the Weapon Plus simulation, maybe as a kick-starter for the human extinction gene (though for what purpose, I've no idea - it sounds kind of Apocalypso to me) - it's also likely that the different mentions of 'alternate' worlds are just analogues for a greater theme.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
20:13 / 02.06.03
I seem to be alone in feeling disappointed with this comic. I'm not entirely sure *why* I'm not bowled over by it, either, which makes this post a little pointless. Hmm...

The entire 'Murder at Xavier's' storyline reads like filler now that Emma's been brought back to life. The second issue was just poor generally - a gimmick issue that went nowhere and had no substance to it. Bishop and Sage - why? I thought one of Morrison's big ideas for XMen was making it approachable for those with no interest in huge amounts of series continuity or buying all the titles?

I'm really not a fan of the way that he's following the trad Marvel line of building up to a Big Bad with ominous signs (Esme's parting comments could have come from any villian leading up to the Onslaught mess). Following on from that last complaint, the Big Bad in question can't be Mr Sinister and I doubt it's the Hellfire Club - again, if the comic's supposed to be opened up for new readers he's either going to have to go with someone we've already been made aware of *in his run*, or he'll be spending a few months renventing these older baddies.

And the art? There's nothing like a gratuitous tit-shot for keeping your core readership loyal.
 
  

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